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etherealtruth

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21. Cops are specifically trained and practiced (admittedly not well practiced)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:03 PM

Dec 2013

As are the military.

Teachers have more than enough on their plates than to have to endure militaristic training ... which I do not approve of, even if they were so inclined. School is not prison ... and children should not be put in a situation where they are treated as if it were.

The problem is societal .... schools are generally very safe places. A child is more likely to be accidentally shot with a gun in the home vs. shot at school (do a Wolfram Alpha search) or start comparison here http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/813708

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Inside a School Where Teachers Pack Heat [View all] BainsBane Dec 2013 OP

gun owners just need to stop shooting kids. nt msongs Dec 2013 #1

Or stop telling us how how responsible they are... LanternWaste Dec 2013 #4

The vast, VAST majority are. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #17

When they... AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #100

is that the vast majority Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #101

Why don't the 'vast majority' of gun owners AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #107

Both of those may be in poor taste.... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #104

Poor taste? AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #110

Complicit in what? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #111

So you do buy into it AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #116

If by "buy into it" you mean I think we should have trained personnel at schools... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #119

By buy into it I mean AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #120

Well, how anybody can shut down the reasoning center of their brain... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #123

There is no reason to RW talking points AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #124

fuck that Oscarmonster13 Dec 2013 #2

It's national insanity BainsBane Dec 2013 #3

"Finish the Job" and Expand the Brady Law to Online and Gun Show Sales Now napkinz Dec 2013 #5

I bought a gun online Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #6

It's funny how the myth of online sales with no background check Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #7

because it's not a myth BainsBane Dec 2013 #10

Please show us? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #12

They don't want to acknowledge the sales Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #16

I posted my real life experience Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #14

Do you know what? BainsBane Dec 2013 #28

So duckhunter posted above that it is federal law that Internet and gunshow purchases Packerowner740 Dec 2013 #49

Various percentages are given in the media BainsBane Dec 2013 #68

Soooo the 40% claim isn't actually verifiable Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #69

"It doesn't matter which I quote because you will call it a lie" Packerowner740 Dec 2013 #73

That's a typical response to anyone who questions her dubious claims. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #114

Oh, ok thanks Packerowner740 Dec 2013 #125

When you "quote" something that you fabricated from thin air, that's a "lie." cleanhippie Dec 2013 #113

I'd love to see one link, just one to a website Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #15

Okay BainsBane Dec 2013 #23

That website doesn't sell a single gun. Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #30

It advertises guns for sale BainsBane Dec 2013 #89

Ummm nooo, the seller is still required Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #91

Then why did the NRA spend millions to defeat background check legislation? BainsBane Dec 2013 #92

Nobody said no guns were sold without them Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #95

A reaction to pushing gun control for the sake of gun control, perhaps. beevul Dec 2013 #127

an online newspaper classified ad Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #43

did you read this from your site? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #48

wow, is that like clicking that you are 18 to read porn? BainsBane Dec 2013 #90

The claim was that they were sold over the internet Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #93

they will never understand Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #97

Nope. Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #99

You know that all online sales have to go through a gun dealer - it is Federal law. Nt hack89 Dec 2013 #18

Shhhhh...you'll upset the unicorns Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #19

'Online' sales across state lines require an FFL, or those where the seller petronius Dec 2013 #36

Private party gun sales do not require background checks Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #40

yes the do Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #45

I'm in VA. Private party sales are exempt Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #62

Right - as long as the state allows private party sales, and the transaction is petronius Dec 2013 #46

Well if we're talking about a legal means to buy a gun Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #56

Perhaps it is merely a semantic issue hack89 Dec 2013 #50

Yep Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #55

You can go through an FFL right now. You should not be able to do a background Hoyt Dec 2013 #70

You're right, "online sale" does seem to have a flexible definition which petronius Dec 2013 #63

If I were to sell a gun, I'd pay and FFL holder wercal Dec 2013 #65

Then why do we keep seeing that 40% don't? Packerowner740 Dec 2013 #53

Because Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #64

Those are private sales - a completely separate issue hack89 Dec 2013 #71

Yes, the old "all kinds of evidence" that nobody ever seems to have seen... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #22

look above BainsBane Dec 2013 #24

That website doesn't sell guns. Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #35

Got a link to "all kinds of evidence showing it occurs all the time"? seveneyes Dec 2013 #47

You are correct that an on line gun sale is completed frequently firsttimer Dec 2013 #87

I've bought several guns online with no background check - all pre 1898 firearms tularetom Dec 2013 #72

You can also buy a black powder from Cabelas shipped to your home but firsttimer Dec 2013 #94

You are correct Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #98

No way. I would yank my kids if the teachers started carrying guns nt riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #8

Me too. I find this concept just so bizarre. n/t demmiblue Dec 2013 #26

.... because teachers are not human beings ...? etherealtruth Dec 2013 #9

Neither are cops ...? oldhippie Dec 2013 #11

Cops are specifically trained and practiced (admittedly not well practiced) etherealtruth Dec 2013 #21

I agree that teachers shouldn't have to undergo militaristic training. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #27

i have strong faith in the fact that you would not mind it etherealtruth Dec 2013 #29

And I have strong faith in your inability to hold a rational discussion of the issue. nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #32

I believe you feel that way etherealtruth Dec 2013 #34

Please read on line tonight's PBS News, and its story on school shootings. Thanks. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #41

I couldn't find that but I did find a link to NPR's story ... etherealtruth Dec 2013 #52

My goof! I meant PBS Newshour for tonight... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #106

I'm afraid that if you actually saw the amount of gun training ..... oldhippie Dec 2013 #33

I have a little insight and I am appalled etherealtruth Dec 2013 #37

Well they are fantastic at tazering and shooting service dogs. Glassunion Dec 2013 #76

That's just it ... etherealtruth Dec 2013 #77

It's a numbers game. Glassunion Dec 2013 #78

So wait, you're saying that by disallowing teachers from legally carrying... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #20

Yes, I know you are extremely devoted to guns etherealtruth Dec 2013 #25

I've posted plenty on other topics. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #31

Do you honestly believe what I did was "lash out?" etherealtruth Dec 2013 #39

Then use the search function. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #44

It's not worth using the search function etherealtruth Dec 2013 #60

They are a failure because we just need more gun nuts to keep us safe from the gun nuts Major Nikon Dec 2013 #54

It would be Ok with me ..... oldhippie Dec 2013 #13

Yahoos with guns is the problem. Hoyt Dec 2013 #74

Right, it's the yahoos that are the problem. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #115

Yahoos + their gunz. We don't agree on gunz. Hoyt Dec 2013 #117

What's a gunz? cleanhippie Dec 2013 #118

Thank god there was armed security at Arapahoe High. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #38

I would pull my kid out of any school where any one was packing a firearm even Cleita Dec 2013 #42

What about stepping up security in all public schools? What about supporting >> YOHABLO Dec 2013 #51

I understand Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #58

Wouldn't bother me with an acceptable certification... Decaffeinated Dec 2013 #57

NRA certification, no doubt. Hoyt Dec 2013 #75

Another brilliant NRA idea. Armed rent-a-cops in schools Major Nikon Dec 2013 #81

Yep. And many of the gun fanciers would like to see "gun safety" taught by NRA Hoyt Dec 2013 #82

I would prefer the local law enforcement activity and Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #83

Politics and policy aside... They are the current standard... Decaffeinated Dec 2013 #84

That's what we need, some NRA gun promoters lying to our kids. Hoyt Dec 2013 #86

Do you actually listen to, and believe the nonsense you spout? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #122

Fine with me Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #59

It would be really nice if discussions about guns on DU weren't dominated by a half dozen loons. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #61

I agree Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #66

*cough* LeftyMom Dec 2013 #67

And I could easily name the half-dozen ..... oldhippie Dec 2013 #85

No, I wouldn't want my school teachers carrying guns. No, I wouldn't feel my kids are safer there. ancianita Dec 2013 #79

I'm just glad my kids are all over 18 and I don't have to worry quite as much anymore Packerowner740 Dec 2013 #102

Mine, too, but I still worry about the public's kids. To me they should still be a worry for all ancianita Dec 2013 #103

Fair questions sarisataka Dec 2013 #80

I don't like the idea of armed teachers. rrneck Dec 2013 #88

When seconds matter and lives are are stake seveneyes Dec 2013 #96

I would rather see tougher measures in how someone can access a school firsttimer Dec 2013 #105

Yeah, what's going to stop a group of kids from tackling this jackass down and stealing his gun? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #108

I would be willing to bet that most of those kids that go to that small school in firsttimer Dec 2013 #109

His gun gives him supper human powers of stupidity.... so... he'll just deny they did it uponit7771 Dec 2013 #112

I don't think this is a good idea. HappyMe Dec 2013 #121

Stupid in so many ways.... Bigmack Dec 2013 #126