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Octafish

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9. For those not clear on the concept: Assassination has no place in Democracy.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:53 AM
Dec 2013

According to the testimony of CIA officials, the first U.S. resort to assassination of a foreign leader was initiated in 1960, when Richard Bissell, in the belief he had the explicit backing of Allen Dulles, and at least the implicit approval of President Eisenhower, undertook to bring about the murder of Patrice Lumumba, prime minister of the newly independent Congo.

…Bissell was frustrated by the refusal, on moral grounds, of one trusted agent to participate in the killing. Believing that “murder corrupts,” Michael Mulroney, a senior officer, said, no to Bissell. He argued that if Lumumba had to be eliminated, the Congolese government or military should do it, which appears to be what happened (after CIA urging). To the Senate committee, Mulroney explained that on reflection he concluded, “We have too much of the ‘good German’ in us, in that we do something because the boss says it is okay.” His colleagues were “not essentially evil people. But you can do an awful lot of wrong in this.”

-- Harris Wofford, former United States Senator (D-Pennsylvania), “Of Kennedys and Kings: Making Sense of the Sixties” (pp. 390-391)

PS: Assassination is an act of war. I don't recall declaring war on Congo or Cuba or anyplace else it's been done in our name.

PPS. No shame in hitting Box Cars, anytime.

We better pray that our Democratic candidate in 2016 is a Democrat. nt NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #1
Yes. A good Democrat. Octafish Dec 2013 #2
... SidDithers Dec 2013 #3
So, apart from ridicule, nothing to add, SidDithers? Octafish Dec 2013 #4
I think Sid thinks Dan Hardway is a professional craps player hootinholler Dec 2013 #5
For those not clear on the concept: Assassination has no place in Democracy. Octafish Dec 2013 #9
It's hard to argue against facts, so have a little sympathy for those who try so hard to distract sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #21
When you can't argue hootinholler Dec 2013 #22
I suppose, but it's a bit futile to try to hide facts because they have a way of surfacing even if sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #24
Sid likes to dither... It's in his nature, and name. SpcMnky Dec 2013 #14
... SidDithers Dec 2013 #17
You are most welcome, SpcMnky! Octafish Dec 2013 #23
The Guardian had something weird on Joannides a few years back starroute Dec 2013 #6
People at Duquesne asked Jefferson Morley and David Talbot about Los Angeles... Octafish Dec 2013 #8
check this out....review of Morley's book about Joannides. this thread reminded me of Winston Scott Gabi Hayes Dec 2013 #12
Thank you for the heads-up, Gabi Hayes! CTKA does not hold back, even for one of its own... Octafish Dec 2013 #28
Mary Meyer was the person to whom I referred, re: Angleton swooping in on the scene after her Gabi Hayes Dec 2013 #29
Gaeton Fonzi responds to Bugliosi's prosecutor's brief, I mean book: Gabi Hayes Dec 2013 #33
"Maurice Bishop...was David Atlee Phillips" Gabi Hayes Dec 2013 #34
Thanks for the heads-up, Gabi-san. A couple of threads on DU brought it up... Octafish Dec 2013 #35
hey! my painting! just goes to show what a bit of moldy rye will do to your perspective. wonder Gabi Hayes Dec 2013 #36
Reply From a Conspiracy Believer Octafish Dec 2013 #37
UnLocking. greytdemocrat Dec 2013 #7
Kick to restore. johnnyreb Dec 2013 #10
More from Dan Hardway's presentation... Octafish Dec 2013 #19
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #11
What a former CIA agent said to the Congressional investigators... Octafish Dec 2013 #20
I remember being flabbergasted by deMohrenschildt's demise, as well as the rest of his story, Gabi Hayes Dec 2013 #30
Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #13
Thought you were locking these... SidDithers Dec 2013 #15
What's it to ya? Octafish Dec 2013 #16
It Can't Happen A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2013 #18
Redacted from Lopez Report Octafish Dec 2013 #25
Thank you, Octafish. I appreciate all the information you bring from the Duquesne Conference. Zen Democrat Dec 2013 #26
Presenting sponsor was the Heinz History Center, a Smithsonian affiliated institution... Octafish Dec 2013 #27
K&R n/t JohnyCanuck Dec 2013 #31
A great DUer told me to turn on the CBC... Octafish Dec 2013 #38
K&R for the unlock. SixString Dec 2013 #32
Douglas Horne of the ARRB sees JFK at war with the national security establishment... Octafish Dec 2013 #39
Thank you. SixString Dec 2013 #41
It's no wonder the CIA/former OSS team would obsfucate, obstruct and obliterate the HSCA bobthedrummer Dec 2013 #40
Thank you, bobthedrummer! Readers are Leaders... Octafish Dec 2013 #42
Thank you for the "what that means" hyperlink. The National Security Archive is a trusted site for bobthedrummer Dec 2013 #43
The Garrison Commission: On the Assassination of President Kennedy Octafish Dec 2013 #45
K&R for the unlock Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #44
Thank you, Waiting For Everyman. Ripples... Octafish Dec 2013 #46
A lot of good info throughout the o.p. and replies. Mc Mike Dec 2013 #47
6-member Duquesne Media Panel ALL said the topic is taboo in national news media. Octafish Dec 2013 #48
History written by the 'winners'. Mc Mike Dec 2013 #56
I didn't realize it was ever locked. Raksha Dec 2013 #50
See post 7, Rak. Mc Mike Dec 2013 #54
K & R Raksha Dec 2013 #49
Congress is the People and CIA lied to it and us. Octafish Dec 2013 #51
"As a Democrat, a DUer and as a citizen of the United States"..... Logical Dec 2013 #52
They are words that express why I wrote the OP. Octafish Dec 2013 #53
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #55
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