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64. A ban won't work. If guns are banned, then do we ban machines lathes and metal working

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 09:57 PM

Dec 2013

tools next? But the gun nut resistance to having their motives for wanting to own a gun scrutinized is just as much of a problem. Potential gun owners shouldn't be allowed to have any gun that they want to own, some guns have no practical use in the hands of a person other than to kill other people.

The Founding Fathers didn't anticipate the type of guns in existence today, just like they didn't anticipate motorized vehicles, air flight and damned flush toilets. NO ONE can just walk out and buy a car and drive, or buy an airplane or airline ticket without undergoing state controls over their flying, and I damned sure can't install a flush toilet in my home without getting code approval. Every "right" that we have today have restrictions placed on them by the state, and so should be a person's "right" to want any fucking weapon they desire.

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Colorado School Shooter Legally Purchased 12-Gauge Shotgun [View all] Jefferson23 Dec 2013 OP

Wounded teen girl in critical condition after suburban Denver high school student opened fire with Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #1

Another school shooting, damn!... Little Star Dec 2013 #2

Colorado shooter was said to be targeting his school debate coach Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #3

People drawn to a debate team love to argue seattledo Dec 2013 #85

Wha? laundry_queen Dec 2013 #115

ridiculous. . pipoman Dec 2013 #126

That might be the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read on DU TransitJohn Dec 2013 #157

Arapahoe High gunman held strong political beliefs, classmates said Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #4

Yes, very high beliefs mikeysnot Dec 2013 #5

No, I don't think that is it at all..his political beliefs seem to be in contrast Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #8

Link? RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #125

It's in the article with the link above. Post 4, that began the subthread you are responding to. Squinch Dec 2013 #138

The links are posted in the OP's within this thread...he was quoted from some of Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #176

Well, of course, he was a member of the well-regulated militia tabasco Dec 2013 #6

His political beliefs do not appear to be consistent with that mindset. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #9

Please enlighten me what you mean tabasco Dec 2013 #12

The information in the OP has the young man confronting Republicans specifically about Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #52

Now explain tabasco Dec 2013 #72

It was in response to your snark regarding entry to the milita. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #82

No it doesn't RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #120

Why are you guys crawling up his butt for stating what was in a linked article? Squinch Dec 2013 #139

Glenn Beck link? You know what, you're lost and I don't give a shit..look up the links yourself. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #178

Actually, he was, by law, a member of the unorganized militia. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #14

I think he meant Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #16

You're definition is correct. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #19

The word derives from the Latin regulare, tabasco Dec 2013 #79

Actually, it's the facts. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #83

Better regulates and well regulated means better disciplined and well disciplined. RC Dec 2013 #141

Are you replying to the correct post? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #143

What does that have to do with equating regulation with equipment? RC Dec 2013 #147

You understand in the post you replied to, I mention equipment exactly zero times, right? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #155

You are truly grasping at straws tabasco Dec 2013 #144

Now you're being obtuse. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #158

Well stated. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #161

LOL! tabasco Dec 2013 #75

You have been corrected in a respectful way, but Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #103

LOL. You are usually one of the first to demand gun threads be hidden from general DU. Hoyt Dec 2013 #119

"Obvious reason:" It's in GD's TOS. nt Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #146

Most posters just ignore that in threads like this, gun fanciers alert & whine for obvious reasons. Hoyt Dec 2013 #179

like the rules Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #182

Like someone is going to die if your love of gunz is critiqued in GD. Hoyt Dec 2013 #184

Not most. Just a handful of the usual suspects. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #185

The reason for THIS alert was indeed obvious: Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #188

Oh please, tabasco Dec 2013 #73

At the time, it would mean "in proper working order" or something along those lines. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #80

The kid appeared to be anti-gun. Somehow he crossed into a dark space. I am bluestate10 Dec 2013 #36

I have wondered the same thing pipoman Dec 2013 #131

I've thought about that too, but it's unlikely we will learn the truth. HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #192

The 17 year old girl shot at the school has been identifie indie9197 Dec 2013 #7

Hopefully, she wil make a full recovery..but it is a horrific wound. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #10

Point blank with a shotgun?? That's pretty fucking unlikely. kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #31

There is hope for her and until there is none left, her life is not over. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #42

I agree. But, let's hope for another Gabby Giffords miracle so the the young woman can function. nt bluestate10 Dec 2013 #43

It had to be a off-center shot NickB79 Dec 2013 #195

K&R billh58 Dec 2013 #11

How do you propose that be done? Except for his age, the kid would have passed any background bluestate10 Dec 2013 #48

Of course he legally purchased it Turbineguy Dec 2013 #13

Nothing helps solve political problems like hyperbole. nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #15

was that Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #18

My question exactly. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #25

The information out on the kid so far indicates that he was "normal" until he snapped. bluestate10 Dec 2013 #57

So a question that a person can easily lie about is your suggestion for a good solution? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #60

A lot of teens threaten people and don't follow up with deadly force. I argue that MOST teen have bluestate10 Dec 2013 #66

Ignore is also the domain of people who don't like insulting garbage. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #68

What I pointed out was that a large number of teens threaten people but don't follow bluestate10 Dec 2013 #84

So implying that we should take threats seriously and that we need a better, more comprehensive... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #87

There is a difference between a teen issuing a red faced threat that he or she may or bluestate10 Dec 2013 #98

Background checks like you're talking about, as I said, would be prohibitively time consuming and... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #99

I take it you oppose forced therapy, but support forced "scrutiny" Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #104

It's always one of those "law abiding citizens" who commit these senseless shootings. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #17

are you for a complete ban and confiscation? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #20

They always do everything legal. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #21

Do you support a ban? Dwayne Hicks Dec 2013 #22

Absolutely. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #23

How would that even happen? Dwayne Hicks Dec 2013 #27

A ban would never work for many reasons. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #29

I agree Dwayne Hicks Dec 2013 #34

Indeed we are! eqfan592 Dec 2013 #37

Agreed! Dwayne Hicks Dec 2013 #40

You hit the nail on the head. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #47

One sign might be coveting guns designed to shoot people. Hoyt Dec 2013 #121

Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #51

As do I Dwayne Hicks Dec 2013 #55

Why would they have to all be confisated door to door? firsttimer Dec 2013 #70

How else would it happen? ManiacJoe Dec 2013 #76

yes sir firsttimer Dec 2013 #78

Canada would probably be a more accurate reflection of the USA's response to such an action. ManiacJoe Dec 2013 #100

Prohibition makes huge numbers of law-abiding citizens "criminals" overnight. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #105

It wouldn't have to be done overnight firsttimer Dec 2013 #111

The greater good? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #112

You can lump both in the same sentence firsttimer Dec 2013 #113

Actually, the only study that matters is how many people were killed, period. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #117

Yours is a transparent prohibition with an element of gradualism... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #114

What I find is when I talk to most gun people that it's an all or nothing mindset. firsttimer Dec 2013 #116

You don't know how to stop all violent crime? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #118

A similar mind set infects the controller/banners. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #150

Please join in the duscussions in the Gungeon. Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #153

"Yes, we do not bite and as a group are very respectful of opposing views" Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #156

If the NRA disappeared tomorrow... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #32

A ban won't work. If guns are banned, then do we ban machines lathes and metal working bluestate10 Dec 2013 #64

Actually, you're in error. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #65

Ok, then people can own guns as long as they don't take them off their own property. bluestate10 Dec 2013 #67

If you want to provide state funded training, at all times of day, in enough locations that... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #69

We already pay a price from inappropriate use of guns. I am ok with funding training and bluestate10 Dec 2013 #74

I don't mind CCW...but I think the permitting process needs to be MUCH more stringent. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #81

I agree with scrutiny before a person gets a gun. Requiring gun safes gets into the area bluestate10 Dec 2013 #88

... Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #101

So, why do some controller/banners want these "annoyances" back in GD? Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #107

Given what bluestate has said, I don't think "pro-gunner" is really an appropriate label. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #108

Nope, we imprison folks who obviously aren't as "law abiding" as gun fanciers claim. Hoyt Dec 2013 #181

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #24

More laws is a good start, and if that doesn't work, I am just about kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #33

Laws to reduce poverty and increase access to mental healthcare and education... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #38

Such laws won't stop gun nutters with axes to grind. kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #41

What you're advocating is basically the end of the nation as we know it. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #45

So gun fanciers would start shooting folks over tough restrictions. Good reason to get serious over Hoyt Dec 2013 #122

Wow blueridge3210 Dec 2013 #137

"Trigger violent upheaval" -- I think you need to reread it. Ever heard gun fanciers, "Molon Labe." Hoyt Dec 2013 #180

When "tough restrictions" means the death penalty? Abso-fucking-lutely. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #142

You would support the DP for possession of a gun? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #148

yep Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #154

It's interesting to view the hate towards gun owners on DU, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #159

It's a way for phony "progressives" to indulge in hate and bigotry. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #165

No, but if we wise up and restrict gunz, I would support time in prison with other gun lovers who Hoyt Dec 2013 #186

Am I reading this right? sarisataka Dec 2013 #53

Actually, such laws can indeed stop such people... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #54

Seriously? Dwayne Hicks Dec 2013 #58

That view is very extreme and I wouldn't support that. firsttimer Dec 2013 #86

like drugs? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #89

apples and oranges firsttimer Dec 2013 #90

no bans Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #91

This is the same old argument that ( why not make a law to make murder illegal ) that will stop it.. firsttimer Dec 2013 #93

I do not mind restricting full auto Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #94

I respectfully disagree with you firsttimer Dec 2013 #97

Yes, it is the same thing, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #149

I'm not impressed by your peculiar temptations. They certainly aren't constructive. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #106

I am for making guns harder to get. A person wanting a gun should have to go through an bluestate10 Dec 2013 #59

I'm for stricter checks Dwayne Hicks Dec 2013 #61

Assault weapons have no practical use. But some people like to target shoot and play timed bluestate10 Dec 2013 #71

whats an assault weapon Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #77

Semi-automatic rifles had limits on the number of rounds that could be fired before bluestate10 Dec 2013 #92

I will give you points for creativity on that definition. ManiacJoe Dec 2013 #95

just get it passed, no grandfather for the millions that do not meet this Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #96

Would wipe out my K31 and Lee Enfield as well. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #109

Limits on magazine sizes are not only unpopular, but ineffective. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #110

It's an interesting definition, but not one any ban has ever contemplated Recursion Dec 2013 #136

Where were his parents??? El Supremo Dec 2013 #26

It's unfortunate the debate teacher didn't report the threat. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #30

He should lose his job if he did not report the threat exboyfil Dec 2013 #145

I know, there are a lot of questions we alll have..I feel the same way. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #46

legally purchased DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #28

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #35

Accept the young man wasn't a "gun nutter." eqfan592 Dec 2013 #39

He bought a gun and used it to settle a score, where he had no valid kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #44

He seemed more in line with you in terms of his beliefs about guns and gun owners. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #50

Link? RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #124

There are links in this very thread. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #127

None of them back up what you claim RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #128

did you miss this one? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #130

"a strong advocate of gun rights" RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #133

Evidence of a nuanced position on the issue... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #135

From the accounts so far, that does not appear to be the case. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #49

Colorado school shooting: New details on 80 seconds of terror Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #56

He has also been described as "a strong advocate of gun rights" pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #62

Thanks for the link..that is interesting because his own words suggest otherwise..so Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #63

Do you have a link? RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #123

here ya go. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #129

"a strong advocate of gun rights" RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #132

Thanks for showing you inability for rational discussion. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #134

You need to read the thread..they're all there..posted. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #177

STOP THE PRESSES CFLDem Dec 2013 #102

Every time there is a ANOTHER horrible gun tragedy Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #140

Your language is part of the problem. Take responsibility. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #151

Yeah, because my language caused Sandy Hook. Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #152

well the tone of you and several of the groups Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #160

What poisons the well is the NRA insisting that Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #164

I am sure you know Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #170

The debate over violent crime us badly framed and using bad language Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #162

sometimes Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #163

This isn't about "violent crimes" Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #166

You still don't get it. I can say no more. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #168

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing. Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #169

"Gun Humpers". Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #171

Insult, straw man, and planted axiom...trifecta! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #172

You contribute your way Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #174

Works for me! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #175

People should have the freedom to go places safely without worrying about getting shot or threatened AlinPA Dec 2013 #194

Folks who fancy guns are embarassed by their affliction. That's good I suppose, but they Hoyt Dec 2013 #183

How many people pintobean Dec 2013 #189

No, it's not. Iggo Dec 2013 #167

I see the problem as violence in America, and how we Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #173

The fact that I call gun****ers gun****ers hasn't made one kid dead yet. Iggo Dec 2013 #187

So, you have a "right" to use that language in DU? Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #191

Depends on whether or not I'm talking about DUers. Iggo Dec 2013 #193

I'll leave you to your hazy, dodgy real life. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #196

I trash them, too. Turning GD into the gungeon is the same mistake it was when they made the gungeon Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #190