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ronnie624

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94. That is such a strange thing to say.

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 02:42 PM

Dec 2013

It is completely at odds with historical documentation.

The truth of the matter is, it's the national security apparatus that is responsible for death and suffering. It simply is not possible to quantify the damage done in the world by the US government, in the name of national security. From the toppling of democracy in Iran and Guatemala, to the proxy wars in Afghanistan and central America, to the secret bombings of Laos and Cambodia, to conspiring to invade Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan -- all rationalized as important to national security -- it is the implementation of US foreign policy, that has left a river blood in its wake, which is the very nature of what whistle-blowing is supposed to reveal.

You can't point to a single victim of Edward Snowden. Claims that he has killed anyone, are hyperbolic and illogical in the extreme. It is truly fascinating that someone can concoct such a bizzaro-world reality from the available facts.

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Thank You Edward Snowden, They Are Now On Their Knees, Begging...Well Done. [View all] WillyT Dec 2013 OP

CBS?? Ugh. grasswire Dec 2013 #1

sunlight is the ONLY real disinfectant.... mike_c Dec 2013 #2

Yup ... they're blinking 1000words Dec 2013 #3

Would amnesty be the least untruthful thing he's offered? MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #4

If he accepts amnesty and comes back, he best stay away from small planes and cars. nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #8

If he accepts amnesty and comes back, he can expect a long prison sentence or worse. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #17

But they could save a little face if they embraced him and then he could be disappeared. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #35

+1000 AAO Dec 2013 #36

Oh, I expect they'd offer him a very nice salary and a job as an Marr Dec 2013 #78

All they would have to do Utopian Leftist Dec 2013 #104

"The government does not have to keep a contract..." Pholus Dec 2013 #57

Are you making a statement or trying to make an argument by Just Asking Questions? nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #66

And are those felonies prosecuted equally? Savannahmann Dec 2013 #70

Yeah. Pholus Dec 2013 #76

Absolutely correct Dan Dec 2013 #119

Thanks Eddie, you want to come back to Progressive dog Dec 2013 #5

Maybe if they force him to marry the fiance he abandoned. randome Dec 2013 #7

What's the matter? Are you afraid if he comes back he may expose your idols rhett o rick Dec 2013 #13

I have no love for Clapper or Alexander. I have never expressed any. randome Dec 2013 #15

Yet you defend the NSA at every turn. neverforget Dec 2013 #20

I wouldn't even characterize it as 'defending' the NSA. randome Dec 2013 #23

Lol! you lost it with "but" neverforget Dec 2013 #24

Your position contains a glaring internal contradiction. bvar22 Dec 2013 #60

Not sure if 'thanks' are due him any more than one thanks a hacker for stealing credit card #s. randome Dec 2013 #63

I'll thank anyone who exposes governmental crimes erronis Dec 2013 #113

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #156

" But pointing out that Snowden is an idiot who bamboozled his co-workers" Titonwan Dec 2013 #108

Everyone else does. nt DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #147

+10 (nt) reACTIONary Dec 2013 #115

MANY people allowed Snowden access to classified data. randome Dec 2013 #22

What Snowden was trying to tell everyone, including YOU, is that thousands of employees at loudsue Dec 2013 #30

LOL. Your hatred knows no bounds. You want to think he is hapless and yet he fooled rhett o rick Dec 2013 #34

He's an idiot-- who bamboozled our smart, competent intelligence officials! Marr Dec 2013 #84

Well since you put it that way! nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #91

Well, it looks like you finally realized it would be better to stop digging, bvar22 Dec 2013 #110

Huh? But I thought he "Didn't Tell Us Anything New�". Marr Dec 2013 #80

Apparently you have never seen sarcasm before, Progressive dog Dec 2013 #95

Wow, how many DUers said he did nothing important? Ripped him daily? n-t Logical Dec 2013 #6

LoLOLOLO!!! Where are they...what a pompous crowd they were too. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #11

It made NOSense! :-) Logical Dec 2013 #14

Got a link? 1000words Dec 2013 #25

Blue ones, please! MNBrewer Dec 2013 #65

Here's one: ProSense Dec 2013 #73

LOL, doubling down, as expected. The story of the year and you fought it hourly for weeks! n-t Logical Dec 2013 #77

