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17. Where were you?

Wed Dec 18, 2013, 11:42 AM

Dec 2013

We discussed this ad naseum as all this was being planned. Most of us on the site, aside from the BOG, wanted single payer. We weren't in favor of a give-away to the insurance companies (mandatory buy-in, hello). They informed us that this is what would pass.

Reality.

So, now we continue to advocate to turn Obamacare into single payer.

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My problem with Obamacare [View all] edhopper Dec 2013 OP

Pick the parts we don't like, and improve them. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #1

Hopefully edhopper Dec 2013 #2

I don't know how we're going to "improve" the part about Big Insurance grabbing Doctor_J Dec 2013 #18

We could sit in a corner curled up in a fetal position. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #28

Who wrote it is relevant edhopper Dec 2013 #30

Did I say to not discuss the flaws? No. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #35

Considering the history of getting any sort of program in the US, Turbineguy Dec 2013 #3

I think ProSense Dec 2013 #4

Thanks edhopper Dec 2013 #9

Ding ding ding!!! JoePhilly Dec 2013 #31

It's a step toward eventual single-payer/public option for all. DinahMoeHum Dec 2013 #5

True edhopper Dec 2013 #10

Based on what? How is it a step towards single payer? Dawgs Dec 2013 #15

That is a very good point edhopper Dec 2013 #16

Exactly Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #56

It's based on "because we say so". Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #78

No, it's not. that is a ridiculous statement. Doctor_J Dec 2013 #20

How so Sgent Dec 2013 #74

Let me type this more slowly. MAKING IT A LAW THAT INSURANCE COMPANIES GET Doctor_J Dec 2013 #76

The bigger question is WHY do you want insurance companies out of the system Sgent Dec 2013 #81

Because medicare is immensely popular and successful, and because giving Doctor_J Dec 2013 #82

Medicare cost money and only pays 80% Bandit Dec 2013 #70

Single payer edhopper Dec 2013 #72

It's really more than 3%, and insurance companies do most of the administrative work and provide Hoyt Dec 2013 #80

Medicare isn't single payer??? Doctor_J Dec 2013 #75

I doubt it. 840high Dec 2013 #79

k/r solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #6

Candidate Obama was a populist liberal anti-Republican Doctor_J Dec 2013 #22

Would Obama have even been elected IF he had run on... bvar22 Dec 2013 #48

Sure, there's lots to dislike. Being worse than the status quo isn't one of them. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #7

I'm an advocate of Medicare for All, inluding dental, optical and hearing aids, but ... Scuba Dec 2013 #8

FYI: Medicare does not cover hearing aids (or even hearing exams) frazzled Dec 2013 #23

Medicare doesn't cover dental or optical either, which was my point. Scuba Dec 2013 #29

This is what happens when the Left moves too far to the Right. RC Dec 2013 #11

I think most of us would agree edhopper Dec 2013 #12

All the deductibles Nite Owl Dec 2013 #13

That is one of the problems I see as well edhopper Dec 2013 #14

Where were you? TBF Dec 2013 #17

I was here edhopper Dec 2013 #19

Honestly I think you're just stirring the pot. TBF Dec 2013 #21

I recall the argument of why SP would have been better edhopper Dec 2013 #25

Your concern is noted. nt TBF Dec 2013 #45

it IS NOT a path to single payer FatBuddy Dec 2013 #24

Sure ProSense Dec 2013 #26

So we will have a two tiered country edhopper Dec 2013 #27

That's ProSense Dec 2013 #32

Sounds like a long slow edhopper Dec 2013 #33

I doubt it will be ProSense Dec 2013 #38

Sounds like we need to stop electing GOP Goveners. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #41

^^this^^ TBF Dec 2013 #46

+1 Corruption Inc Dec 2013 #65

Still waiting for the guilt-by-association crowd to oppose the ACA NuclearDem Dec 2013 #34

No edhopper Dec 2013 #36

Two things. First, it helps a lot of desperate people DevonRex Dec 2013 #68

My point exactly. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #69

And you were right. Esp since the association is flimsy at best. DevonRex Dec 2013 #71

All good points edhopper Dec 2013 #73

Sorry to be blunt, but "deal with it." frazzled Dec 2013 #37

I agree edhopper Dec 2013 #39

Then maybe you should start a thread frazzled Dec 2013 #43

Well my intent was for edhopper Dec 2013 #44

Well, when we complain BEFORE it's passed, we're told, "don't complain until you know what it is" Doctor_J Dec 2013 #49

BTW edhopper Dec 2013 #40

My Obamacare story Gothmog Dec 2013 #42

The next president will determine what happens with it quinnox Dec 2013 #47

The Mandate to BUY Health Insurance from For Profit Corporations will NEVER be repealed, bvar22 Dec 2013 #53

I think the president's remaining goals for his term are Doctor_J Dec 2013 #54

I believe there is one more goal: bvar22 Dec 2013 #58

True that. A different DEM floats the cuts every month or so, invoking the "deficit" lie Doctor_J Dec 2013 #62

I'm not that pessimistic quinnox Dec 2013 #57

The Mandate for every American citizen to Buy Health Insurance is already settled LAW, bvar22 Dec 2013 #60

That is true, but there are still edges and pieces of it that can change quinnox Dec 2013 #61

We will see. bvar22 Dec 2013 #63

For myself I took quite a hit Doctor_J Dec 2013 #66

People should not have to use savings edhopper Dec 2013 #67

ACA is mandatory, for-profit health insurance. All progressives know in their heart Romulox Dec 2013 #50

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #51

Nothing happens until at minimum GOP loses house in 2014 Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #52

Bill Moyers has some of the same issues with ObamaCare. bvar22 Dec 2013 #55

It's a perfect example of the GOP moving further right AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #59

What's important is to realize that many "Dems" are no longer Dems... polichick Dec 2013 #64

But, but, but, mercymechap Dec 2013 #77

Obamacare is based on the Massachusetts health care law that the Democratic legislature amended so pampango Dec 2013 #83

It will be interesting to compare edhopper Dec 2013 #84