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belcffub

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71. pretty sure it doesn't work that way....

Tue Mar 13, 2012, 08:12 AM

Mar 2012

My uncle did a couple of Africa big game hunts back in the 90's...

they went three times to get a leopard... the local tribe that he used for guides were paid about $5k each trip... all of the meat was eaten by the tribe... the lodging conditions were third world...

the cape buffalo required 4 shots to drop... when it finally did it was about 20 feet from them...

the permitting system cost around $20k per trip for the different animals they took...

so in three trips he transferred $75k + incidentals (lodging, travel, shopping, etc) to the country and it's people.

I am not into the Big Game thing but do hunt deer. I do have a gun case made out of the Cape Buffalo hide. I do doubt that I will in my life have as large an economic impact as my uncle did on the country, tribe or people.

He is obviously pretty wealthy. Through his daughter he's the prime finical backer of an organization she runs that combats child sex slave industry in southeast asia (which is where she lives). He's pretty conservative... His daughter as liberal as they come...

EDITED :: before anyone asks I do not remember which country he went to... it was back in the early to mid 90's - Tanzania rings a bell... but I could be wrong...

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Assholes. AtomicKitten Mar 2012 #1

+1 ellisonz Mar 2012 #57

Well of course EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2012 #2

Sickening pics. alittlelark Mar 2012 #3

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I've never understood the point of big game hunting. xmas74 Mar 2012 #4

Point Zanzoobar Mar 2012 #7

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Leopards are endangered and protected in many African countries SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #46

"Zimbabwe is where these assholes went." ellisonz Mar 2012 #58

Bingo. geardaddy Mar 2012 #109

omg, killing for the fun of it wendylaroux Mar 2012 #5

+1,000,000 Auggie Mar 2012 #15

Disgusting pigs. polly7 Mar 2012 #6

Pigs are not parasitical murdering scum. Trump brats are. aquart Mar 2012 #24

You're right, and my apologies to pigs. polly7 Mar 2012 #53

That's disgusting. How proud they must be...cowardly gunning a defenseless animal down. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #8

Has he taken up photography? Control-Z Mar 2012 #9

Well, I haven't seen him in a looooong time, but I expect he still hunts. He's that kind. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #38

Not sure why, but that really cracked me up. Control-Z Mar 2012 #195

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Your husband sounds like a good guy. Control-Z Mar 2012 #194

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Man, they look like assholes. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #10

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"Hunting for Legends" - Living for God. Yeecch. tabatha Mar 2012 #13

This is lovely nobodyspecial Mar 2012 #21

Oh God! That first photo made me audibly gasp. Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #14

I hate them! frogmarch Mar 2012 #16

You can't murder a non-human animal, except metaphorically. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #39

Look! Someone being pedantic on the internet! sudopod Mar 2012 #56

Murder frogmarch Mar 2012 #65

And why should we not use it metaphorically? LanternWaste Mar 2012 #74

From the context of the outraged posters on this thread, I don't think it *is* being used Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #82

I'm sure you infer it in such a way as to better validate your own outrage... LanternWaste Mar 2012 #96

I'm not outraged at anyone. Not the hunters nor the posters. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #99

Of course we rationalize our own emotional responses at a thing while minimizing the same in others. LanternWaste Mar 2012 #102

So who's rationalizing? I'm amused...I freely admit it. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #105

... SammyWinstonJack Mar 2012 #98

Your sig line is giving you away. geardaddy Mar 2012 #111

Really? What's it giving away? I'm rather curious. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #119

Shhh Don't Let Him Know What We Know! HangOnKids Mar 2012 #130

Nah, he is fooling everyone here. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #179

oh! so sad! JitterbugPerfume Mar 2012 #17

Sick basturds. Aren't big cats endangered?! femmocrat Mar 2012 #18

Don't know for sure about others but the Cheetah is.. SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #28

That is a leopard. tabatha Mar 2012 #29

Thanks... SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #31

Maybe a bunch of emails with this link should be sent to them as a better way to spend their $ tabatha Mar 2012 #37

The conservation status of the leopard is "near threatened", which is actually Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #47

Disgusting. How nineteenth century of them. Cleita Mar 2012 #19

So they're "manly" because they can kill endangered species? ProfessionalLeftist Mar 2012 #22

THEY KILLED A LEOPARD????????????????????????????????????? aquart Mar 2012 #23

Why? They broke no laws. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #26

Leopards are protected in many countries in Africa, if this was within one of those countries... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #34

They were hunting in Zimbabwe, where leopard hunting is legal. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #43

Which doesn't make either of them any smaller of a douche. Occulus Mar 2012 #50

Shrug. There are a lot of things more worthy of getting upset about than the legal hunting Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #51

Which is why you're all over this thread, huh Mr. McDollar? lol nt sudopod Mar 2012 #60

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #68

*I'm* not the one who's upset, am I? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #85

there's a word for posting about things that you don't care about sudopod Mar 2012 #139

I disagree with most of the posts on this thread. *That* is what makes it interesting to me. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #149

That's cause you find it fun... surfdog Mar 2012 #162

Ah, but I *don't* find it fun. Other people do, to which I'm indifferent. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #165

How do your ears not prick up when you hear the word Zimbabwe? ellisonz Mar 2012 #63

Well done, ellisonz, thanks for this well-researched reply... Surya Gayatri Mar 2012 #67

I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of posters on this thread who are Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #87

You should try and show some understanding... ellisonz Mar 2012 #127

Remember the thread about the big game commissioner who hunted a mountain lion in Idaho? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #148

Yes. ellisonz Mar 2012 #151

You just asked me to violate the rules of this forum. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #156

Then shit or get off the pot. ellisonz Mar 2012 #172

My, my...someone's cranky this morning! Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #173

I imagine that as both empathy and sympathy are without a practical limit LanternWaste Mar 2012 #75

Of course empathy and sympathy have a practical limit. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #84

what then is the precise and objective upper limit? LanternWaste Mar 2012 #100

Does your empathy and sympathy for my visceral response have an upper limit? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #104

When they get to the pearly gates I hope God says: Booster Mar 2012 #25

I think She will. Withywindle Mar 2012 #61

As disgusting as their father, GROSS! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2012 #27

Oink Oink... WillyT Mar 2012 #30

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh. This pisses me off!! Glimmer of Hope Mar 2012 #32

Killing a leopard for no reason at all. MrSlayer Mar 2012 #33

OMG, he reproduced? Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #35

a daughter too... Phentex Mar 2012 #170

Yea. They're real men! Lint Head Mar 2012 #36

Idiots graywarrior Mar 2012 #40

They shot a freaking ELEPHANT & TIGER?? FOR FUN??? Doremus Mar 2012 #41

I'm curious...how exactly are these animals going to get their "revenge"? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #44

Johnny Rich, I have an idea...why don't you take your Surya Gayatri Mar 2012 #66

I'm not "pro-kill" in the sense that I'm not advocating that people run out and kill leopards. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #81

Except that killing large game has an impact on biodiversity and the morningfog Mar 2012 #83

Which is why hunting *endangered* species should be illegal. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #94

Hunting is BIG Business in Africa... MicaelS Mar 2012 #103

+1000 Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #107

"Animals, which ARE a renewable resource." ellisonz Mar 2012 #125

This activity is not hunting SOS Mar 2012 #106

It's certainly not particularly challenging, I'll give you that. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #108

Yes they can...and we can call them dickheads for it. CJCRANE Mar 2012 #128

They could indeed do all the things you listed. Perhaps they already have. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #150

Really? HangOnKids Mar 2012 #153

Oh no! I'm being ignored after someone went to the trouble of telling me I'm be ignored! Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #157

That makes me want to kick the shit out of that small genitaled rich boy Generic Other Mar 2012 #42

the picture is gross. iemitsu Mar 2012 #45

I think of pictures I would not like taken of myself Generic Other Mar 2012 #147

Big Bad Hunters on paid safari SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #48

pretty sure it doesn't work that way.... belcffub Mar 2012 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author belcffub Mar 2012 #77

The same amount of money spent to hunt the animals could have been spent for ecotourism csziggy Mar 2012 #79

but it wouldn't belcffub Mar 2012 #118

^this geardaddy Mar 2012 #134

Not shocked. laundry_queen Mar 2012 #49

Wow, showing off for killing an animal from 200 yards away! N-t Logical Mar 2012 #52

Although it would still be needless... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #89

I agree. Or a knife! Barehanded would be 100% fair. Logical Mar 2012 #141

Those can't be Trump's sons. They have normal hair. proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #54

Disgusting fucking fuckwits. lonestarnot Mar 2012 #55

All hail the Great White Hunters! nt MrScorpio Mar 2012 #62

ZANU-PF supporting scum... ellisonz Mar 2012 #64

I'll dedicate a song to the assholes Tabasco_Dave Mar 2012 #69

The moronic, spoiled idiots are getting serious flak for this. Good. Darth_Kitten Mar 2012 #70

so repugnant Voice for Peace Mar 2012 #72

Horrible... trumad Mar 2012 #73

horrible Liberal_in_LA Mar 2012 #132

last night.... belcffub Mar 2012 #181

disgusting mother fuckers certainot Mar 2012 #76

So would all the people above also feel the same belcffub Mar 2012 #78

Most of them would probably condescendingly say that it's different when local tribes Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #90

So, you're saying there's not a difference between subsitence hunting joeybee12 Mar 2012 #114

There's certainly a difference in motivation. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #116

are these canned hunts belcffub Mar 2012 #117

so classy stuntcat Mar 2012 #80

Trophy hunting is a vile practice. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #86

As per the story, the meat was donated to the locals. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #93

uhhh, yeah.... Leopard meat is not particularly edible. alittlelark Mar 2012 #120

I've read that locals will eat leopard, lion, etc., when the meat is donated. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #121

What absolute scum.... joeybee12 Mar 2012 #88

Leopards aren't "very endangered". Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #92

Um.... joeybee12 Mar 2012 #110

Given that information, it sounds as if limited hunting of the species is fine. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #113

"Limited hunting", i.e., "limited" to the ultra-wealthy who have absolute scads bullwinkle428 Mar 2012 #124

um... so belcffub Mar 2012 #143

It's an expensive hobby. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #145

weird fascisthunter Mar 2012 #160

Get help...for what, exactly? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #163

Disgusting Marrah_G Mar 2012 #91

Burn in Hell, you despicable a$$hole$! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2012 #95

Words fail. The Backlash Cometh Mar 2012 #97

I can't say what I want to about these ignoramuses siligut Mar 2012 #101

Their dad has been wearing a dead animal on his head for years. n/t Ganja Ninja Mar 2012 #112

Just goes to show you cannot Rex Mar 2012 #115

Makes you wish the leopard and buffalo were able to fire off a few rounds. marmar Mar 2012 #122

like anyone would cite "the circle of life" if there was even the remotest chance that they'd be on MisterP Mar 2012 #138

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #123

Paradoxically, this may be good for the animals JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2012 #126

what I was trying to see in my posts above... belcffub Mar 2012 #129

Trump Sons look a lot like Romney Sons JI7 Mar 2012 #131

Daddy Trump: I am not a believer in hunting and I'm surprised they like it." Liberal_in_LA Mar 2012 #133

Typical Trump - throwing his kids under the bus so his precious image won't be tainted bullwinkle428 Mar 2012 #193

Kinda wish Lazarus Kitty would come back to life and administer some instant karma Blue Owl Mar 2012 #135

As an animal lover and animal rights advocate, RebelOne Mar 2012 #136

At least a buffalo can be eaten hifiguy Mar 2012 #137

Wimps! hamsterjill Mar 2012 #140

I think you meant "grisly" because I don't see any bears. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #142

ughh senseandsensibility Mar 2012 #144

Voice your thoughts on The Apprentice message board. -PITBOSS- Mar 2012 #146

DISGUSTING Raine Mar 2012 #152

The scream of the self-righteous infadel Mar 2012 #154

great post belcffub Mar 2012 #158

boohoohoo... they against big game hunting for the ultra rich losers fascisthunter Mar 2012 #161

What about big game tours, photography tours vs killing animal tours? They would bring in a lot of uppityperson Mar 2012 #183

disgusting but hardly new. Teddy Roosevelt did it too when he went to Africa. WI_DEM Mar 2012 #155

How Manly! fascisthunter Mar 2012 #159

The more I hear and learn about the Trumps. MichaelMcGuire Mar 2012 #164

What a beautiful leopard and what a shame to die like that LynneSin Mar 2012 #166

here's my problem with this line of logic belcffub Mar 2012 #167

that leopard can be hunted many times over - for photography- those sacks of shit need shaming certainot Mar 2012 #168

is there a shortage of leopards for photography belcffub Mar 2012 #169

theere is a shortage for leopards FOR EVERYTHING certainot Mar 2012 #171

leopard shortages infadel Mar 2012 #174

those guys aren't there to help starving africans but i see what you're saying, to some degree. certainot Mar 2012 #180

The Natives are getting paid to track them infadel Mar 2012 #185

their wound rate would be higher with arrows etc. and it would actually take balls as opposed to certainot Mar 2012 #186

there are hunters who go spear hunting over there belcffub Mar 2012 #187

i was thinking more of a leopard- this guy is still an asshole, with a young buffalo wondering what certainot Mar 2012 #196

This is an actual industry for them belcffub Mar 2012 #188

Are photographers' fees being used for conservation areas? JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2012 #176

i'd rather see these 'tough' guys have to do these hunts with bows and arrows and spears certainot Mar 2012 #178

You mean "The Shit Doesn't Fall Too Far from the Ass".... BlueDemKev Mar 2012 #175

Man, the rich sure do have some fucked up hobbies. The Midway Rebel Mar 2012 #177

That explains a lot KamaAina Mar 2012 #184

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #189

Way, way over the limit. MineralMan Mar 2012 #190

Do you want to see the real evil hurting wildlife? infadel Mar 2012 #191

How long have you been a vedge? naughty nina Mar 2012 #192