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Sancho

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103. I don't know if it was rape or not, but I can understand the confusing evidence is a problem.

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 11:46 AM

Dec 2013

There was DNA from TWO males (the second was a boyfriend). She and her girlfriend reported she "passed out" and maybe was drugged. The test from several hours later showed some alcohol. Her attorney reported this also.

In other words, she could have be bruised or raped by a boyfriend, she might have been drugged, and she may have been drunk and simply consented....the test for GHB, etc. came back negative but the girl's attorney is challenging the blood tests. Maybe they have a sample and can redo, but who knows? Since she admits passing out, it's hard to depend on her testimony.

In order to have a charge, the investigators need evidence. It's true that the investigation was lousy .... what's new in Florida??? Look at Trevon Martin and many other cases where the cops did a bad job. There's no defense for the cops, but once it gets to the DA needing to make a charge there has to be a case.

At this point from the stories and even from the girl's attorney; there is not good evidence. Of course the teammates were biased witnesses.

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Test links Winston's (Heisman trophy winner) DNA to accuser [View all] BainsBane Dec 2013 OP

Star athletes: A Protected Class. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #1

and guys with snazzy websites BainsBane Dec 2013 #2

and Directors of National Intelligence n/t Enrique Dec 2013 #73

I don't think there was a dispute that they had sex Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #3

It's clear authorities threw the case BainsBane Dec 2013 #4

Of course, because he couldn't possibly be innocent Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #5

Read the fucking article BainsBane Dec 2013 #6

I read it, along with many others Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #7

Like 97% of rape cases BainsBane Dec 2013 #9

This isn't about other cases. There were witnesses interviewed Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #10

All we really know is that he "had sex". nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #11

True. Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #12

Do you think most women 'consent' to xulamaude Dec 2013 #13

The witnesses were in the other room until Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #15

That's not what I asked though. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #18

There are women who do and women who don't Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #22

And you know this from personal experience? nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #29

Yep Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #32

Well, I find that kind of creepy. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #33

Then don't go to Hedonism Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #34

How can you tell if a woman consents? BainsBane Dec 2013 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #41

The first sign is she doesn't say No. And the drunk ones are tricky, I usually stay away Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #43

"Usually stay away if they're sloppy drunk" xulamaude Dec 2013 #49

Yeah, usually...exceptions would be girlfriends or regular hookups Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #51

So sloppy drunk isn't a turn off for you? xulamaude Dec 2013 #52

Depends on the relationship with the female Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #53

Always stay away if a potential sex partner is impaired, even in the slightest way. nt bluestate10 Dec 2013 #111

Answer the question BainsBane Dec 2013 #42

Wow! You have quite the imagination. Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #45

That is illegal BainsBane Dec 2013 #48

Ahhhh...so I should assume every woman is being raped until they tell me they consented? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #50

You should assume you have no right to have sex with a woman BainsBane Dec 2013 #54

I never assume the right to have sex with anyone. You can't even keep your posts straight Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #55

I asked about how YOU know if a woman gives consent. BainsBane Dec 2013 #58

It's disgusting how you keep trying to twist my words to fit Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #71

They seem pretty straight forward to me BainsBane Dec 2013 #75

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #76

Yeah...as a neutral, uninterested observer... Shandris Dec 2013 #135

His teamamtes BainsBane Dec 2013 #16

You weren't there, you weren't involved in the investigation Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Dec 2013 #23

Actually you weren't. You experience and any other woman's experience is irrelevant Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #24

"woman's experience is irrelevant" BainsBane Dec 2013 #28

Good lord...you really have some issues Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #31

No she's not the one with issues. ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #35

Oh so you think Winston is guilty because of the facts in other rape cases Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #37

Here's some more rope, if you want it. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #46

One thing that always strikes me in these situations BainsBane Dec 2013 #56

That was an embarrassingly deceitful thing you just did. Marr Dec 2013 #115

And neither were you. Fawke Em Dec 2013 #25

I'm not the one accusing him of being a rapist Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #27

Why error on the side of stupid? Fawke Em Dec 2013 #30

You guys are precious - just adorable. xulamaude Dec 2013 #36

You're the one accusing the victim of being a liar BainsBane Dec 2013 #39

No where did I say she lied. I said, according to the police Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #40

If he's innocent, she lied BainsBane Dec 2013 #44

Are accusers infallible? Duke lacrosse case ring a bell? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #47

Make up your mind BainsBane Dec 2013 #59

There's contradictory evidence...she was drunk Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #60

A drunk woman can't consent BainsBane Dec 2013 #63

The only thing that confounds me is your inability to allow Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #70

Uh-oh! If she was THAT drunk--i.e., so drunk that tblue37 Dec 2013 #99

Filing false charges should be a felony. EvilAL Dec 2013 #66

Too many? BainsBane Dec 2013 #79

DNA only proves they had sex. The 2 witnesses Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #81

How would they know? BainsBane Dec 2013 #84

Yeaaaahhhh...the police disagree with you Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #88

Well, bless your heart. historylovr Dec 2013 #125

One is too many as far as I am concerned. EvilAL Dec 2013 #96

One rape is too many. historylovr Dec 2013 #126

False charges are a felony, by the way BainsBane Dec 2013 #80

That's why I mentioned it EvilAL Dec 2013 #98

And do tell us how she faked all the cuts and bruises all over her body? BainsBane Dec 2013 #83

DNA doesn't prove anything but sexual contact Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #86

I'm not saying she's lying, EvilAL Dec 2013 #97

I don't defend rapists here or anywhere. EvilAL Dec 2013 #100

Amen. historylovr Dec 2013 #127

I don't know if it was rape or not, but I can understand the confusing evidence is a problem. Sancho Dec 2013 #103

One of the friends videotaped some of the incident, then deleted the video and discarded the LisaL Dec 2013 #121

the video was interesting... Sancho Dec 2013 #131

Hmmm.....153 posts. n-t Logical Dec 2013 #118

It gets really old... Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #8

Don't worry about it. The HeisTman is a joke, now. Fawke Em Dec 2013 #14

Why didn't OJ deserve the Heisman? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #17

OJ should have won that damn thing twice. Moses2SandyKoufax Dec 2013 #20

I didn't say he didn't. Fawke Em Dec 2013 #26

I've re-read your post five times now... can't find the word "sullied". Point it out for me? n/t cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #107

What on earth makes you think I give a damn about a trophy? BainsBane Dec 2013 #19

I thought Manning Sgent Dec 2013 #57

Also, not to forget, Moses2SandyKoufax Dec 2013 #62

Woodson, Manning, and Leaf all had great years, but.... Saboburns Dec 2013 #130

OJ Simpson won the Heisman legitimately. He became a douche years later. nt bluestate10 Dec 2013 #112

This article is three weeks old and was written before the police decided that they wouldn't file Chakab Dec 2013 #61

Because it has to do with a woman whose life was destroyed by a rapist BainsBane Dec 2013 #64

Her life was destroyed? Really? She told contradictory stories Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #82

Funny thing is when a person is drunk to the point of half consciousness BainsBane Dec 2013 #87

I find it funny how you keep making up your own facts Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #89

I don't know what facts you think I'm making up. BainsBane Dec 2013 #90

Funny thing...either the cops don't know the law Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #94

That's just a "report", it reflects nothing Soundman Dec 2013 #109

Old news quaker bill Dec 2013 #65

The police took nine months to bother investigating BainsBane Dec 2013 #68

DNA doesn't prove rape and video from a bar Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #77

Did you notice a complaint? quaker bill Dec 2013 #150

There was also other DNA present, from the accused's "boy friend" Doctor_J Dec 2013 #95

Let a JURY DECIDE. Ilsa Dec 2013 #67

Exactly.. sendero Dec 2013 #69

Exactly wrong. former9thward Dec 2013 #101

Exactly.. sendero Dec 2013 #104

Prosecutors DO get a conviction almost every time. former9thward Dec 2013 #105

You are trying to conflat my example. sendero Dec 2013 #106

And had he gone to trial and walked, you'd still claim he was a rapist Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #72

Would I? Who's JUDGING whom now? Ilsa Dec 2013 #91

You've already judged, so stop pointing fingers. You've judged without hearing a single argument cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #110

Then the case should be tried in a court of law. Ilsa Dec 2013 #128

When the internet decides a person is guilty, a jury's decision isn't enough Penicilino Dec 2013 #74

Yeah, just like the victim will always be called Ilsa Dec 2013 #92

A jury trial wasn't enough in the Zimmerman case davidn3600 Dec 2013 #85

Would I? Who's JUDGING whom now? Ilsa Dec 2013 #93

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #102

Ah, yes. The old "throw it against a wall to see if it sticks" approach. lightcameron Dec 2013 #134

Had the accused denied having had sex with the accuser? Penicilino Dec 2013 #78

Nope. Never denied it. lightcameron Dec 2013 #136

That information is old information. It was known by law enforcement. Because a person's bluestate10 Dec 2013 #108

Fascinating how so many complain more about a two week old story BainsBane Dec 2013 #117

Here's the issue for me gollygee Dec 2013 #113

How do you know when they deleted the video? woolldog Dec 2013 #114

Well that brings up a different problem gollygee Dec 2013 #116

First of all, woolldog Dec 2013 #119

How do we know when it was deleted? Easy. LisaL Dec 2013 #120

The point wasnt when the video was deleted.... woolldog Dec 2013 #122

Well you could have fooled me. LisaL Dec 2013 #123

Yes, IF that is true, woolldog Dec 2013 #124

Problem is she wasn't drunk according to the toxicology Finnmccool Dec 2013 #129

That's not true. LisaL Dec 2013 #132

That would mean impaired not drunk Finnmccool Dec 2013 #133

If she went driving with that BAC, nobody would be saying she wasn't drunk. LisaL Dec 2013 #138

I believe the accuser claimed she was blackout drunk woolldog Dec 2013 #140

And BAC of 0.1 can obviously cause impairement since it's above the legal limit to drive. LisaL Dec 2013 #141

It's nowhere near blackout drunk. woolldog Dec 2013 #142

Not even drunk? What on earth are you talking about? LisaL Dec 2013 #143

Lisa woolldog Dec 2013 #144

OMG. LisaL Dec 2013 #145

.... woolldog Dec 2013 #146

You seem to have a different definition of "drunk" than everybody else. LisaL Dec 2013 #147

Was she driving? woolldog Dec 2013 #148

And with that I'm headed to bed. woolldog Dec 2013 #149

She also lied when she told police she didn't know Jameis Winston. lightcameron Dec 2013 #137

I don't know whose photos are on twitter. But I presume they are not of the accuser. LisaL Dec 2013 #139