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jtuck004

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95. I didn't say I was giving up <G>. But there's too much magical thinking,
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 02:28 PM
Dec 2013

too little recognizing what is doing it's best to slap us in the face.

I lived through all that, so when I say this is different from the 60's - early 70's, I mean in a really harsh and dangerous way. Back then our parents and grandparents were working, women were increasing their numbers in the workforce which would give us one of our last great economic pushes, people had money in retirement, changes to social programs were helping curb poverty, people were marching against the war, racism, authoritarianism, and sometimes just because they liked the boy or girl they just met (well, ok, that last one hasn't changed). Homes were being bought, paid off, sold, and a lot of people had enough money in the bank when they retired to live for a couple of decades. The economy was mostly healthy, people still had extra money to spend on "things", and we had not yet entered the period in which most of our assets had been sold off and the country put into servitude to the wealthy. We could go to, and create, food kitchens, because there was such a largess of things to choose from, and, unlike today, they were always stocked and full. People had unemployment, schools were relatively cheap, etc. There was an economy which allowed for all that, but more important people were emboldened by the fact that they COULD go experiment with things such as new architecture, forms of business, drugs, whatever, and there would still be at least a place they could get in out of the rain and eat.

This is not that world.

Now everyone is up to their ears in debt, and government policies are such that it is encouraging us to take out more so we will be even more beholden to the the financiers. People are scared, frightened, not like they were back then. We are dragging children off to jail from their classrooms, and mostly non-violent protests are being met with harsh measures from a far more militaristic police force.

The assets we lived on back then are gone, the majority of people, if they are working, are mostly just managing to make enough to insure that interest is paid to the wealthy, and tens of millions of those outside of the 50 million who live in poverty have nothing in the bank, and it's even a question as to whether they will even have enough Social Security to eat on, much less keep them out of poverty.

And people are SURE it's going to get better. It must, because it used to be better, right? What utter bullshit. It's magical thinking. They might as well be praying to the spaghetti monster to save them.

The wealthy have taught themselves finance, they go after assets to own, they operate them for their own benefit. They have been allowed to put a pridcfe on EVERYTHING. We have even cut off access to learning for many people in the ways that built this country, and both political parties are helping the wealthy in their quest. The response from most of the rest of the country is to watch more cable tv.

We need to be not only recognizing that there is a problem, but finding ways to educate and train ourselves, gain assets, find ways to live without debt and without helping the wealthy in their quest of living from the servitude of everyone else.

But as yet I see too little in the way of a plan to do so. I haven't given up, but when the car is out of control on the ice and you are sliding to your doom, and you are still turning the wheels the way the back end is swinging so you can regain control, you may, at some point, realize that, although you still have hope, you still haven't given up, you are still trying, that despite your best efforts you are going to crash and burn, and there is nothing you can do about it.

But you keep steering, foot off the gas...

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well, goodness, we cannot have the average serf thinking s/he actually has the ability and the RIGHT niyad Dec 2013 #1
Yes, I can imagine it ! SamKnause Dec 2013 #2
It would be a second civil War warrant46 Dec 2013 #4
Reply SamKnause Dec 2013 #5
I live in an area that is 70% Repuke and 20% Libertarian and 10% left of center warrant46 Dec 2013 #6
Reply SamKnause Dec 2013 #7
God, Guns and Gays and people whose skin is darker than a paper bag warrant46 Dec 2013 #9
Reply SamKnause Dec 2013 #12
You too !! warrant46 Dec 2013 #24
How true. heaven05 Dec 2013 #15
What does African American self separation have to do with this? FrodosPet Dec 2013 #55
When I was in school tblue Dec 2013 #71
I feel for you... Rockyj Dec 2013 #68
Cold Civil War in progress PeoViejo Dec 2013 #17
Actually, it would be a Second American Revolution. and that's what we need right now!!!!! LongTomH Dec 2013 #20
And they bundled up the Loyalists and sent them to St John NB warrant46 Dec 2013 #28
It's worse than that. lark Dec 2013 #34
Reply SamKnause Dec 2013 #42
Actually both (D) and (R) platforms endorse the TPP solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #47
Oughta call it the Trans-Party Partnership. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #57
In the meantime most citizens have never even heard of the TPP. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #78
Population of Iceland: 320K struggle4progress Dec 2013 #3
Our original revolution zipplewrath Dec 2013 #14
and the 1776 revolution didn't come from a people totally united solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #48
Not to mention ... frazzled Dec 2013 #18
Not much Ethnic Diversity in Iceland PeoViejo Dec 2013 #19
What does that have to do with the US media ignoring what's happened and is happening there? Fumesucker Dec 2013 #30
IKR? Rex Dec 2013 #35
+320 million n/t solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #51
Because covering Iceland would be the same as covering any medium-small American bluestate10 Dec 2013 #54
Atually, I remember Iceland getting a lot of international coverage when Marr Dec 2013 #64
I dunno. When is the last time one of those cities quakerboy Dec 2013 #103
+ A shit load! nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #79
Amazing. oldandhappy Dec 2013 #8
Wow. Treant Dec 2013 #10
You don't want to give people ''ideas.'' Octafish Dec 2013 #11
It was supposed to be a Republic PeoViejo Dec 2013 #23
True. We need a Constitution for a Republic. Octafish Dec 2013 #25
It was intended to be a Republic with a great deal of Democracy LongTomH Dec 2013 #27
in all fairness Dustin DeWinde Dec 2013 #38
All we have is the election process and 2 shitty political parties. heaven05 Dec 2013 #13
Many did take to the streets solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #52
Not enough took it to the streets heaven05 Dec 2013 #93
Occupy was a start in that direction mindwalker_i Dec 2013 #16
we ALL need to stop being a bunch of wimps and unite solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #53
I have an answer albino65 Dec 2013 #21
Where do I sign. I've been wanting the House to be dissolved by national referendum or decree ancianita Dec 2013 #96
Sign my petition albino65 Dec 2013 #101
Couldn't find it in either site. Scrolled through 71 petitions on the first; not there. The URL ancianita Dec 2013 #102
the whole thing albino65 Dec 2013 #104
Thanks, but there's an order to using it. It has to be c/p after you click "sign a petition." ancianita Dec 2013 #105
I wish albino65 Dec 2013 #106
Not a problem.Glad to contribute in some small way.I used notehand "copy/paste." Sorry to confuse. ancianita Dec 2013 #107
Not whining albino65 Dec 2013 #108
Oh yeah! You're new! Welcome! I've been here for a few years, but there can be some touchy, ancianita Dec 2013 #109
DU Rec Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #22
If this happened in front of the White House... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #26
Ain't it the truth! n/t truedelphi Dec 2013 #46
Yep. It may as well be a US antiwar protest for all the coverage Corporate States of America valerief Dec 2013 #29
Unfortunately, that constitution has not yet been adopted in Iceland. pampango Dec 2013 #31
Thank you - and, as that points out, the parties in charge during the crash got voted back in muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #76
We overthrow Governments all the time...we call them elections. brooklynite Dec 2013 #32
good poinrs Dustin DeWinde Dec 2013 #40
It really doesn't matter if the media reports except in national votes. The states are being changed freshwest Dec 2013 #45
Do you think the events in Iceland are unworthy of notice? Fumesucker Dec 2013 #41
I think the MSM doesn't care about Iceland because the public doesn't care about Iceland... brooklynite Dec 2013 #44
The public doesn't care about Iceland because they haven't heard about Iceland in the media. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #82
It's not as if the OP has correctly informed anyone about the situation muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #77
Which means it was not a true revolution treestar Dec 2013 #49
HUMONGOUS K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #33
Not sure what you are celebrating, but cheers anyhow! FrodosPet Dec 2013 #80
Kick. We need to rejuvenate OWS and associated populist Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #36
Well you cannot expect the U.S. Corporate Media to bite the hand Rex Dec 2013 #37
Excellent points. solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #56
This story has been circulated for years. ProSense Dec 2013 #39
Thanks for that treestar Dec 2013 #50
The TPP has been "worked" on for years solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #59
Not sure what point you're making relevant to my comment. ProSense Dec 2013 #60
Wouldn't it have been great if Chris Matthews solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #90
Green for victory!!... SidDithers Dec 2013 #87
^^Icelandic Bankers Sentenced to Prison for Market Abuse WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2013 #97
This is incredibly infuriating... Bold censorship laid bare for all (all who ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #43
"Make No Mistake... only by subsidizing outrageous banker bonuses ..." MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #58
There are benefits to being a small country. gtar100 Dec 2013 #61
Will we invade and overthrow? upi402 Dec 2013 #62
Nope. Warm stuff. FrodosPet Dec 2013 #66
, blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #63
Our Congress Dan Dec 2013 #65
the corpo-crabs are too frightened of this news reaching millions here fascisthunter Dec 2013 #67
They'd much rather compare us to Italy and Greece Martin Eden Dec 2013 #69
They may overtake us as the 'Greatest Country in the World'™ tblue Dec 2013 #70
K&R DeSwiss Dec 2013 #72
The 2-Hour economic documentary, "Icelandic Miracle"... nikto Dec 2013 #73
If Iceland gets hit with a 9-point earthquale and tsunami... nikto Dec 2013 #74
Put it on TV. Go ahead, I dare you. Hell, I double-dog dare you. Put it on instead of jtuck004 Dec 2013 #75
I don't think the pain level in the US.. sendero Dec 2013 #81
Buncha people beatin drums in the street and whining about how things are ain't gonna cut it. jtuck004 Dec 2013 #86
I don't disagree.. sendero Dec 2013 #88
Excellent excellent post solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #89
Rome fell from corruption. Internal decay. The rich being morally bankrupt and decadent heaven05 Dec 2013 #94
I didn't say I was giving up <G>. But there's too much magical thinking, jtuck004 Dec 2013 #95
well, I get you heaven05 Dec 2013 #98
I mean, there's a chance we might hit a dry spot and regain control, but that storm jtuck004 Dec 2013 #100
B...b...but they prevented a global-economic meltdown! KansDem Dec 2013 #83
They saved the world like the priest who saved the little boy by giving him communion valerief Dec 2013 #85
+1 accurate indeed solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #91
I really want this to be true.. Notafraidtoo Dec 2013 #84
One of the reasons that the system is so successful is that unplugging from it is very Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #99
BRAVO Icelanders!!! liberalla Dec 2013 #92
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