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joeglow3

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132. THIS is why I hate most defenders of art

Wed Dec 18, 2013, 04:31 PM

Dec 2013

They are self-indulgent snobs. If I don't like something, they truly believe it is because I an unintelligent, "don't get it", it makes me feel "uncomfortable", etc.

They cannot accept the possibility that an intelligent, art-loving individual can see something as attention grabbing crap.

This reminds me of a friend who was an art major in college. He loved art and many times pulled all nighters to perfect his art. He would then see fellow students who were lazy and went out of their way to fit every cliche of an artist. My favorite was a female who just pissed and shit in different jars, stacked them, partied all weekend and them came to class on Monday to proclaim her jars art.

Sorry, but seeing something as crap doesn't mean we don't understand art.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 OP

Um ... Okay. 1000words Dec 2013 #1

Like much (most?) performance art . . . MrModerate Dec 2013 #2

Is the art the performance, the reaction or both?... Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #6

It's more of a crafting project, like my candles jberryhill Dec 2013 #9

I'm not eating that cake. n/t MrModerate Dec 2013 #28

All of the above, and none of it matters. n/t MrModerate Dec 2013 #26

What exactly is "silly" about this? Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #18

'Silly' is a grab-bag word for . . . MrModerate Dec 2013 #27

Is that how you see this performance piece? Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #38

Yes. MrModerate Dec 2013 #103

That is inarguably sad. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #107

Why? HappyMe Dec 2013 #108

There is a difference between disliking a work and thinking it "silly." Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #109

Provocative art solicits a response 1000words Dec 2013 #111

Each response needs to be explicated. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #112

Says you. 1000words Dec 2013 #113

I happen to think that your dismissive HappyMe Dec 2013 #115

I happen to think that the elementary school responses in this thread... Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #116

Good for you. HappyMe Dec 2013 #118

THIS is why I hate most defenders of art joeglow3 Dec 2013 #132

That was almost exactly my own experience. Marr Dec 2013 #165

That wouldn't be the traditional, easy position, actually. Marr Dec 2013 #163

I don't just "accept" anything because it's called art, if that's what you're implying. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #170

You've a superior understanding of art, congratulations. Marr Dec 2013 #175

And what is wrong with being shocking? Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #176

Is Jack Ass as worthwhile as Bill Moyers? Marr Dec 2013 #181

Not all shocks are equal. The motivation for the shock is important. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #182

I am not shocked by this piece. kwassa Dec 2013 #186

Interesting. I just ran across this response so we might be out of sequence . . . MrModerate Dec 2013 #187

Ah, okay, so she was asking for it. That sounds familiar... Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #194

In the interview the artist specifically addresses her intent to confront on a sexual level. MrModerate Dec 2013 #199

She's asking for people to think and be provocative. Not be sexist pigs. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #209

I don't think you understand the conventions of performance art . . . MrModerate Dec 2013 #210

Rude and stupid responses should be expected. But not on a message board like DU. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #211

I don't disagree . . . MrModerate Dec 2013 #241

you are exactly right... snooper2 Dec 2013 #280

There are better ways to get a point across. HappyMe Dec 2013 #114

The question is why does someone consider it silly. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #117

Who gets to decide what is silly? HappyMe Dec 2013 #120

An opinion is worthless if it is not backed up with considerable explanation. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #124

You are the one demanding "considerable explanation". HappyMe Dec 2013 #127

I'm not demanding an explanation. I'm saying that without an explanation... Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #131

That's your opinion. HappyMe Dec 2013 #138

Have you been able to find anyone who gives a shit about your disapproval? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #274

Ahhhh....no. Subjectivity doesn't demand assholery. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #275

my "Primary gut reaction" and my thoughtful, considered opinion Scout Dec 2013 #126

"so what if she shoves a skein of yarn up her vagina" - Ummm, that's kind of the entire point. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #128

sure, cause the vagina and menstruation have NEVER been productive Scout Dec 2013 #135

