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Eleanors38

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114. Yours is a transparent prohibition with an element of gradualism...

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 03:20 AM

Dec 2013

The kind pro-2A folks warn of even as they are accused of "paranoia." In a curious way, they might appreciate your rehabilitation!

Not much crime "now," not much crime then. (Old saying re Harvard U: They graduate the best because they accept only the best.) Didn't Tory fears of leftist & labor union movements figure more into disarmament of civilians?

It would be good to lessen gun violence; even better to lessen violence. Strangely, my home town of Austin, Tx (pop. 830,000) recorded more deaths by "knife or sharp-edged instrument" than by guns for 2011. We are a violent & resourceful people.

Consistently, 75% of Americans believe 2A protects an individual RKBA. They will not go quietly into the night, and I cannot imagine a process where general prohibition would be effected or effective. But somewhere in the faint outer loops of my speculative galaxy, I do perceive this nation's vast capabilities at defeating prohibitions of all sorts.

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Colorado School Shooter Legally Purchased 12-Gauge Shotgun [View all] Jefferson23 Dec 2013 OP

Wounded teen girl in critical condition after suburban Denver high school student opened fire with Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #1

Another school shooting, damn!... Little Star Dec 2013 #2

Colorado shooter was said to be targeting his school debate coach Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #3

People drawn to a debate team love to argue seattledo Dec 2013 #85

Wha? laundry_queen Dec 2013 #115

ridiculous. . pipoman Dec 2013 #126

That might be the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read on DU TransitJohn Dec 2013 #157

Arapahoe High gunman held strong political beliefs, classmates said Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #4

Yes, very high beliefs mikeysnot Dec 2013 #5

No, I don't think that is it at all..his political beliefs seem to be in contrast Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #8

Link? RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #125

It's in the article with the link above. Post 4, that began the subthread you are responding to. Squinch Dec 2013 #138

The links are posted in the OP's within this thread...he was quoted from some of Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #176

Well, of course, he was a member of the well-regulated militia tabasco Dec 2013 #6

His political beliefs do not appear to be consistent with that mindset. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #9

Please enlighten me what you mean tabasco Dec 2013 #12

The information in the OP has the young man confronting Republicans specifically about Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #52

Now explain tabasco Dec 2013 #72

It was in response to your snark regarding entry to the milita. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #82

No it doesn't RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #120

Why are you guys crawling up his butt for stating what was in a linked article? Squinch Dec 2013 #139

Glenn Beck link? You know what, you're lost and I don't give a shit..look up the links yourself. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #178

Actually, he was, by law, a member of the unorganized militia. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #14

I think he meant Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #16

You're definition is correct. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #19

The word derives from the Latin regulare, tabasco Dec 2013 #79

Actually, it's the facts. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #83

Better regulates and well regulated means better disciplined and well disciplined. RC Dec 2013 #141

Are you replying to the correct post? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #143

What does that have to do with equating regulation with equipment? RC Dec 2013 #147

You understand in the post you replied to, I mention equipment exactly zero times, right? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #155

You are truly grasping at straws tabasco Dec 2013 #144

Now you're being obtuse. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #158

Well stated. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #161

LOL! tabasco Dec 2013 #75

You have been corrected in a respectful way, but Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #103

LOL. You are usually one of the first to demand gun threads be hidden from general DU. Hoyt Dec 2013 #119

"Obvious reason:" It's in GD's TOS. nt Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #146

Most posters just ignore that in threads like this, gun fanciers alert & whine for obvious reasons. Hoyt Dec 2013 #179

like the rules Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #182

Like someone is going to die if your love of gunz is critiqued in GD. Hoyt Dec 2013 #184

Not most. Just a handful of the usual suspects. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #185

The reason for THIS alert was indeed obvious: Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #188

Oh please, tabasco Dec 2013 #73

At the time, it would mean "in proper working order" or something along those lines. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #80

The kid appeared to be anti-gun. Somehow he crossed into a dark space. I am bluestate10 Dec 2013 #36

I have wondered the same thing pipoman Dec 2013 #131

I've thought about that too, but it's unlikely we will learn the truth. HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #192

The 17 year old girl shot at the school has been identifie indie9197 Dec 2013 #7

Hopefully, she wil make a full recovery..but it is a horrific wound. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #10

Point blank with a shotgun?? That's pretty fucking unlikely. kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #31

There is hope for her and until there is none left, her life is not over. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #42

I agree. But, let's hope for another Gabby Giffords miracle so the the young woman can function. nt bluestate10 Dec 2013 #43

It had to be a off-center shot NickB79 Dec 2013 #195

K&R billh58 Dec 2013 #11

How do you propose that be done? Except for his age, the kid would have passed any background bluestate10 Dec 2013 #48

Of course he legally purchased it Turbineguy Dec 2013 #13

Nothing helps solve political problems like hyperbole. nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #15

was that Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #18

My question exactly. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #25

The information out on the kid so far indicates that he was "normal" until he snapped. bluestate10 Dec 2013 #57

So a question that a person can easily lie about is your suggestion for a good solution? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #60

A lot of teens threaten people and don't follow up with deadly force. I argue that MOST teen have bluestate10 Dec 2013 #66

Ignore is also the domain of people who don't like insulting garbage. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #68

What I pointed out was that a large number of teens threaten people but don't follow bluestate10 Dec 2013 #84

So implying that we should take threats seriously and that we need a better, more comprehensive... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #87

There is a difference between a teen issuing a red faced threat that he or she may or bluestate10 Dec 2013 #98

Background checks like you're talking about, as I said, would be prohibitively time consuming and... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #99

I take it you oppose forced therapy, but support forced "scrutiny" Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #104

It's always one of those "law abiding citizens" who commit these senseless shootings. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #17

are you for a complete ban and confiscation? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #20

They always do everything legal. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #21

Do you support a ban? Dwayne Hicks Dec 2013 #22

Absolutely. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #23

How would that even happen? Dwayne Hicks Dec 2013 #27

A ban would never work for many reasons. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #29

I agree Dwayne Hicks Dec 2013 #34

Indeed we are! eqfan592 Dec 2013 #37

Agreed! Dwayne Hicks Dec 2013 #40

You hit the nail on the head. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #47

One sign might be coveting guns designed to shoot people. Hoyt Dec 2013 #121

Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #51

As do I Dwayne Hicks Dec 2013 #55

Why would they have to all be confisated door to door? firsttimer Dec 2013 #70

How else would it happen? ManiacJoe Dec 2013 #76

yes sir firsttimer Dec 2013 #78

Canada would probably be a more accurate reflection of the USA's response to such an action. ManiacJoe Dec 2013 #100

Prohibition makes huge numbers of law-abiding citizens "criminals" overnight. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #105

It wouldn't have to be done overnight firsttimer Dec 2013 #111

The greater good? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #112

You can lump both in the same sentence firsttimer Dec 2013 #113

Actually, the only study that matters is how many people were killed, period. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #117

Yours is a transparent prohibition with an element of gradualism... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #114

What I find is when I talk to most gun people that it's an all or nothing mindset. firsttimer Dec 2013 #116

You don't know how to stop all violent crime? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #118

A similar mind set infects the controller/banners. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #150

Please join in the duscussions in the Gungeon. Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #153

"Yes, we do not bite and as a group are very respectful of opposing views" Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #156

If the NRA disappeared tomorrow... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #32

A ban won't work. If guns are banned, then do we ban machines lathes and metal working bluestate10 Dec 2013 #64

Actually, you're in error. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #65

Ok, then people can own guns as long as they don't take them off their own property. bluestate10 Dec 2013 #67

If you want to provide state funded training, at all times of day, in enough locations that... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #69

We already pay a price from inappropriate use of guns. I am ok with funding training and bluestate10 Dec 2013 #74

I don't mind CCW...but I think the permitting process needs to be MUCH more stringent. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #81

I agree with scrutiny before a person gets a gun. Requiring gun safes gets into the area bluestate10 Dec 2013 #88

... Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #101

So, why do some controller/banners want these "annoyances" back in GD? Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #107

Given what bluestate has said, I don't think "pro-gunner" is really an appropriate label. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #108

Nope, we imprison folks who obviously aren't as "law abiding" as gun fanciers claim. Hoyt Dec 2013 #181

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #24

More laws is a good start, and if that doesn't work, I am just about kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #33

Laws to reduce poverty and increase access to mental healthcare and education... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #38

Such laws won't stop gun nutters with axes to grind. kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #41

What you're advocating is basically the end of the nation as we know it. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #45

So gun fanciers would start shooting folks over tough restrictions. Good reason to get serious over Hoyt Dec 2013 #122

Wow blueridge3210 Dec 2013 #137

"Trigger violent upheaval" -- I think you need to reread it. Ever heard gun fanciers, "Molon Labe." Hoyt Dec 2013 #180

When "tough restrictions" means the death penalty? Abso-fucking-lutely. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #142

You would support the DP for possession of a gun? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #148

yep Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #154

It's interesting to view the hate towards gun owners on DU, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #159

It's a way for phony "progressives" to indulge in hate and bigotry. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #165

No, but if we wise up and restrict gunz, I would support time in prison with other gun lovers who Hoyt Dec 2013 #186

Am I reading this right? sarisataka Dec 2013 #53

Actually, such laws can indeed stop such people... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #54

Seriously? Dwayne Hicks Dec 2013 #58

That view is very extreme and I wouldn't support that. firsttimer Dec 2013 #86

like drugs? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #89

apples and oranges firsttimer Dec 2013 #90

no bans Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #91

This is the same old argument that ( why not make a law to make murder illegal ) that will stop it.. firsttimer Dec 2013 #93

I do not mind restricting full auto Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #94

I respectfully disagree with you firsttimer Dec 2013 #97

Yes, it is the same thing, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #149

I'm not impressed by your peculiar temptations. They certainly aren't constructive. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #106

I am for making guns harder to get. A person wanting a gun should have to go through an bluestate10 Dec 2013 #59

I'm for stricter checks Dwayne Hicks Dec 2013 #61

Assault weapons have no practical use. But some people like to target shoot and play timed bluestate10 Dec 2013 #71

whats an assault weapon Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #77

Semi-automatic rifles had limits on the number of rounds that could be fired before bluestate10 Dec 2013 #92

I will give you points for creativity on that definition. ManiacJoe Dec 2013 #95

just get it passed, no grandfather for the millions that do not meet this Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #96

Would wipe out my K31 and Lee Enfield as well. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #109

Limits on magazine sizes are not only unpopular, but ineffective. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #110

It's an interesting definition, but not one any ban has ever contemplated Recursion Dec 2013 #136

Where were his parents??? El Supremo Dec 2013 #26

It's unfortunate the debate teacher didn't report the threat. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #30

He should lose his job if he did not report the threat exboyfil Dec 2013 #145

I know, there are a lot of questions we alll have..I feel the same way. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #46

legally purchased DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #28

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #35

Accept the young man wasn't a "gun nutter." eqfan592 Dec 2013 #39

He bought a gun and used it to settle a score, where he had no valid kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #44

He seemed more in line with you in terms of his beliefs about guns and gun owners. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #50

Link? RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #124

There are links in this very thread. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #127

None of them back up what you claim RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #128

did you miss this one? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #130

"a strong advocate of gun rights" RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #133

Evidence of a nuanced position on the issue... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #135

From the accounts so far, that does not appear to be the case. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #49

Colorado school shooting: New details on 80 seconds of terror Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #56

He has also been described as "a strong advocate of gun rights" pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #62

Thanks for the link..that is interesting because his own words suggest otherwise..so Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #63

Do you have a link? RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #123

here ya go. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #129

"a strong advocate of gun rights" RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #132

Thanks for showing you inability for rational discussion. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #134

You need to read the thread..they're all there..posted. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #177

STOP THE PRESSES CFLDem Dec 2013 #102

Every time there is a ANOTHER horrible gun tragedy Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #140

Your language is part of the problem. Take responsibility. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #151

Yeah, because my language caused Sandy Hook. Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #152

well the tone of you and several of the groups Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #160

What poisons the well is the NRA insisting that Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #164

I am sure you know Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #170

The debate over violent crime us badly framed and using bad language Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #162

sometimes Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #163

This isn't about "violent crimes" Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #166

You still don't get it. I can say no more. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #168

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing. Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #169

"Gun Humpers". Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #171

Insult, straw man, and planted axiom...trifecta! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #172

You contribute your way Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #174

Works for me! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #175

People should have the freedom to go places safely without worrying about getting shot or threatened AlinPA Dec 2013 #194

Folks who fancy guns are embarassed by their affliction. That's good I suppose, but they Hoyt Dec 2013 #183

How many people pintobean Dec 2013 #189

No, it's not. Iggo Dec 2013 #167

I see the problem as violence in America, and how we Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #173

The fact that I call gun****ers gun****ers hasn't made one kid dead yet. Iggo Dec 2013 #187

So, you have a "right" to use that language in DU? Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #191

Depends on whether or not I'm talking about DUers. Iggo Dec 2013 #193

I'll leave you to your hazy, dodgy real life. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #196

I trash them, too. Turning GD into the gungeon is the same mistake it was when they made the gungeon Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #190