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kpete

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Sat Dec 14, 2013, 10:19 AM Dec 2013

Dear Pres. Obama: Dissent isn’t Possible in a Surveillance State (By Juan Cole) [View all]

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Dear Pres. Obama: Dissent isn’t Possible in a Surveillance State
By Juan Cole | Dec. 11, 2013 |

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In his stirring eulogy of Nelson Mandela, South Africa’s first president to be legitimately elected, by the entire South Africa people, President Barack Obama said,

“There are too many of us who happily embrace Madiba’s legacy of racial reconciliation, but passionately resist even modest reforms that would challenge chronic poverty and growing inequality.

There are too many leaders who claim solidarity with Madiba’s struggle for freedom, but do not tolerate dissent from their own people. And there are too many of us who stand on the sidelines, comfortable in complacency or cynicism when our voices must be heard.



I am not an armchair politician who holds the real ones in contempt. Politics is hard. Most of us don’t have the patience or the stamina for it. Hammering out a compromise among persons with strong egos and entrenched ideologies is a talent and a skill that I admire. Those puritans who demand consistency and decry hypocrisy, who scoff at bargaining, may admire their own unsullied characters alone in their rooms, but they will never actually accomplish anything good for people. Barack Obama has the patience of a Job, in the face of an opposition party that has declared itself not a loyal opposition but a deadly enemy.

So it is not lightly or glibly that I use the occasion of Obama’s heartfelt speech to upbraid him. But the contradictions in his sentiments and his actions here are too extreme, too glaring to pass without rebuke.

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The kind of information being gathered without a warrant not only by the National Security Administration but by a wide range of law enforcement and intelligence agencies has the potential for making dissent impossible. Most effective protest of the sort Mr. Obama praised in his speech is illegal. Often, the laws themselves are wrong, as with the latticework of Jim Crow legislation that subjected African-Americans or the enactments of the South African parliament in the Apartheid era. Breaking wrong laws is key to much of the social progress the world has made in the past century. Gandhi, whom Obama cited, formulated a policy of nonviolent noncooperation, which involves law-breaking. The government’s aspiration to total information awareness about all human beings will be deadly to conspiring to break the law or carrying it out.

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http://www.juancole.com/2013/12/dissent-possible-surveillance.html
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k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #1
Dear Juan: Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #2
K&R woo me with science Dec 2013 #3
I just can not figure this president out... pangaia Dec 2013 #4
But we don't live in a police state.. sendero Dec 2013 #5
I agree with the above posters. zeemike Dec 2013 #6
He is POTUS! He has the Bully Pulpit! Dustlawyer Dec 2013 #16
Perhaps he just wants to live. zeemike Dec 2013 #32
You could be right. I would say trillions though. Dustlawyer Dec 2013 #45
We need someone who puts people first. tblue Dec 2013 #49
You have described dotymed Dec 2013 #52
^^ this ^^ TBF Dec 2013 #51
Secret Police. Secret Courts. Secret Government. Octafish Dec 2013 #7
Really? Because the NSA retains copies of telecom data, dissent is impossible? randome Dec 2013 #8
Does it really stop there? colorado_ufo Dec 2013 #10
We don't. We can only go by what we know so far. randome Dec 2013 #19
it provides way too much leverage to executives that won't be as saintly as Obama nashville_brook Dec 2013 #37
Yes. Because the NSA retains copies of the telecom data, dissent is impossible. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #20
Nervous about what? randome Dec 2013 #22
Some dissenters will be easily cowed and some may not, it's a numbers game. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #25
well said kpete Dec 2013 #30
The NSA has all the data on your communications and can link them to the communications JDPriestly Dec 2013 #26
Copying the telecom's records makes some sense to me. randome Dec 2013 #27
Getting a warrant is quite easy. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #36
What you say..... Blus4u Dec 2013 #29
Lol! I chuckle everytime you trot out Bernstein. As tho his evaluation outweighs Gore, Kerry riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #28
The NSA is nothing compared to plain old journalism treestar Dec 2013 #56
And the courts disproportionately punish activists. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #31
Once again you come to the defense of the authoritarian state. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #38
There's plenty of dissent right here treestar Dec 2013 #55
K&R for wider exposure. bvar22 Dec 2013 #9
nice post bvar! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2013 #11
Great find, kpete, thanks! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2013 #12
This amounts to a huge ProSense Dec 2013 #13
I think that is part of Obama's problem in dealing with this overly zealous security apparatus JDPriestly Dec 2013 #23
I think your assumptions are off. Criticism of the surveillance state is a criticism of the rhett o rick Dec 2013 #39
Wait, ProSense Dec 2013 #41
We havent lost all dissent yet. But Occupy proved that those in Power will go to rhett o rick Dec 2013 #42
What ProSense Dec 2013 #43
Let me try a different approach. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #44
The comment ProSense Dec 2013 #46
Good grief. You have no argument here. You want to claim you are only pointing out what you rhett o rick Dec 2013 #47
I made no friggin "assumption." ProSense Dec 2013 #48
The idea that dissent is suppressed is so absolutely hilarious treestar Dec 2013 #57
K&R!! G_j Dec 2013 #14
"potential for making dissent impossible" gulliver Dec 2013 #15
LOL. And your point is what?? nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #40
The irony in the comments on this OP dissenting with policy while claiming they cant is unbelievable stevenleser Dec 2013 #54
Brilliant commentary on the NSA spying. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #17
It's really not a problem. If you don't say anything against the regime, you're safe. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #18
As we know in Madison, POLITICAL CONTROL OF POLICE is an essential element HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #21
This is a must read. jsr Dec 2013 #24
Our government HAS abused the power that comes with information, & WILL CONTINUE snot Dec 2013 #33
The intent is not to keep "us" safe. tblue Dec 2013 #50
Thank you Juan Cole..perfectly stated. K&R Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #34
I'm reccing this for Big Brother BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #35
We all know how expensive "talk" is. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #53
Quite clearly, Mr Obama has already chosen... 99Forever Dec 2013 #58
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