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DirkGently

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300. This whole argument is a mess.

Tue Dec 17, 2013, 03:46 PM

Dec 2013

I think it's a fine point to make that victim-blaming is a huge problem, and that we need far more cultural conversation about men (in particular) understanding and talking about and fully absorbing the fact that there is no "rape rape" or "legitimate rape," but rather, "There is consensual sex between conscious, aware adults making a mutal decision, and there is the crime of sexual assault."

But are anti-rape "tips" for women really the point of the fallacious spear? The little graphic above is kind of sneaky with its "don't dress / act / go." Isn't that something assholes say and think, rather than what we actually purport to teach?

"Be self-aware and be prepared to spot, and stop, and if need be hurt someone that might target you, because rape is a crime that occurs" for example, isn't victim blaming, is it?

Shouldn't we teach that, right alongside, "Rape is rape?"

Just seems to me that this framing lures in a lot of hair splitting and knee-jerk contrarianism.

Don't we all actually agree that the problem is rape culture, but the solutions include everything we can do to stop it?

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Men should be offended . . . [View all] Triana Dec 2013 OP

im more offended by people saying that im raping my wife if we have sex after getting drunk leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #1

Who's saying that? radiclib Dec 2013 #10

He's trying to argue... CSStrowbridge Dec 2013 #53

that's funny no it's not my wife. there was a whole discussion here about this leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #132

Let me see if I understand you radiclib Dec 2013 #134

He's I think JackInGreen Dec 2013 #156

what he and others with this line are doing, is dismissing raping drunk, unconscious, unable to give seabeyond Dec 2013 #157

I've heard many others here, including you, make that very argument. EOTE Dec 2013 #158

post it. you are wrong. you NEVER heard me make the argument. post it. didnt happen seabeyond Dec 2013 #160

And if I do, would you admit you're full of crap? EOTE Dec 2013 #171

i have never said it. you threw shit out figuring it would stick. reality is, i didnt say. ever. seabeyond Dec 2013 #173

Read it and weep. Or read it and reminisce. Whichever floats your boat. EOTE Dec 2013 #174

ya. i said it was promoting raping an unconscious woman. that this is what our society seabeyond Dec 2013 #176

Unconscious women can't say "Don't stop fucking me." EOTE Dec 2013 #184

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #204

Ha, thanks for the update. And she did, in fact, say that it's a male's wet dream to have sex with EOTE Dec 2013 #209

I'd bet a coke all of your posts in this thread were alerted on Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #230

And I have a feeling you'd be one coke richer. EOTE Dec 2013 #232

Thats like... the worst kind of sex. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #250

It was movie, for Christ's sake! An idiotic (if mildly amusing) comedy film. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #328

ha... reading gwenolyn, i realize who she is on the new and improved du3. i know the poster seabeyond Dec 2013 #179

O, goodness! chervilant Dec 2013 #183

Ask myself if a woman saying that it's a man's wet dream to fuck something doesn't move is sexist? EOTE Dec 2013 #185

Your derision and condescension chervilant Dec 2013 #299

ha, didnt even read that. i dont read his posts. says i say sex with drunk wife is rape. seabeyond Dec 2013 #186

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #188

It may be offensive, but it is a fetish. moriah Dec 2013 #214

Thanks for teaching me a new word... EOTE Dec 2013 #222

Well, I have to admit the bottom drugging themselves deliberately is not safe or entirely sane. moriah Dec 2013 #231

If I said "It's a woman's wet dream to marry a handsome, wealthy man", would I be speaking of women EOTE Dec 2013 #236

Women think of men as a homogenous group in too many cases. daybranch Dec 2013 #309

Right Amaril Dec 2013 #362

Why am I not surprised? chervilant Dec 2013 #296

And pretty hilarious that you'd mention my "history of hidden posts". EOTE Dec 2013 #189

Awwww, chervilant Dec 2013 #295

It's particularly galling when you consider the way Marr Dec 2013 #324

+10000 Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #190

you give a thumbs up to raping a woman unconscious? 1000 worth of thumbs up? nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #191

Only you would try to take this out of context. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #194

i asked. no answer? then it is saying raping an unconsious woman is saying sex with drunk wife is seabeyond Dec 2013 #197

Are you saying that it's a man's wet dream to have sex with something that doesn't move? EOTE Dec 2013 #198

Unconscious girls don't tell the people they're having sex with to not stop fucking them. EOTE Dec 2013 #199

Just the same old thing eh? I don't play your games. Spin it however you like. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #202

fuck.... give a thumbs up. i ask what the thumbs up is for. you backpedal and blame and seabeyond Dec 2013 #208

He/she was giving a thumbs up to your comment about men dreaming of fucking inanimate things. EOTE Dec 2013 #211

backpedal, change the goal post from what you accused me of. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #215

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #217

no. sex with drunk wife is rape. that is what you accused me of. that is what i said i never said seabeyond Dec 2013 #223

Ahhh, OK. So you think that sex with a drunk woman who is NOT your wife is rape. EOTE Dec 2013 #224

fucking an unconscious woman is rape. you want to make a blurred line, that is on you. seabeyond Dec 2013 #227

And what about fucking a woman who asks you not to stop fucking her? EOTE Dec 2013 #228

i am not having a stupid conversation that makes date rape, ok. you posted, i said, it is rape to seabeyond Dec 2013 #234

So, would your position be this? EOTE Dec 2013 #238

i really do not give a flying fuck what you expect. you accused me of soemthing. you were wrong. seabeyond Dec 2013 #240

Like hell I was wrong. EOTE Dec 2013 #243

And are you SERIOUSLY not able to understand this? EOTE Dec 2013 #241

i am SERIOUSLY not reading your garbage. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #242

And not reading anything else by the looks of it. EOTE Dec 2013 #244

It could be rape. It depends on the situation whopis01 Dec 2013 #308

A certain percentage of men, unfortunately, yes. Your meaning is pretty clear to me at least. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #330

Lol!! Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #260

What you just did there really ought to earn you a ban, imho. Marr Dec 2013 #326

I did a search, and only found him saying the opposite in the past. Bradical79 Dec 2013 #165

interesting... seabeyond Dec 2013 #168

no what im saying is that if my wife and i are at home and are drinking and we have sex that leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #263

no im saying that if my wife And i get drunk and SHE wants to have sex that ( not that i dont ) leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #258

is your wife unconsciuos, comes to and slurs, why ya stooo.... and falls back to unconscious? cause seabeyond Dec 2013 #278

no my wife was never unconscious. my oringinal post was in reference to the thread in which leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #287

Or without consent... LanternWaste Dec 2013 #297

well of course leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #303

yes there was a very lengthy thread here a day or two ago leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #254

Apparently JackInGreen Dec 2013 #361

If your wife isn't interested in sex with you Aerows Dec 2013 #65

You hit the nail on the head! :) nt arthritisR_US Dec 2013 #78

Maybe he could try staying sober for a change Aerows Dec 2013 #89

You stated it so spot on! arthritisR_US Dec 2013 #124

It's going fairly well Aerows Dec 2013 #351

Who the fuck is saying anything about forcing sex on anyone? EOTE Dec 2013 #159

If one of those people Aerows Dec 2013 #312

oh i see where u got that let me fix that, not when i got drunk but when we, wife and i, leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #255

I don't see where I was "hating" Aerows Dec 2013 #313

maybe i misjudged your post for that i apologize and i chngd the post leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #341

"i know to alot of women men are always pigs in any situation so keep hatin" xulamaude Dec 2013 #321

spot on Supersedeas Dec 2013 #349

I don't think people are saying that at all Bradical79 Dec 2013 #153

yea it was during a disscussion on rape a few days ago but i didnt comment on it so now it cant find leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #342

Me either Aerows Dec 2013 #350

I'm offended by your apparent need to chervilant Dec 2013 #178

i know both my boys have been offended many times over by this mentality. and they do NOT seabeyond Dec 2013 #2

that does not surprise me in the least seabeyond. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #4

sigh... seabeyond Dec 2013 #11

+ 1,000,000,000 WillyT Dec 2013 #3

Preach iandhr Dec 2013 #5

thank you Triana. nt sheshe2 Dec 2013 #6

That stuff is demeaning to men. It says they are mindless animals... freshwest Dec 2013 #7

Ain't that the damn truth. arcane1 Dec 2013 #8

It's similar to radical Islam, AlbertCat Dec 2013 #26

trudat XemaSab Dec 2013 #9

Recommended! NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #12

That also pipi_k Dec 2013 #13

It's a no-brainer...if a woman doesn't want sex... Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #14

The irony is that it's (historically) men xulamaude Dec 2013 #15

As a man, it is easy...woman doesn't want sex Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #18

What's difficult about this? AlbertCat Dec 2013 #28

well phil89 Dec 2013 #166

. gollygee Dec 2013 #182

welcome to du. you might want to check out the books listed upthread to have a clearer niyad Dec 2013 #195

Thanks phil89 Dec 2013 #343

No. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #311

SO phil89 Dec 2013 #344

But what about rape? xulamaude Dec 2013 #33

Is this offensive? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #16

Are these guidelines regularly distributed to men in oreder to be xulamaude Dec 2013 #19

They are published by the largest American anti-sexual assault organization Major Nikon Dec 2013 #22

Yes, I am quite familiar with RAINN xulamaude Dec 2013 #29

Those are good guidelines and cautions for everyone. Common Sense Party Dec 2013 #34

Rape is not anything like the other crimes you list. xulamaude Dec 2013 #39

I'm referring to these bullet points: Common Sense Party Dec 2013 #43

well, it doesn't help at all with much more common acquaintance rape, does it? bettyellen Dec 2013 #50

So are you saying it's helpful to ignore the 1/3rd of rapes committed by a non-acquaintance? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #54

The original bullet points... CSStrowbridge Dec 2013 #59

The premise in the facebook meme makes a blanket statement Major Nikon Dec 2013 #105

Yep, I am saying it is a bad idea, in that it gives a VERY inaccurate picture of what rape is bettyellen Dec 2013 #93

I'm not sure how it's inadequate Major Nikon Dec 2013 #104

I asked a simple question. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #60

Which was a deft attempt to change the subject from what I had posted. Common Sense Party Dec 2013 #75

I'm flattered that you find me "deft" xulamaude Dec 2013 #83

Men (in general) don't require the same bullet points CFLDem Dec 2013 #40

I'm not sure what you mean by xulamaude Dec 2013 #44

With the caveat of my female rapists. nt CFLDem Dec 2013 #45

Still not clear on what you're saying. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #47

Your questions seem to be rhetorical Major Nikon Dec 2013 #42

My question is not rhetorical at all. xulamaude Dec 2013 #46

Neither was mine Major Nikon Dec 2013 #52

Okay - I'll go first but I'll expect answer from you: xulamaude Dec 2013 #58

You didn't answer the question Major Nikon Dec 2013 #76

Please. I did answer your question. Your turn: xulamaude Dec 2013 #86

Then you are saying you are offended by RAINN's guidlines Major Nikon Dec 2013 #103

As I said, I am very familiar with RAINN xulamaude Dec 2013 #106

women dont rape men. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #109

They most certainly do. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #114

yes. 1% of rape is committed by women. 99% rape is committed by men. seabeyond Dec 2013 #115

It wasn't a matter of "got you," it was a matter of you presenting FALSE info. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #116

It doesn't seem to be anything more than a red herring to begin with Major Nikon Dec 2013 #120

It is one of the reasons I like RAINN. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #122

ya. it matters to pretend that 99% of the rape is not done by men. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #127

It matters to that "1%". Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #271

i have long before you called out the woman teachers raping their boy students along to the chides seabeyond Dec 2013 #279

I am not chiding. You made a false statement. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #284

99% of rape by men and gender is not a factor? rape by other women? new porn fad? cause i know, seabeyond Dec 2013 #126

Do you think that factor makes the victim any more or less of a victim? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #138

i think you actually address the rapist and not all of society. yes. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #140

and then tell me nikon, when women do implement this men are outraged that a woman dared to seabeyond Dec 2013 #141

I addressed that at the time to you directly Major Nikon Dec 2013 #143

you address women as a whole accepting this. you do not address the men as a whole who are both, seabeyond Dec 2013 #145

be careful what you wear to prevent your rape is not to offend women. thru out the thread, look at seabeyond Dec 2013 #146

The RAINN guidance included no such recommendation Major Nikon Dec 2013 #152

which was EXACTLY my point like... last night. no shit. yet it is what is in the Op and what seabeyond Dec 2013 #154

and STILL you do not address the men offended on this thread, men offended when PSA is addressed seabeyond Dec 2013 #155

You might want to reconsider your position. chervilant Dec 2013 #192

Did you bother to check the FBI reporting standard?? LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #306

"The gender of the offender is pretty much irrelevant to the victim." xulamaude Dec 2013 #235

Which is why qualified the statement with "pretty much" Major Nikon Dec 2013 #251

Crazy-making. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #253

At sorority parties, in a parking garage or ally, at work, xulamaude Dec 2013 #113

Well then, I've waited long enough. xulamaude Dec 2013 #117

Then you never answered my question Major Nikon Dec 2013 #119

people have told you why it is offensive to talk about womens clothes, which rainne never did. yes. seabeyond Dec 2013 #131

No, we don't. Deep13 Dec 2013 #305

Why do they continue to put the onus onto women? Warpy Dec 2013 #88

76 yr old nun in her home. now, granted, probably didnt have a shot gun so ya... her fault seabeyond Dec 2013 #97

Exactly, the hussy! Warpy Dec 2013 #121

My blog post/article about that: Triana Dec 2013 #175

'safer' from rape by women? AlbertCat Dec 2013 #30

No but it sure is fucked up that it's considered nessisary ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #96

Thank you for a straight answer Major Nikon Dec 2013 #123

because major, every one of us women that have been raped know this "guidence" is bullshit and not seabeyond Dec 2013 #133

It does no such thing Major Nikon Dec 2013 #147

i do tell my niece to be aware and i KNOW that will likely have NOTHING to do with her rape. seabeyond Dec 2013 #149

I'm ignoring no such thing Major Nikon Dec 2013 #169

how many posts have i ASKED about the contradiction and STILL you do not address it. only how a seabeyond Dec 2013 #170

So that's your opinion Major Nikon Dec 2013 #187

so. again. the contradictions i have stated in a number of posts are ignored. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #200

Since your daughter is going to college next year, chervilant Dec 2013 #316

Read post upthread Major Nikon Dec 2013 #319

Guess who's not answering the simple question? xulamaude Dec 2013 #322

Because my private information is not up for dissemination Major Nikon Dec 2013 #325

No one asked you to divuldge the college you have chosen for xulamaude Dec 2013 #333

And I referred you back to the question you have yet to answer Major Nikon Dec 2013 #335

Asked and answered, counselor. xulamaude Dec 2013 #336

And I doubt any of your other questions ever get answered Major Nikon Dec 2013 #337

"Good faith discussion", eh? xulamaude Dec 2013 #338

You could google it Major Nikon Dec 2013 #339

Yes I suppose I could... xulamaude Dec 2013 #340

I don't get that chervilant Dec 2013 #345

We should do whatever reduces the incident rate of rape Major Nikon Dec 2013 #346

Okay, chervilant Dec 2013 #347

I've already read one out of your list Major Nikon Dec 2013 #348

There you go, chervilant Dec 2013 #352

Your intent was pretty clear Major Nikon Dec 2013 #353

You just cannot get outside chervilant Dec 2013 #354

... Major Nikon Dec 2013 #355

you want women to be hypervigilent at all times to protect themselves from rape. you KNOW seabeyond Dec 2013 #151

Yes it is. MadrasT Dec 2013 #136

I'm not going to say this guidance shouldn't be offensive to you Major Nikon Dec 2013 #142

I am certain #4 saved my young butt a couple of times. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #196

Anyone who blames the victim for being victimized probably meets the criteria of being an asshole Major Nikon Dec 2013 #256

then you will tell your daughter to be wary of the stranger in elevator at 4 and when asked seabeyond Dec 2013 #257

I'm not going to accept what any libelous poster tells me what I will or won't do Major Nikon Dec 2013 #259

you want to give it to the woman, and stay well away form men even having a part. yet....you seabeyond Dec 2013 #264

Did you ever answer my question on post #16? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #268

More crazy making. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #270

You've repeated this twice Major Nikon Dec 2013 #277

You don't know what "crazy making" is? xulamaude Dec 2013 #282

Thanks for the help Major Nikon Dec 2013 #285

no. it will contradict all you have been proclaiming. what would the question be. bring it to me seabeyond Dec 2013 #281

You haven't answered it either Major Nikon Dec 2013 #286

There's that 'libel' again! xulamaude Dec 2013 #265

he wants to give daughter only what does not encroach on male entitlement yet feel secure he seabeyond Dec 2013 #266

Do you not understand what libel is? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #272

I understand what libel is. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #274

yes saying i said a a drunk married couple a man was raping due to a movie of raping seabeyond Dec 2013 #283

will you tell her to preceive each date as a possible rapist and to be wary. will you tell your seabeyond Dec 2013 #262

Well, yes and no . . . MrModerate Dec 2013 #17

+1 CrispyQ Dec 2013 #206

+1 LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #307

You are mistaking.... AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #20

Well... I think when someone says this they are positing that *some* men are incapable of control, Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #21

"On college campuses, repeat predators account for 9 out of every 10 rapes" Major Nikon Dec 2013 #24

That's great! Squinch Dec 2013 #23

Yup, it offends me. nt Bonobo Dec 2013 #25

I get offended by safety guidelines at the nearby public swimming pool.. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #298

Not at all. Advice like that says nothing at all about men in general. Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #27

Why not make rapists responsible for their own behavior instead? n/t Triana Dec 2013 #36

They are. Advice on how to avoid evil people does not make one responsible for the evil... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #41

There is no correlation... CSStrowbridge Dec 2013 #56

if only this 73 yr old woman had not dressed so sexy, she wouldnt have been raped. seabeyond Dec 2013 #62

Good heavens! Don't you know it's against the LAW xulamaude Dec 2013 #67

ya. i know. but the easiest source found and most everyone knows this story. seabeyond Dec 2013 #69

All of which might be interesting if it were not self evidently false... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #125

how to prevent/avoid rape. so a woman is raped, she simply did not do enough. and NO, statistically seabeyond Dec 2013 #139

They are NOT HELD RESPONSIBLE for their own behavior. Their victims are. Triana Dec 2013 #180

Rape is about power and some Men think they gain some-sort-of-power by rape. BlueJazz Dec 2013 #31

I just assumed my penis was defective because it's never done that mythology Dec 2013 #32

It doesn't offend me; it cracks me up with it's asinine assumptions. It's not foolish, it's idiotic. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #35

The 'rapey vibe'... TeeYiYi Dec 2013 #37

Bingo. nt Deep13 Dec 2013 #38

well.. pipoman Dec 2013 #48

do you not go on dates? bettyellen Dec 2013 #99

Not sure what this has to do with anything I wrote... pipoman Dec 2013 #102

because it is rape prevention advice that is worth more than that list, but it's missing from it. bettyellen Dec 2013 #112

I agree that date rape is a separate issue.. pipoman Dec 2013 #128

i think it's because lists like this leave women unaware for the more common dangers- and also keep bettyellen Dec 2013 #314

This message was self-deleted by its author pipoman Dec 2013 #101

good post oldandhappy Dec 2013 #49

Exactly! BainsBane Dec 2013 #51

I've been seeing women dress in very sexy and tantalizing ways for almost all of my 58 years. MarianJack Dec 2013 #55

true misandry nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #57

this is what i say. i say i am defending men all the friggin time. yet i am the man hater. seabeyond Dec 2013 #64

+2 nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #331

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #61

So cleavah. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #63

It's a good thing DU doesn't have a misogyny problem. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #66

Seriously. Just wow. TDale313 Dec 2013 #70

only pretty girls deserve to be raped? seriously. wow. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #71

Well, jury hid that one, fortunately. TDale313 Dec 2013 #80

yes they did. results. seabeyond Dec 2013 #84

I wish they would insist people provide an explanation BainsBane Dec 2013 #94

we have had too many people declare they will never vote to hide a post. for different reasons. seabeyond Dec 2013 #98

No, of course not! BainsBane Dec 2013 #72

Omg, that is so cute!... TeeYiYi Dec 2013 #92

So if I think that a woman should not go certain places, because of what happens there, then my flvegan Dec 2013 #68

Hon, I love you, but women can go anywhere we fucking want. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #74

Didn't say that. flvegan Dec 2013 #82

Do you mean on dates? BainsBane Dec 2013 #81

The OP didn't mention "dates" it was a more broadbrush, wide open accusation. flvegan Dec 2013 #85

The OP didn't mention the location of assaults at all BainsBane Dec 2013 #91

Really? You should re-read the OP. flvegan Dec 2013 #100

I think you're misreading the intent. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #95

very well explained. thank you. bettyellen Dec 2013 #107

Thanks. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #110

That might be what we want it to say, but that's not what it says. flvegan Dec 2013 #108

When I rule the world every social movement will communicate effectively. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #111

Yeah, this may take a while. ElboRuum Dec 2013 #363

Rape isn't about base christx30 Dec 2013 #73

You are dead on! Thank you :) nt arthritisR_US Dec 2013 #77

Can somebody please post the jury results for post 61? LeftyMom Dec 2013 #79

it is up there lefty. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #87

"no explanation given" I should have known. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #90

I'm tired of the broad brush used to describe men. Nanjing to Seoul Dec 2013 #118

your infographic presupposes FatBuddy Dec 2013 #129

I hear that BS argument in India all the time Recursion Dec 2013 #130

If most rapes happen on dates or between people who know each other The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #135

Well said. Soundman Dec 2013 #164

I love ignorant things like this joeglow3 Dec 2013 #137

And the jury results are in... aikoaiko Dec 2013 #150

Jurer #2 gets it joeglow3 Dec 2013 #181

The difference is gollygee Dec 2013 #193

Actually, they are treated the same joeglow3 Dec 2013 #219

Impossible to determine who did it gollygee Dec 2013 #220

There is NO WAY you could scientifically believe that is true joeglow3 Dec 2013 #276

If you had spent much time listening to victims gollygee Dec 2013 #289

You equate that with burden of proof needed for a conviction joeglow3 Dec 2013 #290

Are we in court? gollygee Dec 2013 #291

That happens, I have no doubt joeglow3 Dec 2013 #292

I feel no burden to prove it to you gollygee Dec 2013 #293

Someone I loved went through it joeglow3 Dec 2013 #294

Why was it a dangerous situation? xulamaude Dec 2013 #301

It does offend me madokie Dec 2013 #144

How about be an adult svpadgham Dec 2013 #148

Isn't this the essence of the strict Islamic dress code for women. Men cannot control themselves pampango Dec 2013 #161

and the republicans. and the men that pornify all women for their entertainment. no, seabeyond Dec 2013 #163

read post 201, with quotes blaming jyoti singh pandey for the horrific gang-rape that ended her life niyad Dec 2013 #213

Disgusted more than offended seveneyes Dec 2013 #162

Presuming all men are rapists in a culture is advantageous for misogynists and the patriarchy. Dash87 Dec 2013 #167

perfectly said. thank you. post 151. no one would dare address. but it is the reality we give seabeyond Dec 2013 #172

+1 n/t Triana Dec 2013 #177

You are right. nt laundry_queen Dec 2013 #248

a few quotes from rape culture niyad Dec 2013 #201

one would think they would be, but it never seems to dawn on them, as they defend this kind of niyad Dec 2013 #203

totally amazing. demand the woman accept how not to be raped. dont address the contradiction of seabeyond Dec 2013 #207

and, of course, the usual derailment of the discussion to make us forget the woman-hating that niyad Dec 2013 #218

yup. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #226

seems pretty dumb to pretend men's natural state isn't rapist Egnever Dec 2013 #205

of course they can control. they choose not to. that simple. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #210

takes nothing from the fact that our natural state is rapist. Egnever Dec 2013 #212

i do not think mens natural state is rapists. so we disagree. now, some would say me thinking men seabeyond Dec 2013 #229

I completely disagree with that gollygee Dec 2013 #233

So let me understand this. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #216

or. women should not be offended when told how to prevent their rape. yet, men are offended seabeyond Dec 2013 #237

it offends you that we have to keep posting about the way patriarchy treats rapists and their niyad Dec 2013 #247

I find it intriguing when I'm told what I should and should not be offended by. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #273

and yet, we are told what we may or may not post because it offends you. funny how that works. niyad Dec 2013 #323

The "simple solution" is to push back. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #327

the simple solution is for the rapists to stop raping. PERIOD. niyad Dec 2013 #329

Hear, hear!!! Beacool Dec 2013 #221

It seems as though the point of this graphic went well above many people's heads. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #225

Oh I think a lot of people get it... I just don't think they feel obliged to respond to it sibelian Dec 2013 #246

ya. first you were for until you decided you were suppose to be against. i saw. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #249

This message was self-deleted by its author sibelian Dec 2013 #239

It takes a certain degree of empathy, self-awareness, and ability to project for Zorra Dec 2013 #245

a thread women are told we must not be offended taking responsibility preventing our rape. yet, men seabeyond Dec 2013 #252

Who doesn't treat strange men warily? The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #267

there have been threads both in gd and mens group saying how unfair it is women treat men like this. seabeyond Dec 2013 #269

I can't speak about the threads on here The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #280

Not to be nitpicky neffernin Dec 2013 #315

You've Got To Pick Up Every Stitch BKH70041 Dec 2013 #261

non consensual heaven05 Dec 2013 #275

As a man, I'm secure enough not to be. MirrorAshes Dec 2013 #288

This whole argument is a mess. DirkGently Dec 2013 #300

"Don't we all actually agree that the problem is rape culture" xulamaude Dec 2013 #320

This message was self-deleted by its author neffernin Dec 2013 #356

The "positive side"? xulamaude Dec 2013 #357

this is how my 78 yr old father in laws dismisses rape and womens issue. you should be thankful seabeyond Dec 2013 #358

I find the whole discussion a mess as well libodem Dec 2013 #360

If your intent is to rape someone, then bingo you are a rapist. Rex Dec 2013 #302

Exactly! LeftishBrit Dec 2013 #304

It also presumes that men act by animal instinct. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #310

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #317

That "someone" is often religion and cultural traditions. gtar100 Dec 2013 #318

Females (and to a lesser extent, males) of all ages, from infancy to advanced old age, are potential nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #332

Nope, I'm not offended. obxhead Dec 2013 #334

I sometimes get offended ... JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2013 #359