Oh good grief! HappyMe Dec 2013 #136

But why was it gross? Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #140

Because being a pig and flinging your HappyMe Dec 2013 #144

So it's a minor annoyance that trash was not disposed of properly. How does that make it gross? Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #147

It's a biohazard. HappyMe Dec 2013 #149

Discarded feminine hygiene products do not constitute a biohazard according to OSHA. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #152

And....? HappyMe Dec 2013 #154

Haha! RiffRandell Dec 2013 #220

The same reason a booger on the wall is gross. Marr Dec 2013 #167

Ah, so art can only answer deeper questions than what constitutes grossness. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #169

Art can address any question the artist likes. Marr Dec 2013 #172

What does make a used tampon gross? Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #174

My guess is it's the same thing that makes ear wax gross, boogers, and toe jam gross. /nt Marr Dec 2013 #177

You haven't actually answered the question. You've just shifted to other things. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #178

I suppose it's a question for the world's 3rd grade philosophers. Marr Dec 2013 #183

No, abjectness and grossness are deeply related. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #184

This is the sort of silly excrement-doodling the art world has become thoughtlessly attached to. Marr Dec 2013 #189

How are abjectness and grossness related? kwassa Dec 2013 #191

Actually they did. You just can't respond. joeglow3 Dec 2013 #222

You still haven't answered the question without being circular. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #235

Damn. I've been to some dive bars but I've never in my life seen that. redqueen Dec 2013 #153

No it isn't a shitty bar. HappyMe Dec 2013 #158

Are you kidding? I've seen it in department stores. SMC22307 Dec 2013 #250

Thank you! HappyMe Dec 2013 #130

Glad I wasn't drinking my coffee when I ran across "political and social activism" . . . MrModerate Dec 2013 #139

Which implies that the artist must handle positive and negative feedback no matter how ridiculous. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #146

We agree on the 'everyone's got an opinion' part . . . MrModerate Dec 2013 #180

Baseless and idiotic? EOTE Dec 2013 #278

Actually, I'm a happy person . . . MrModerate Dec 2013 #133

Maybe Rectal Knitting as a follow-up? WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #3

Did you just compare a brown eye with a pink eye? ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #22

Ha, no. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #59

It's great for those of us with a sense of humor ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #60

You two need to quit, I really can't stop laughing snooper2 Dec 2013 #282

did you have to go there? Supersedeas Dec 2013 #208

I guess delivery by Christmas is out of the question now jberryhill Dec 2013 #4

Are you saying there's something fishy about the story? 1000words Dec 2013 #23

I'm not going down that slippery slope with you jberryhill Dec 2013 #63

Forgive me, I didn't mean to be lippy. 1000words Dec 2013 #97

It's the knit-picking artsy-fartsy definitions. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #66

Disappointed to learn that her vagina is not actually doing the knitting. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #5

I think there is a bar in Tijuana... jberryhill Dec 2013 #10

Interesting contrast redqueen Dec 2013 #74

Very interesting observation...spot on..nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #102

that's what I thought-- it would be like chopsticks and then she'd be doing latch-hook with her ass yurbud Dec 2013 #123

Lots of clickety-clickety noises and then...a nice scarf emerges, perfect for TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #145

and you don't mean your Al Pacino imitation yurbud Dec 2013 #195

That was more of a "hooWAGHHH", if I recall. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #203

hehe...misleading headline hibbing Dec 2013 #236

Vaginal Yarn Dispensing at best. eShirl Dec 2013 #265

LOL. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #266

In Japan I saw a vagina that could eject 100 yen coins in time to music. Kablooie Dec 2013 #277

I know right, now if she was able to do it upside down snooper2 Dec 2013 #283

I've never heard of her and I have no comment... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #7

I will eye handknit Christmas gifts with new suspicion, myself. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #17

Red ones I could maybe deal with,but... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #20

