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gulliver

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19. It's not good for people to respect mere anger and alienation.

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 04:26 PM

Dec 2013

Heroes may feel angered and alienated, but the angered and alienated aren't heroes. I definitely don't thank anyone for them. It is the rare one that is a true hero. Most are just killing their own ability to think.

I don't actually know yet who exactly Snowden and Greenwald saved from anything. Their contribution seems to be that they struck a blow against something that other people seem to feel is fearful and actually exists. I guess it is an oligarchic, stifling, all-pervading, soulless, bureaucratic government "beast" of some kind. Sort of like Lord of the Flies meets Brazil.

Yup, I don't see it. And I sleep in the dark.

I would rather have the Obama/Democrat style "police matter" approach to global security than the Bush/Republican "just bomb it" approach. I wish we were in a world where we wouldn't need either, but we have all these people whose alienation and anger make them see monsters under the bed and shining heroes to lead the fight against them.

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Rolling Stone: How two alienated, angry geeks broke the story of the year [View all] Logical Dec 2013 OP

Exactly. Angry and alienated. gulliver Dec 2013 #1

But they are heros now. The public is seeing what the NSA is actually doing. It opened many eyes! nt Logical Dec 2013 #2

So the public now sees what Facebook, Google, etc. are now doing? SoapBox Dec 2013 #15

LOL, where are the terrorists? Where? In the USA name the last terror attack! They have your ass.... Logical Dec 2013 #22

Because the NSA did such a terrific job stopping the Boston Marathon bombing. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #26

I would point out that the authorities were Diego_Native 2012 Dec 2013 #39

Surveillance is not for prevention, but for prosecution of the perps. merrily Dec 2013 #65

Who put you in charge? You don't care if the NSA listens to your calls? Fine, I DO care. SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #50

.... Phlem Dec 2013 #58

We don't have constitutional rights against Google, Facebook, et al. merrily Dec 2013 #64

Eddie crack code Titonwan Dec 2013 #70

THAT, in a nutshell, is why universal government surveillance is a good thing.... mike_c Dec 2013 #3

Like millions of other Americans you mean. Rather than 'apathetic and blinded by partisanship'?? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #4

You voiced my feelings perfectly. JEB Dec 2013 #8

+1 cantbeserious Dec 2013 #10

It's not good for people to respect mere anger and alienation. gulliver Dec 2013 #19

It Is Clear To Me That One Has Not Actually Read The Article - Many Of The Questions Are Answered cantbeserious Dec 2013 #20

Concern Troll is concerned. Maedhros Dec 2013 #52

Like I said, anyone who cares about this COUNTRY rather than individual parties, is angry and sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #73

Like maybe Thomas Paine.. the originator of our cherished but shredded Bill of Rights.. eom 2banon Dec 2013 #43

I did not know that. That's ironic, given that he was a relatively recent immigrant merrily Dec 2013 #63

So, It Is Wrong For Americans To Have No Confidence In Oligarchs, Corporations And Government cantbeserious Dec 2013 #9

A Principled Position - From The Article - Greenwald chose a third path. cantbeserious Dec 2013 #16

It is amazing. Snowden -- barely more than a kid with no high school diploma, no college degree, JDPriestly Dec 2013 #48

I find that scary. RC Dec 2013 #72

Thanks. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #77

+1. Agreed nt riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #75

And productive. As opposed to those who are merely angry and alienated. merrily Dec 2013 #69

Shining light on cockroaches. jsr Dec 2013 #5

That's so authoritarian lark Dec 2013 #11

I wasn't referring to Snowden & Greenwald jsr Dec 2013 #24

My bad lark Dec 2013 #76

Your post is K&R n/t deafskeptic Dec 2013 #27

pretty sure the poster did not mean snowden and greenwald. niyad Dec 2013 #37

Now that this is in place, I fear it will only ever expand. Snarkoleptic Dec 2013 #6

that graphic explains it perfectly niyad Dec 2013 #36

True nt Logical Dec 2013 #61

I absolutely LOVE your signature GIF!!! hueymahl Dec 2013 #78

sorry to say I don't recall where I grabbed it. Snarkoleptic Dec 2013 #79

Thank you very much for this article. amerxp Dec 2013 #7

Hi and welcome to DU! lark Dec 2013 #12

Snowden Did Humanity A Favor - History Will Record cantbeserious Dec 2013 #14

+1000! n-t Logical Dec 2013 #21

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #28

welcome to du niyad Dec 2013 #34

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch.....nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #13

Highly recommend..and thanks. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #17

But..but..everybody knew about it...that's why our "transparent" gov't was keeping it secret. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #18

Anyone that can read this.. sendero Dec 2013 #23

+1000! n-t Logical Dec 2013 #25

nailed it G_j Dec 2013 #29

The Founding Fathers are overrated Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #55

Yes. sendero Dec 2013 #56

Go back to the founding of this country Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #60

John Adams not only never owned a slave he considered it a great 'evil'. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #74

Have you read the John Adams/Thomas Jefferson correspondence? JDPriestly Dec 2013 #59

kickety countryjake Dec 2013 #30

kick 840high Dec 2013 #32

It's an Excellent read for anyone willing to spend the time. Thanks! nt adirondacker Dec 2013 #31

^ Wilms Dec 2013 #33

k and r, with MANY thanks. niyad Dec 2013 #35

Good read, thanks for sharing! SpcMnky Dec 2013 #38

Lots of quotables from Snowden. ronnie624 Dec 2013 #40

So true. n-t Logical Dec 2013 #41

I wonder if he'll ever specify what lies he's talking about. randome Dec 2013 #42

He didn't say it happened before. ronnie624 Dec 2013 #44

thanks for the link Logical Dec 2013 #46

Excellent article. K&R Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #45

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #47

k/r marmar Dec 2013 #49

The problem with Snowden and Greenwald goldent Dec 2013 #51

You are wrong. Foreign governments needed to know what we are doing also. We dont trust them and... Logical Dec 2013 #53

"We dont trust them and they should not trust us" goldent Dec 2013 #57

we are all "on the other side" now.... mike_c Dec 2013 #54

They didn't just release "anything and everything". ronnie624 Dec 2013 #62

I think only 1% of the stuff Snowden collected has been released. merrily Dec 2013 #66

And the editor-in-chief of the Guardian said, ronnie624 Dec 2013 #68

Releasing anything and everything? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #71

God, I miss the rule of law. merrily Dec 2013 #67