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WinstonSmith4740

(3,436 posts)
36. Depends upon the state.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 10:50 PM
Dec 2013

I'm not trying to insinuate that your daughter is in any way, shape, or form not qualified to teach, or that she doesn't care about her students or school. Hell, I work at what can be a fairly tough high school in Las Vegas, but I wouldn't go anywhere else for love or money. I love those kids like they were my own...it's a place that I feel I can really make a difference in young lives and minds, and I'm sure your daughter feels the same way about her students. Nobody goes into teaching to get wealthy or powerful...you've got to love the job.

But not all states demand a teaching degree for their charter schools. Some will accept work experience or a degree in something besides teaching if the degree is in the course to be taught. I'm sure your daughter will agree that teaching is not something just anyone can do because they happen to know a lot about a particular subject.

And then there's this:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/class-struggle/post/surprise-dc-admits-school-test-tampering-at-meridian-public-charter/2013/04/25/818ccb2e-ad66-11e2-a8b9-2a63d75b5459_blog.html

There's no doubt that this occurs in public schools, too, although with the controls we have in place, it's has to be tough to pull off. No Child Left Behind (or as some of us put it, No Child's Behind Left!) pretty much set the stage for this kind of cheating. You can not take a "cookie cutter" approach to education. It simply won't work. Some of our learning disabled kids have to take those damn proficiency tests, and the frustration level it causes these kids is off the scale, as well as pulling our overall test results down, which in turn, affects our funding. My school almost got "reconstituted" this year, even though our graduation rates and overall GPA's went UP, because we didn't make enough "annual yearly progress" according to some damn bureaucrat who never spent a minute in front of a classroom. And you try looking into a crying kid's eyes because they're not going to be able to "walk" at graduation, even though they passed all their courses and had all the necessary credits, but didn't pass one of the proficiency tests. NCLB has completely pounded the creativity out of the classroom, because when EVERYTHING is riding on those results, you teach to the test. Nothing else is taken into consideration, not the level of poverty in the community (it's tough for hungry kids to learn), classroom size (mine average 38), or available resources.

Do teachers need to be competent & highly qualified? Of course we do...we're helping to form the next generation. Our new teachers are observed a minimum of 9 times during the school year, and it isn't just an administrator poking their heads in a classroom for a few seconds to make sure the kids aren't burning the classroom down. These are hardcore, period-long observations with a three page evaluation afterward...and you better not have forgotten to put things like your daily objectives on the board, or be doing something besides what your submitted lesson plan said you'd be doing. My colleague has been at our school for almost 30 years and she still goes through this evaluation 3 times a year, along with many more less rigorous ones. And trust me, 37 of my 38 students in any given class can be fully engaged, but I guarantee I'll hear about the one who's daydreaming.

Teaching is an art, with some better at it than others. But I learned more about teaching during my practicum and student teaching experience than I ever did in any classroom while in college, and that's the kind of stuff you don't get without a teaching degree.

Peace.

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YES!!!!! hollysmom Dec 2013 #1
Damn right BrotherIvan Dec 2013 #2
Actually... Veilex Dec 2013 #10
Bottom line is they are NOT "public schools" duffyduff Dec 2013 #11
Explaining the facts to you is not "making excuses." cleanhippie Dec 2013 #17
I appreciate your explanation, unlike the other poster. However, I would be very surprised rhett o rick Dec 2013 #21
Paying is often not necessary, but your observation about behavior problems is accurate. Also Squinch Dec 2013 #25
I hope those who are far more expert than I will chime in here BrotherIvan Dec 2013 #23
You summed this scam perfectly. Thanks on point Dec 2013 #29
This is worthy of it's own post. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #50
Well said and thank you. This IS the "Charter School" truth in my experience and research. mountain grammy Dec 2013 #52
Thanks to all who replied to my rather long post BrotherIvan Dec 2013 #57
Where do these current Charter Schools exist LeftOfWest Dec 2013 #28
Actually, I was mistaken there... Veilex Dec 2013 #56
Charter schools don't already exist in WA. They were voted in through a recent initiative El_Johns Dec 2013 #33
They'll try to change . . . aggiesal Dec 2013 #13
Yes allnews Dec 2013 #3
Agreed! Phlem Dec 2013 #4
I wish. kcr Dec 2013 #14
I agree, also….and Welcome to DU.. Tikki Dec 2013 #20
Kick grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #5
I agree with the judge in that case. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #6
Good. El_Johns Dec 2013 #7
Wow! Thanks for posting that. madfloridian Dec 2013 #8
K&R Grey Dec 2013 #9
Most charter schools are scams. jsr Dec 2013 #12
Wouldn't it be wonderful DamnYankeeInHouston Dec 2013 #15
Good ruling. Of course there will be an appeal. n/t JimDandy Dec 2013 #16
I'm a public school teacher. WinstonSmith4740 Dec 2013 #18
What do you mean that teachers don't need teaching degrees RebelOne Dec 2013 #34
Depends upon the state. WinstonSmith4740 Dec 2013 #36
After hearing the stories of my daughter's teaching experience RebelOne Dec 2013 #40
Whoa! Middle school? WinstonSmith4740 Dec 2013 #42
If your daughter teaches her whole career at that charter school... nikto Dec 2013 #44
Yeah! immoderate Dec 2013 #19
Fabulous news. Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #22
BOOM!! nikto Dec 2013 #45
Now, export this concept to all fifty states and start funding public schools properly! nt MADem Dec 2013 #24
Recommended and kicked a shit load...................nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #26
Let's see what happens on appeal. n/t malthaussen Dec 2013 #27
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #30
The actual ruling: diddlysquat Dec 2013 #31
Happy to be the 100th Rec! nt. druidity33 Dec 2013 #32
When will voters come to our senses? Generic Other Dec 2013 #35
Any good Constitutional lawyer knows this. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #37
Finally... a ray of light ReRe Dec 2013 #38
I recced this earlier on. madfloridian Dec 2013 #39
Yeah, that was it. I scanned through the rec's but didn't see your name. n/t ReRe Dec 2013 #41
All straight now. madfloridian Dec 2013 #43
This is wonderful news!! A big THANK YOU to Judge Rietschel!! hue Dec 2013 #46
k&r idwiyo Dec 2013 #47
It's about damned time! CrispyQ Dec 2013 #48
I have no problem with Charter Schools, bvar22 Dec 2013 #49
The schools weren't ruled unconstitutional frazzled Dec 2013 #51
This sure is a way to massage the message... VPStoltz Dec 2013 #54
Hey, that's the AG's word, not mine frazzled Dec 2013 #55
my daughter attends a charter school Chakaconcarne Dec 2013 #53
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