Chicks rock! zappaman Dec 2013 #8

I'll stick with penis crochet. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #11

you have a point there. grantcart Dec 2013 #34

You got me wondering what I would find with goggle and "penis crochet" grantcart Dec 2013 #166

I guess nothing is ever invented for the first time. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #207

LOL ... you have way too much time on your hands, Grant 1000words Dec 2013 #259

I thought she was going to work the needles with her klegels BainsBane Dec 2013 #12

Same here...I'm thinking, WOW, that's some toned kegels... countryjake Dec 2013 #13

Hi, why does your profile say you are male? uppityperson Dec 2013 #14

The OP has a link to the author.. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #15

Ah, thank you. I was thinking it'd be neat if a DUer did this. thanks, am tired and confused tonight uppityperson Dec 2013 #16

No worries. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #21

Thank you for posting this! Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #25

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #213

Best to use the "excerpt" button to distinguish. joshcryer Dec 2013 #39

Well, thank god for blocking. Warpy Dec 2013 #19

Final Jeopardy question: "Shit You Can't Make Up". K.O. Stradivarius Dec 2013 #24

This one time, at knitting camp ... 1000words Dec 2013 #29

That is gross Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #30

so gross The Wielding Truth Dec 2013 #32

I'm a conceptual artist myself Retrograde Dec 2013 #31

"bODY_rEMIx/gOLDBERG_vARIATIONS" by Marie Chouinard, premiered in 2005 for the Venice Biennale's Int Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #33

In the first video at 0:50 Cliffordu makes a cameo appearance. grantcart Dec 2013 #35

That's rather amusing. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #78

Hey....Can I lick this on Facebook? cliffordu Dec 2013 #104

uhhhh....yeah. that's worth the price of admission Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #41

this is dance. nothing weird about it. and it's obviously a riff on Paxton's 1986 cali Dec 2013 #48

Thanks for the link and reference...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #100

Wow! Those videos are incredible! nt tblue37 Dec 2013 #263

I like performance art…it is a true act of consent... Tikki Dec 2013 #36

I don't know what to think about Interior Semiotics. joshcryer Dec 2013 #40

For what it is…someone(s) was supposed to feel uneasy... Tikki Dec 2013 #142

Oscar worthy acting then. joshcryer Dec 2013 #264

Stupid runs rampant in this world aristocles Dec 2013 #37

this is one of those giving birth with dolphins and other stupid shit JI7 Dec 2013 #42

No, it's meant to materialize menstruation in such a way that is not inherently abject. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #43

Refreshing to see a non-middle-school-level take on this. redqueen Dec 2013 #82

I'm a-gonna materialize me some abjectifications right now. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #91

"materialize"? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #122

What makes it incomprehensible? Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #125

"materialize menstruation"? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #141

No, I like the verb materialize in this context. It fits well into the rhetoric... Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #143

Yes. I was questioning your use of the english language. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #148

Teenagers have been doing that since the beginning of time... snooper2 Dec 2013 #284

performance art = meatspace trolling eShirl Dec 2013 #44

(chuckle) Bravo to her! sibelian Dec 2013 #45

The Hanky Panky trick is amazing to me, how does she do it? countryjake Dec 2013 #50

Sounds like the same girl! sibelian Dec 2013 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author jberryhill Dec 2013 #150

Awwwwww. I know now. sibelian Dec 2013 #200

Yeah I wasn't sure about that jberryhill Dec 2013 #202

True. sibelian Dec 2013 #262

what a self-righteous little prig this woman is. ironic, isn't it? cali Dec 2013 #46

Actually, I'd say that she is the total oppisite of a prigg notadmblnd Dec 2013 #105

Whatever floats her boat. MadrasT Dec 2013 #47

I don't think you need to have a learning difference to find that performance pointless. nt MADem Dec 2013 #52

If she knits really fast with "Pom-Pom" yarn ... intaglio Dec 2013 #49

I knit, but I knit outside the box. kaiden Dec 2013 #51

Lol!!! WCGreen Dec 2013 #64

Pfffffft! mmonk Dec 2013 #75

she did the whole performance art piece to set up that joke. yurbud Dec 2013 #119

I guess not enough people paid attention to her the first go-round.. Ikonoklast Dec 2013 #53

Good grief! HappyMe Dec 2013 #54

Blood. Try field-dressing a deer, either sex. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #67

That includes blood and guts, HappyMe Dec 2013 #68

No wonder we hate ourselves -- look what's inside! Argh! Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #84

What? HappyMe Dec 2013 #88

With some trepidation, I use this metaphor: A tongue-in-cheek remark. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #159

Ah, okay. HappyMe Dec 2013 #160

No problem. Field dressing means 2 memorable steps: Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #164

These people thanked Mother Nature, HappyMe Dec 2013 #171

There is a practice in some European countries a well... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #197

People know, but it's a taboo subject. redqueen Dec 2013 #77

I have never thought of it as taboo. HappyMe Dec 2013 #80

Commercials are neither here nor there. Completely beside the point. redqueen Dec 2013 #81

I don't talk about anybody's bodily functions HappyMe Dec 2013 #86

This isn't about you, though. redqueen Dec 2013 #89

I'm not a part of society? HappyMe Dec 2013 #90

What? redqueen Dec 2013 #92

Well I can only give you my HappyMe Dec 2013 #93

Understood. redqueen Dec 2013 #96

Lost me at the blood stained wool liberal N proud Dec 2013 #55

But at the same time, both sexes shed a lot of blood in competitive sports derby378 Dec 2013 #156

Another interesting observation. redqueen Dec 2013 #161

Whatever works for a person get the red out Dec 2013 #56

If she had knit in the round ... surrealAmerican Dec 2013 #57

Huh? Iggo Dec 2013 #58

Where's the Volvo she keeps talking about? n/t indie9197 Dec 2013 #61

There are very few performance artist and their "art" Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #62

I don't get it Marrah_G Dec 2013 #65

Well, she get her millions of YT views, so mission accomplished... Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #69

+1000 Liberal_in_LA Dec 2013 #214

OMG closeupready Dec 2013 #70

lol! I was kind of waiting for someone to say that. HappyMe Dec 2013 #71

lol Dash87 Dec 2013 #72

Things like this make me wish I was jberryhill Dec 2013 #73

I suppose we all have our own crosses to bear. closeupready Dec 2013 #76

Someone upthread mentioned 'a show in Tijuana'. redqueen Dec 2013 #79

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #83

I'm trying to imagine shoving great wads of yarn up my vagina. .. riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #85

that was my thought--something dry and itchy, slowly rotating for 28 days yurbud Dec 2013 #121

I wish I could un-see that. ohheckyeah Dec 2013 #87

This is not art. This is no different from Lady Gaga's meat dress, like... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2013 #94

Do you actually understand the message behind this? Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #110

oh please, DO explain it to we immature middle-schoolers!! Scout Dec 2013 #129

I imagine that most middle-schoolers know that knitting with one's vagina is impossible. redqueen Dec 2013 #157

THat's not vaginal knitting! It's conventional knitting ... MNBrewer Dec 2013 #95

spot on, this. n/t Scout Dec 2013 #137

Wow. I completely missed the raging debate about this work. rrneck Dec 2013 #98

I just threw up in my mouth LordGlenconner Dec 2013 #101

Grab a skein of yarn and crochet a doily. SMC22307 Dec 2013 #253

If her objective was to get a conversation going... Laffy Kat Dec 2013 #106

Weird. polly7 Dec 2013 #134

not sure what "ideas" she's attempting to express, but magical thyme Dec 2013 #151

Wonder what she'll do as a follow up. dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #155

!... TeeYiYi Dec 2013 #173

Oh hum. earthside Dec 2013 #162

That's digusting and she deserves every insult she got and more. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #168

Are you kidding me? Are you really suggesting that her art is simply a result of not having sex? Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #179

Let me ask you something. HappyMe Dec 2013 #185

Does it make any difference to my argument if I was one or the other? Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #188

Are you male or female? HappyMe Dec 2013 #190

Unless you can justify such a disclosure, you're not getting an answer. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #193

Garble wharble! HappyMe Dec 2013 #196

Ah so now you've basically just resorted to calling me a dirty hippie. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #205

LOL! HappyMe Dec 2013 #206

I'm dying here LittleBlue Dec 2013 #251

Gravity Collapse used to be open about being male. Quantess Dec 2013 #271

Knitting bloody/plain yarn out of a vagina is not art to me. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #212

What about piss christ or Texasgal Dec 2013 #215

Those were made by men. Therefore it's okay. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #217

No, you're embarrassing to this website because of your disgusting, woman hating rhetoric. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #216

Did you ever hear of vibrators? RiffRandell Dec 2013 #218

But you mentioned her physical attrubutes Texasgal Dec 2013 #219

Oh well. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #221

It was defiantly shock value Texasgal Dec 2013 #224

Not at all. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #226

would you have wondered why piss Texasgal Dec 2013 #229

You know, it's funny... Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #228

Certainly not the only poster whose contributions to this thread ... 1000words Dec 2013 #233

Hmmmm those tactics seem awfully familiar. redqueen Dec 2013 #270

Oh so you were merely implying that she needed to go fuck herself. That's much better. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #223

She did, with yarn. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #227

She said in the video that on occasion it was physically arousing. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #232

Sorry, you lost me in the spin. polly7 Dec 2013 #230

Well, it's not. The poster implied that something else needed to be inserted to her vagina. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #231

Bullshit. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #234

She was talking about physical arousal. Which is the result of physical stimulation. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #237

I don't get aroused by inserting or removing a tampon. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #239

I interpreted it as she needed some kind of attention. polly7 Dec 2013 #238

On the contrary, I've been begging people all afternoon to explain themselves. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #240

I'm not sure how you got to 'female hysteria' out of this. polly7 Dec 2013 #242

There's a difference between not enjoying the art and calling an artist physically ugly. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #244

Your strange accusations throughout this thread polly7 Dec 2013 #246

She could be a good spokesperson for Monistat. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #247

That's for sure ... polly7 Dec 2013 #252

I ain't art unless you suffer! 1000words Dec 2013 #255

LOL ... polly7 Dec 2013 #257

Another MRA that doesn't approve... Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #201

This message was self-deleted by its author lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #249

I'm very glad it is important and meaningful to her LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #192

If you are making vagina art when you are menstruating would that art be called a .... Botany Dec 2013 #198

Nice one! redqueen Dec 2013 #204

This just seems like someone trying too hard to be edgy...sorry. likesmountains 52 Dec 2013 #225

I hope no one follows this up with penis knitting NoOneMan Dec 2013 #243

Vaginal knitting what the foook? LittleBlue Dec 2013 #245

The very best DU handle is now taken! 1000words Dec 2013 #248

... LittleBlue Dec 2013 #254

Wonder whose sock that is? LAGC Dec 2013 #256

I'd like to welcome our new poster. 1000words Dec 2013 #260

Bizarre... one_voice Dec 2013 #258

Okay, I went back and looked at this thing. rrneck Dec 2013 #261

Sooo... the video is a protest of the male gaze? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #267

That's part of it. rrneck Dec 2013 #268

Along similar lines: Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #269

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #272

Now THAT is what I call a cunning stunt. (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #273

Calvin would have something to say about this. sir pball Dec 2013 #276

lol thats great Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #281

This is the funniest shit I have seen in at least four years snooper2 Dec 2013 #279

This piece of performance art is pretty easy to MineralMan Dec 2013 #285

Archiving...I'm the 'vaginal knitting' perfomance artist – and I want to defend my work Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #286