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Paladin

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47. I've given up on reaching some compromise on the gun issue.

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 08:55 PM

Dec 2013

I guess it was Newtown that finally did it, for me. There's no civilized, productive discourse to be had on the matter, any more. At some point in the future---probably after I'm dead and gone---there will be enough school massacres and political assassinations to sufficiently animate the American public, and then we'll see the sort of restrictions put in place that have been needed for so long. In the meantime, I'll continue to take part in the online discussions over firearms policy, for the entertainment value. I'll continue to vote for individuals who I think will vote the right way on gun policy. I'll give my guns a once-a-year cleaning and put them back in the closet. And I'll do all that without any expectation that things are going to get better any time soon with regard to firearms policy in this country. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I've been at this a long time, and my expectations are realistically low.

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One year after Sandy Hook, a search for civility [View all] derby378 Dec 2013 OP

I hope posters could be civil here Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #1

There's an old saying that guides me here... derby378 Dec 2013 #5

Of course. "Both sides" are to blame. DanTex Dec 2013 #2

You've proven the need for the OP quite nicely derby378 Dec 2013 #3

Exactly. And the same principle extends to all other issues as well. DanTex Dec 2013 #4

Stop the Brainy Smurfing for one moment and come up for air derby378 Dec 2013 #6

But you have touched on a universal principle of centrism! DanTex Dec 2013 #10

If you're going to put words in my mouth instead of taking my advice... derby378 Dec 2013 #11

Not putting words in your mouth at all. DanTex Dec 2013 #14

My wife would have laughed at you for calling me "center-right" derby378 Dec 2013 #32

Well, your views on guns are center-right (at least). DanTex Dec 2013 #35

From my perspective, it's classic liberalism (re: George Orwell) derby378 Dec 2013 #37

Unfettered free markets are also "classical liberalism" in certain circles. DanTex Dec 2013 #43

Actually that is a principle of liberalism. aikoaiko Dec 2013 #12

BINGO. derby378 Dec 2013 #16

Exactly. Absolute tolerance. DanTex Dec 2013 #18

How do you feel about the ACLU? LAGC Dec 2013 #29

I think that racists and gun nuts have every right to free speech. DanTex Dec 2013 #30

It seems to be more than just "gun nuts" that are being criticized all too often. LAGC Dec 2013 #33

First of all 40% of registered Democrats are not gun owners. DanTex Dec 2013 #34

Excuse me, 40% of Democrats and "leaners." LAGC Dec 2013 #36

First, in their home/on their property doesn't mean "gun owner". DanTex Dec 2013 #40

Fair enough, I concede the point. LAGC Dec 2013 #41

It's a political problem. DanTex Dec 2013 #44

Fuck civility. We need to make our communities safer. TransitJohn Dec 2013 #7

Then what do you propose? derby378 Dec 2013 #8

They haven't achieved anything because of the gun lobby. alarimer Dec 2013 #49

Without civil discourse, that's never going to happen. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #9

I was afraid this would happen Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #13

This thread is just thinly disguised gunner triumphalism alcibiades_mystery Dec 2013 #17

Because forcing the other guy down on his knees is a hallmark of liberalism derby378 Dec 2013 #20

Yes alcibiades_mystery Dec 2013 #21

It's not my problem if you believe force trumps reasonable discourse derby378 Dec 2013 #22

I'm all for compliance with laws, but you don't have the law. aikoaiko Dec 2013 #38

Inappropriate post imo and I hope you reconsider when tempers have calmed. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2013 #23

"gunner triumphalism?" eqfan592 Dec 2013 #24

Some folks look at Lt. Worf and only see the Klingon, not the uniform he wears derby378 Dec 2013 #25

Great Star Trek reference. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #26

I like this post! TransitJohn Dec 2013 #31

You get it, I get it, most of us get it, but the lying liars just keep on lying nonetheless. nt Electric Monk Dec 2013 #45

How well has "fuck civility" worked so far? pintobean Dec 2013 #19

We haven't tried it. All we've done is be civil. TransitJohn Dec 2013 #59

That's a nice OP, Derby. aikoaiko Dec 2013 #15

Don't worry Derby, they'll find the need for civility... beevul Dec 2013 #27

I guess in rememberance of Sandy Hook Cabelas sent out a sale doc03 Dec 2013 #28

Could you check the flyer for .45 ACP? I'm looking for a bargain... Decaffeinated Dec 2013 #50

There aren't any bargins in Cabelas, I can get about anything they sell doc03 Dec 2013 #53

might just be a Christmas sale Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #51

Do I have to explain there was a hint of sarcasm in that post. Just ironic doc03 Dec 2013 #54

Nothing says "Love, Peace and Joy" like magazines and ammo! neverforget Dec 2013 #56

It's tough bein civil to folks with such little regard for society that they carry, accumulate gunz, Hoyt Dec 2013 #39

Well, I wish you'd have the chance to talk with some of my Moms Demand Action neighbors... derby378 Dec 2013 #42

I love you guys, sans gunz. Hoyt Dec 2013 #46

I've given up on reaching some compromise on the gun issue. Paladin Dec 2013 #47

This is maybe the stupidest thing I've read all day alarimer Dec 2013 #48

took a while Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #52

An in such an ironic setting, too! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #57

Have you ever been able to pintobean Dec 2013 #55

The most counterproductive strategy possible. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #58

Passive aggressiveness = not civil in my book nt laundry_queen Dec 2013 #60