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In reply to the discussion: The A***oles didn't fall far from the tree: Trumps sons pose with their dead animals [View all]ellisonz
(27,776 posts)63. How do your ears not prick up when you hear the word Zimbabwe?
...There are more worthy things to get upset about and this is part and parcel of things worthy of getting upset about, as it is pretty likely these chaps were being profited off of by the lackeys of brutal dictator. I presume you've heard of Mr. Mugabe and ZANU-PF?
Inside the hidden links between American big-game hunters and Zimbabwes Mugabe dictatorship.
By Joshua Hammer
Newsweek
Updated: 5:58 p.m. ET Jan. 13, 2006
Jan. 13, 2006 - Jocelyn Chiwenga is not a woman to be taken lightly. The wife of Gen. Constantine Chiwenga, commander-in-chief of Zimbabwes army, Mrs. Chiwenga has earned a reputation in her own right as a vicious enforcer for President Robert Mugabe and his ruling Zimbabwe African National Union-Popular Front (ZANU-PF). In April 2002 she reportedly showed up at a farm outside Harare, the capital, with an armed gang and ordered the farms white owner to turn over his property to her or be killed, according to documents filed in a Zimbabwean court. One year later, Chiwenga accosted Gugulethu Moyo, an attorney for a pro-opposition newspaper, and beat her so severely that she had to seek medical attention. Your paper wants to encourage anarchy in this country, Chiwenga reportedly shouted as she punched and slapped the 28-year-old lawyer on a Harare street. Chiwenga is as close to the center of power as you get, says David Coltart, a parliamentarian and leader of the Movement for Democratic Change, the countrys main opposition party.
She also knows how to use her power. About three years ago, Chiwenga won an auction for a coveted lease on a 220-square-mile tract of bush, owned by Zimbabwes Parks and Wildlife Authority, located just outside Hwange National Park in southwest Zimbabwe. Abounding in the Big Fivelion, elephant, Cape buffalo, leopard, and black rhinoChiwengas property has since become a choice destination for professional hunters, particularly well-heeled Americans.
Now, Chiwengas business ambitionsas well as her political clouthave brought her to the attention of the U.S. government. Last November, the Treasury Department added Chiwenga, 50, to a list of 128 Mugabe relatives and cronies who are undermining democratic processes or institutions in Zimbabwe. The Treasury Department has blocked the assets of those on the list and established penalties of up to $250,000 and 10 years imprisonment for anyone who does business with them. And that executive order has put dozens, if not hundreds, of Americans who hunt on her land in legal jeopardy.
Chiwengas sanctioning by the U.S. government has drawn new attention to the unsavory, and usually hidden, links between American sportsmen and the Mugabe dictatorship. During the past six years, Zimbabwes economy has been in free fall, with the countrys gross domestic product dropping by half and agricultural production sinking by more than 80 percent. But hunting has remained one of the countrys few thriving industries, bringing in as much as $30 million annually, according to conservationists and professional hunters in Zimbabwe. Much of that cash has gone into the coffers of ZANU-PF insiders, who have gained control of government-owned safari land at below market prices, reportedly through rigged auctions in many cases. One of Chiwengas neighbors in the Victoria Falls area is Webster Shamu, Mugabes Minister of Policy Implementation, and a key architect of Operation MurambatsvinaClean out the Rubbishthe brutal slum clearance program that has left some 700,000 poor black Zimbabweans homeless. (Shamu is among the original 77 insiders who had their assets frozen and were barred from entering the United States by the Treasury Department in 2003). Another big player is Jacob Mudenda, the former governor of Matabeleland North. All of them do a brisk business catering to professional American hunters, who make up about half of the clientele, according to industry insiders.
More: http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/jan15_2006.html
By Joshua Hammer
Newsweek
Updated: 5:58 p.m. ET Jan. 13, 2006
Jan. 13, 2006 - Jocelyn Chiwenga is not a woman to be taken lightly. The wife of Gen. Constantine Chiwenga, commander-in-chief of Zimbabwes army, Mrs. Chiwenga has earned a reputation in her own right as a vicious enforcer for President Robert Mugabe and his ruling Zimbabwe African National Union-Popular Front (ZANU-PF). In April 2002 she reportedly showed up at a farm outside Harare, the capital, with an armed gang and ordered the farms white owner to turn over his property to her or be killed, according to documents filed in a Zimbabwean court. One year later, Chiwenga accosted Gugulethu Moyo, an attorney for a pro-opposition newspaper, and beat her so severely that she had to seek medical attention. Your paper wants to encourage anarchy in this country, Chiwenga reportedly shouted as she punched and slapped the 28-year-old lawyer on a Harare street. Chiwenga is as close to the center of power as you get, says David Coltart, a parliamentarian and leader of the Movement for Democratic Change, the countrys main opposition party.
She also knows how to use her power. About three years ago, Chiwenga won an auction for a coveted lease on a 220-square-mile tract of bush, owned by Zimbabwes Parks and Wildlife Authority, located just outside Hwange National Park in southwest Zimbabwe. Abounding in the Big Fivelion, elephant, Cape buffalo, leopard, and black rhinoChiwengas property has since become a choice destination for professional hunters, particularly well-heeled Americans.
Now, Chiwengas business ambitionsas well as her political clouthave brought her to the attention of the U.S. government. Last November, the Treasury Department added Chiwenga, 50, to a list of 128 Mugabe relatives and cronies who are undermining democratic processes or institutions in Zimbabwe. The Treasury Department has blocked the assets of those on the list and established penalties of up to $250,000 and 10 years imprisonment for anyone who does business with them. And that executive order has put dozens, if not hundreds, of Americans who hunt on her land in legal jeopardy.
Chiwengas sanctioning by the U.S. government has drawn new attention to the unsavory, and usually hidden, links between American sportsmen and the Mugabe dictatorship. During the past six years, Zimbabwes economy has been in free fall, with the countrys gross domestic product dropping by half and agricultural production sinking by more than 80 percent. But hunting has remained one of the countrys few thriving industries, bringing in as much as $30 million annually, according to conservationists and professional hunters in Zimbabwe. Much of that cash has gone into the coffers of ZANU-PF insiders, who have gained control of government-owned safari land at below market prices, reportedly through rigged auctions in many cases. One of Chiwengas neighbors in the Victoria Falls area is Webster Shamu, Mugabes Minister of Policy Implementation, and a key architect of Operation MurambatsvinaClean out the Rubbishthe brutal slum clearance program that has left some 700,000 poor black Zimbabweans homeless. (Shamu is among the original 77 insiders who had their assets frozen and were barred from entering the United States by the Treasury Department in 2003). Another big player is Jacob Mudenda, the former governor of Matabeleland North. All of them do a brisk business catering to professional American hunters, who make up about half of the clientele, according to industry insiders.
More: http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/jan15_2006.html
And in case you know nothing of Zimbabwe, the abstract of the 2011 Amnesty International Annual Report on human rights in Zimbabwe:
Police continued to arbitrarily arrest and detain human rights defenders and journalists undertaking legitimate human rights work. There was some loosening of restrictions on the media and Parliament debated a bill to reform the repressive Public Order and Security Act (POSA). Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people faced persecution. The victims of the 2005 forced evictions continued to live in deplorable conditions with some being targeted for eviction or facing the threat of eviction.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/zimbabwe/report-2011
http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/zimbabwe/report-2011
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The A***oles didn't fall far from the tree: Trumps sons pose with their dead animals [View all]
n2doc
Mar 2012
OP
agreed. my brother has stupid dead dear heads in his living room - something i never understood
arely staircase
Mar 2012
#20
That's disgusting. How proud they must be...cowardly gunning a defenseless animal down.
Honeycombe8
Mar 2012
#8
Well, I haven't seen him in a looooong time, but I expect he still hunts. He's that kind.
Honeycombe8
Mar 2012
#38
My husband used to be a duck hunter and attended many camping trips with his friends.
Auntie Bush
Mar 2012
#182
That's what I always think when trophy hunters give their bullshit line about "sport"
Withywindle
Mar 2012
#59
So do these 30-something clowns have jobs or do they just sponge off The Daddy-Donald?
Gidney N Cloyd
Mar 2012
#12
From the context of the outraged posters on this thread, I don't think it *is* being used
Johnny Rico
Mar 2012
#82
I'm sure you infer it in such a way as to better validate your own outrage...
LanternWaste
Mar 2012
#96
Of course we rationalize our own emotional responses at a thing while minimizing the same in others.
LanternWaste
Mar 2012
#102
Maybe a bunch of emails with this link should be sent to them as a better way to spend their $
tabatha
Mar 2012
#37
The conservation status of the leopard is "near threatened", which is actually
Johnny Rico
Mar 2012
#47
Leopards are protected in many countries in Africa, if this was within one of those countries...
Humanist_Activist
Mar 2012
#34
Shrug. There are a lot of things more worthy of getting upset about than the legal hunting
Johnny Rico
Mar 2012
#51
I disagree with most of the posts on this thread. *That* is what makes it interesting to me.
Johnny Rico
Mar 2012
#149
I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of posters on this thread who are
Johnny Rico
Mar 2012
#87
Remember the thread about the big game commissioner who hunted a mountain lion in Idaho?
Johnny Rico
Mar 2012
#148
Does your empathy and sympathy for my visceral response have an upper limit?
Johnny Rico
Mar 2012
#104
I'm not "pro-kill" in the sense that I'm not advocating that people run out and kill leopards.
Johnny Rico
Mar 2012
#81
They could indeed do all the things you listed. Perhaps they already have.
Johnny Rico
Mar 2012
#150
Oh no! I'm being ignored after someone went to the trouble of telling me I'm be ignored!
Johnny Rico
Mar 2012
#157
The same amount of money spent to hunt the animals could have been spent for ecotourism
csziggy
Mar 2012
#79
Most of them would probably condescendingly say that it's different when local tribes
Johnny Rico
Mar 2012
#90
I've read that locals will eat leopard, lion, etc., when the meat is donated.
Johnny Rico
Mar 2012
#121
Given that information, it sounds as if limited hunting of the species is fine.
Johnny Rico
Mar 2012
#113
"Limited hunting", i.e., "limited" to the ultra-wealthy who have absolute scads
bullwinkle428
Mar 2012
#124
like anyone would cite "the circle of life" if there was even the remotest chance that they'd be on
MisterP
Mar 2012
#138
Daddy Trump: I am not a believer in hunting and I'm surprised they like it."
Liberal_in_LA
Mar 2012
#133
Typical Trump - throwing his kids under the bus so his precious image won't be tainted
bullwinkle428
Mar 2012
#193
Kinda wish Lazarus Kitty would come back to life and administer some instant karma
Blue Owl
Mar 2012
#135
What about big game tours, photography tours vs killing animal tours? They would bring in a lot of
uppityperson
Mar 2012
#183
that leopard can be hunted many times over - for photography- those sacks of shit need shaming
certainot
Mar 2012
#168
those guys aren't there to help starving africans but i see what you're saying, to some degree.
certainot
Mar 2012
#180
their wound rate would be higher with arrows etc. and it would actually take balls as opposed to
certainot
Mar 2012
#186
i was thinking more of a leopard- this guy is still an asshole, with a young buffalo wondering what
certainot
Mar 2012
#196
i'd rather see these 'tough' guys have to do these hunts with bows and arrows and spears
certainot
Mar 2012
#178