This reminds me ProSense Dec 2013 #82

You lost on this. Admit Snowden exposed something that needed exposed. n-t Logical Dec 2013 #101

Amy Goodman Puglover Dec 2013 #140

:) Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #32

Heh Bobbie Jo Dec 2013 #99

Hey Bobbie Jo Puglover Dec 2013 #141

Hey....Back Atcha. Bobbie Jo Dec 2013 #149

+1 L0oniX Dec 2013 #142

I'll STILL rip him, SnowGlen fans giving space to him but NOT to others is the hypocrisy and... uponit7771 Dec 2013 #43

I guess you'll have to explain your analogy... Pholus Dec 2013 #58

What "old lady" got run over? Gen Clapper? rhett o rick Dec 2013 #69

Like I want banksters put in jail I want the curtain pulled back but in the right way. ... uponit7771 Dec 2013 #122

Oh bull crap. You think you can fool anyone with that "I want the curtain pulled back rhett o rick Dec 2013 #132

You must be part of the NSA to know so much about me!!!!! uponit7771 Dec 2013 #133

No you are very transparent. nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #135

Yeah yeah the leaks are putting people's lives in danger. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #123

Der Spiegel: Snowden Released Information That Could �Endanger the Lives of NSA Workers� Read more a uponit7771 Dec 2013 #124

Yeah, and that information didn't get published. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #125

You forgot the ... by Der Speigel part... you know.. cause he handed shit to China's media uponit7771 Dec 2013 #126

Where do you think those responsible journalists keep those documents? randome Dec 2013 #130

So let me see if I follow your rational. Because Snowden's release of data COULD endanger rhett o rick Dec 2013 #139

No, we should not.. just Snowden could go the slow CORRECT way instead of being a jerk with it NEED uponit7771 Dec 2013 #154

The slow correct way doesnt work. It sounds proper. You either support whistle-blowers or you rhett o rick Dec 2013 #155

There's more fallacies to your argument Titonwan Dec 2013 #160

What if Titonwan Dec 2013 #157

It's hard to just let people suffer or die at Snowden's hands... gulliver Dec 2013 #9

Please list any of the people who have suffered or died at Snowden's hands. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #16

der spiegel said they would have had a list. uponit7771 Dec 2013 #44

He's a regular Ted Bundy, I tells ya. Fuddnik Dec 2013 #109

What a bunch of crap. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #19

That is such a strange thing to say. ronnie624 Dec 2013 #94

Ok, I'll bite. gulliver Dec 2013 #98

It's the US national security state that causes the real suffering. ronnie624 Dec 2013 #136

We must protect the authoritarian state at all costs, even liberty. We must smite all rhett o rick Dec 2013 #148

A deal? That's nothing to celebrate Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #10

It's a 'filler' article. No basis in reality. randome Dec 2013 #12

I think it's just a ploy to see how Snowden would react... Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #18

Precisely. Forget any type of deal, just keep spilling the information. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #21

Not amnesty--a federal plea deal. The DOJ would grant a plea deal as Eddie as a co-operating witness msanthrope Dec 2013 #54

"They Are Now On Their Knees, Begging...Well Done"? blue neen Dec 2013 #26

It should have endangered the lives of the whole washington cabal. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #27

Excuse me? blue neen Dec 2013 #29

I think that he and Greenwald were extremely careful with the information they published. Th1onein Dec 2013 #112

I'm not really sure whose post you read. blue neen Dec 2013 #129

I responded to your post. Here, I'll quote it for you: Th1onein Dec 2013 #138

That's what terrifies me - how much Americans will take without doing anything... polichick Dec 2013 #50

Please post a link to a reliable source that proves Snowden leaked classified information to sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #41

der spiegel.... posted 2 billion times already uponit7771 Dec 2013 #45

I've never seen it. Please post that. Thanks. nt riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #48

Here. randome Dec 2013 #81

Nope. Those articles explicitly state the info was given to journalists and no lives are in jeopardy riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #107

Yeap, here yah go: Der Spiegel: Snowden Released Information That Could �Endanger the Lives of NSA" uponit7771 Dec 2013 #120

Der Spiegel is a foreign government??? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #93

Do you seriously believe "foreign governments" aren't on the internet? jmowreader Dec 2013 #114

+1, I didn't think about that simple fact in all of this; if It was terrorist and even had a hint of uponit7771 Dec 2013 #121

They apparently already have; I've read reports that intercept of terror targets has almost vanished jmowreader Dec 2013 #137

So he didn't leak information to a Foreign Government, as you claimed. He leaked information that sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #161

Where have all the "old news" posters gone? WowSeriously Dec 2013 #28

Probably didn't get the new talking points yet. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #40

Indeed, the talking point mill seems to have broken down somewhat. WowSeriously Dec 2013 #46

Paid shill trolls checks bounced. L0oniX Dec 2013 #143

I thinkthey've realised that the Internet doesn't work as an official propaganda machine. sibelian Dec 2013 #47

Waiting on the "new" news? ProSense Dec 2013 #74

If he released "old news", why do you care? /nt Marr Dec 2013 #85

I still can't get over the fact that they led with a Powerpoint slide in June. randome Dec 2013 #86

Perhaps that is true. I am looking forward to the next layer of transparency to be pealed back. WowSeriously Dec 2013 #131

It doesn't make any sense to return the documents..... DeSwiss Dec 2013 #31

On the flip side davidpdx Dec 2013 #38

Saw this on the evening news last night, Gen. Alexander sounds like... countryjake Dec 2013 #33

Alexander is a real piece of work. Which is why he has the job he does. These jobs don't go to msanthrope Dec 2013 #56

He should tell the bastards to piss off and then release more documents. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #37

They've shown their hand already where Whistle Blowers are concerned. He would never be safe. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #39

They're at least wincing uponit7771 Dec 2013 #42

du rec. xchrom Dec 2013 #49

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #51

He should stipulate that he will not release any more info, provided that Zorra Dec 2013 #52

Snowden is a hero Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #53

This might be the funniest thread you've ever posted. You rejoicing over a federal plea deal where msanthrope Dec 2013 #55

Seems like fantasy: ProSense Dec 2013 #64

I found the OP's faith in Ledgett's credibility touching. I see the 'good cop/bad cop' msanthrope Dec 2013 #92

+1,000 --"Situational allegiance" is a funny thing, ain't it? nt MADem Dec 2013 #97

Am I the only one wondering what the F*CK all of this has been for? What this has all been about? Number23 Dec 2013 #117

You nailed it. Think about ProSense Dec 2013 #146

YES!!! Number23 Dec 2013 #152

It makes for good TV I guess TNLib Dec 2013 #151

We now have a new working definition of "on their knees". grantcart Dec 2013 #103

So where is this going? Pholus Dec 2013 #59

Well Done. bvar22 Dec 2013 #61

K&R Excelent post. idwiyo Dec 2013 #62

Yeah, it has been evident that Snowden/Greenwald Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #71

*If* that is the case...the gameplan is sound. Pholus Dec 2013 #83

k/r marmar Dec 2013 #67

Ed Snowden amerxp Dec 2013 #68

Merry Christmas rtracey Dec 2013 #105

So... MrMickeysMom Dec 2013 #128

great post G_j Dec 2013 #72

hear hear!! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2013 #75

That's one guy's opinion. One guy. MADem Dec 2013 #79

That they are even considering it, even remotely enough that it's mentioned on TV Savannahmann Dec 2013 #88

It's still one guy. And it could be a "float" for all we know. MADem Dec 2013 #96

Well give you amnesty for past transgressions, just please stop talking? I hope if offered Ed Suspicious Dec 2013 #87

A deal that he can't accept. Vox Moi Dec 2013 #89

Zod, is that you? gulliver Dec 2013 #90

Keep driving 'em crazy, WillyT! snot Dec 2013 #100

Unrec x Infinity. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #102

Thanks For The Lecture, But... WillyT Dec 2013 #118

DUREC+ L0oniX Dec 2013 #145

I would agree, but that wasn't Snowden's aim. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #150

LOL. L0oniX Dec 2013 #144

"as a fellow liberal" marmar Dec 2013 #158

I know right? Puglover Dec 2013 #159

The NSA, CIA, and affilliates should be on their knees begging not to be indicted. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #106

When President Greenwald is inaugurated in 2017. Fuddnik Dec 2013 #111

Wow, i didn't know that the NSA could grant amnesty n/t lordsummerisle Dec 2013 #116

Always have a plan B... MrMickeysMom Dec 2013 #127

No one is begging except possibly Snowden's parents. ucrdem Dec 2013 #134

k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #153