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LAGC

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113. Fair enough.

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 04:33 PM

Dec 2013

But like you said yourself, the problem is one of money.

People like to complain that the NRA has too much influence, but why is that? Why is it that the pro-gun folks are so motivated to send all sorts of money to their advocacy organization, yet the pro-gun control folks can't be bothered to fund even piecemeal reform efforts?

That's the problem I see with gun control efforts in general in this country. There's a lot of huffing and puffing, but when push comes to shove people just don't really care about this issue as much as others, thus nothing gets done.

There's nothing "mystical" about the NRA's influence -- they simply have more devoted grassroots contributors fighting for their pet cause, whereas all the gun control side has is Bloomberg and his Mayors Against Illegal Guns with only a small fraction of the monied war-chest.

Gun control rhetoric plays well inside the belt-ways, but its a big political loser everywhere else. Look at what happened in Colorado.

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On this horrific anniversary let us speak out against the horrors the NRA agenda has brought us [View all] Bjorn Against Dec 2013 OP

Off to the greatest you go! madinmaryland Dec 2013 #1

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #2

My take on it is a lot of gun nuts are just more terrified to die than the rest of us. BlueJazz Dec 2013 #3

They love to tell us about how much crime has dropped when we express concern about guns Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #4

Yup! Agschmid Dec 2013 #21

And if the"no gun in GD" rule comes back there is always 2 groups aikoaiko Dec 2013 #5

Sure, but it is always good to have open discussion on the issues of the day Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #7

The NRA certainly has its own set of problems seveneyes Dec 2013 #6

Of course not, no one wants to let the person who pulled the trigger off the hook Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #8

It comes down to intent albino65 Dec 2013 #9

Not familiar with competitive target shooting, I see hack89 Dec 2013 #12

please do not Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #17

Don't get your u-trou in a bunch albino65 Dec 2013 #32

Are you familiar with the Democratic party platform? hack89 Dec 2013 #33

What don't you get? albino65 Dec 2013 #34

"the second amendment states that a well regulated militia is the reason..." hack89 Dec 2013 #35

Here it is albino65 Dec 2013 #36

I am merely agreeing with the president and the party platform hack89 Dec 2013 #37

Good to know that you agree with the President that the assault weapons ban should be reinstated Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #38

It would be irrelevant to me as it is not retroactive hack89 Dec 2013 #40

But you said in post 37 that you agree with Obama Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #42

Obama also supports drone attacks and the NSA hack89 Dec 2013 #45

I have vocally disagreed with him on drone attacks and the NSA as well Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #46

I actually agree that lockstep uniformity has no place in the Democratic Party hack89 Dec 2013 #50

I do agree with a lot of what you said in this post Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #55

He is pro-gun control but it is not a high priority as far as I can see hack89 Dec 2013 #58

He has made it a pretty major issue in his second term Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #61

He refuses to strong arm pro-gun Dems that are up for reelection hack89 Dec 2013 #74

I admit that shitty Democrats are a problem Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #82

It is easy to push for things you know have no chance of passing hack89 Dec 2013 #87

Good point, we need to restrict handguns as well. Hoyt Dec 2013 #59

The biggest problem I see is that BOTH sides have to be rational, and one side world wide wally Dec 2013 #10

Gun control advocates will figure out the law eventually hack89 Dec 2013 #14

^ Point proven world wide wally Dec 2013 #18

The 2A protects an individual right to own guns according to both the president hack89 Dec 2013 #23

I think so Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #28

If that is what the Democratic platform says, then YES, it is distorted. I am not a mystic world wide wally Dec 2013 #39

It is also what the president believes hack89 Dec 2013 #41

Not to me. And I also don't think the Prez is as much of a gun control deregulator as you seem to world wide wally Dec 2013 #43

He taught constitutional law - he understands the 2A hack89 Dec 2013 #44

Now if only the NRA and it's "ditto heads" could understand it, we would all be better off world wide wally Dec 2013 #48

They believe it is an individual right just like the president . Nt hack89 Dec 2013 #49

No, the NRA does not believe "just like the President" Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #51

The issue is militia versus individual right. hack89 Dec 2013 #53

So his position is actually not "just like" the NRA position as you previously stated. Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #56

Please go back to the start of this sub thread hack89 Dec 2013 #64

Yes Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito and Kennedy were very clear in the Heller decision Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #70

not all will agree Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #77

True, it is pretty much only right-wing nuts who agree with those five Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #96

Umm, the president agreed with the individual rights approach *before* Heller. n/t X_Digger Dec 2013 #81

The president supports gun control, you may not want to accept that but he does Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #91

Which has no bearing on my comment. Do keep up, yes? n/t X_Digger Dec 2013 #93

You can try to pretend Obama's position on individual rights is the same as the Supreme Court's Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #98

You said.. and I quote.. X_Digger Dec 2013 #102

But Heller was a very limited decision that disappointed the NRA hack89 Dec 2013 #83

whatever they believe, they are liars G_j Dec 2013 #115

True. Nt hack89 Dec 2013 #118

+100 billh58 Dec 2013 #15

+100 Agschmid Dec 2013 #20

So what is the correct view of the 2A? Nt hack89 Dec 2013 #24

you know they will not answer Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #27

The correct view of the 2A is that early on in our country's formation, the only way they could world wide wally Dec 2013 #47

The Constitution describes the method to change the 2A hack89 Dec 2013 #52

If that were true, why did the northern states incorporate the same right in their respective.. X_Digger Dec 2013 #54

sound of head exploding nt Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #60

I don't think any of those envisioned the 21st century gun fanciers' abuse of the bearing of arms. Hoyt Dec 2013 #63

Have anything actually in response to my question, or are you just going to post snark? X_Digger Dec 2013 #67

The fact is, gun fanciers are not arming up for the reasons envisioned in the 2nd Amendment, or Hoyt Dec 2013 #68

As usual- evade, distract, and obfuscate. X_Digger Dec 2013 #73

please post where I Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #75

Where, oh where, has Hoyt gone? X_Digger Dec 2013 #104

Please refer to reply #10 world wide wally Dec 2013 #111

That's not an answer. Since it was you who originally posited it, care to answer? X_Digger Dec 2013 #114

PlEase read the "other" reasons to understand why they compromised world wide wally Dec 2013 #125

That's a non-answer. X_Digger Dec 2013 #128

"Today you would be hard pressed to find any open space at all." Jenoch Dec 2013 #133

or most states Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #138

Being west of the Mississippi Jenoch Dec 2013 #141

very true Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #143

You are thinking in terms of 21st century America where open space may mean a couple square world wide wally Dec 2013 #145

You are attempting to make an extreme and Jenoch Dec 2013 #146

Kicked & recommended. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #11

K&R billh58 Dec 2013 #13

Money buys power Fred Sanders Dec 2013 #16

Take away the money from any pipoman Dec 2013 #26

Thanks for this OP. K&R. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2013 #19

Kicked! Agschmid Dec 2013 #22

Rec just for using the term "NRA Nutcases" - TBF Dec 2013 #25

please do not forget DiFi Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #29

I am glad we can agree that hand guns are an even bigger problem than assault rifles Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #31

I regret I can only rec this once etherealtruth Dec 2013 #30

Did the NRA have anything to do with the latest school shooting? LittleBlue Dec 2013 #57

*shh* You're ruining it! LAGC Dec 2013 #62

You could lose the sarcasm and help the pro-gun side a little. Just an idea. n-t Logical Dec 2013 #85

you support the NRA? nt G_j Dec 2013 #117

Not particularly. LAGC Dec 2013 #123

seems to me the biggest opponent to solutions G_j Dec 2013 #124

Nonsense. beevul Dec 2013 #126

do you support the NRA? nt G_j Dec 2013 #127

Not particularly. beevul Dec 2013 #129

not particularly? G_j Dec 2013 #130

I was a member 20+ years ago. beevul Dec 2013 #131

that was not the conversation I was involved in G_j Dec 2013 #132

These "solutions"... beevul Dec 2013 #134

There are other solutions besides restricting the particular tools that people happen to use... LAGC Dec 2013 #135

did you not read my simple statement? G_j Dec 2013 #136

Yes, the NRA has been a major obstacle to gun-related "solutions." LAGC Dec 2013 #137

it's not "my way" G_j Dec 2013 #139

Why do you choose to keep fighting them then? LAGC Dec 2013 #140

no way G_j Dec 2013 #142

All I know is that they are very effective at mobilizing their voting base. LAGC Dec 2013 #144

they invented pump shotguns Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #65

Yes, the fact that a teenager can legally go buy a gun is a result of NRA pressure for weak gun laws Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #66

An 18-year-old is old enough to vote and serve in the military. LAGC Dec 2013 #69

If you have to be 21 to drink then 21 seems reasonable to buy a weapon as well Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #72

and drive Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #78

Smoke I agree. n-t Logical Dec 2013 #86

for gods sake Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #71

A gun is not the same thing as a ballot or a car, your comparisions are ridiculous. Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #76

tell that to their families Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #80

Never suggested anything like that is OK because no gun is involved Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #88

Well the teenager is 18, so he's an adult LittleBlue Dec 2013 #79

As I have said more than once 18 year olds should not be able to buy guns Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #89

The NRA isn't exactly responsible for that LittleBlue Dec 2013 #90

It is not about the "treshold for adulthood" Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #92

up to the states Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #94

Actually the drinking age is really not up to the states Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #99

Well, you're right about that. LAGC Dec 2013 #95

Drinking is a special exception LittleBlue Dec 2013 #100

I can assure you there would be substantial support if it were proposed Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #101

Your assurance isn't what I'm looking for LittleBlue Dec 2013 #103

Give me a few hundred thousand dollars to conduct a poll and I will get that number for you Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #105

There's a pretty good argument that the drinking age should be lowered to 16. LAGC Dec 2013 #106

I would be open to such an argument, but that is for a different thread Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #109

Fair enough. LAGC Dec 2013 #113

Part of the reason the NRA has more money than the gun control advocates... Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #116

so it is your opinion Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #107

right to keep and bear drinks Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #108

But they're old enough to join the military, be deployed to a combat zone, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #119

I am no fan of our wars of aggression Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #120

Guns are LEGAL to manufacturer, sell, purchase and own. There is NO WAY to solve this problem.... Logical Dec 2013 #84

Yep, do nothing and in another decade we'll have 100 million more gunz to deal with when Hoyt Dec 2013 #97

You are maybe the least reasonable person on this topic..... Logical Dec 2013 #110

Simple, do what is best for the country, not just gun fanciers. Hoyt Dec 2013 #112

So, in the end, you have no solutions beyond the usual demagoguery? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #121

You are really not rational. Like I said, no real discussion. Just whining to whine. nt Logical Dec 2013 #122

Then they have a much better reason for having unlimited weapons in Alaska world wide wally Dec 2013 #147