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45. And... Here Come Da (FISA) Judge(s)...

Wed Dec 18, 2013, 08:05 PM

Dec 2013

Fisa court documents reveal extent of NSA disregard for privacy restrictions
Incensed Fisa court judges questioned NSA's truthfulness after repeated breaches of rules meant to protect Americans' privacy
Spencer Ackerman in New York - theguardian.com
Tuesday 19 November 2013 13.42 EST

Link: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/19/fisa-court-documents-nsa-violations-privacy

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Who Broke The Law, Snowden Or The NSA? - By J. Kirk Wiebe - CNN [View all] WillyT Dec 2013 OP

Former Top NSA Official: ''We Are Now In A Police State'' Octafish Dec 2013 #1

Yep... WillyT Dec 2013 #2

Mr. Wiebe is spot-on. Octafish Dec 2013 #3

prosecution is the only way back to freedom questionseverything Dec 2013 #14

Commie GESTAPO, the STASI, would LOVE what NSACIAFBIDIANROWhoKnowsWhatElse can do. Octafish Dec 2013 #57

Unbelievable! sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #30

I consider the people who fail or refuse to understand this the real American traitors whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #4

I agree in toto. bvar22 Dec 2013 #5

Thank you!!!! Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #6

This is why I hate the names on the guardian documents being redacted Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #7

knr Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #8

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #9

Anytime... Uncle Joe, Anytime... WillyT Dec 2013 #51

There are jobbs and positions which require the information obtained through these positions Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #10

Except That Judge Leon Could Not Have Made That Ruling In This Case If It Weren't For Snowden... WillyT Dec 2013 #13

If the collection of phone call records is against the Constitution then it is also wrong for Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #20

That has to be the most convoluted twisted argument I have read about this in a while hueymahl Dec 2013 #23

I did not write the Whistleblower Act nor did I vote on the act, it is what it is, there are good Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #58

! Hissyspit Dec 2013 #33

You should take "thinking"... sendero Dec 2013 #53

Yes, nevermind the threat to democracy posed by an overreaching security agency... Maedhros Dec 2013 #18

Snowden's actions is an overreach, he has not protected our privacy, he has violated our Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #22

What makes you think that Snowden took records? Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #26

Then he does not have any "proof" and more likely he has violated our privacy since he Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #37

Just as I thought. You've got nothing. Nobody needs individual records to provide Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #50

He's trying to use a damned if he does, damned if he doesn't argument. Aerows Dec 2013 #59

What proof do you have the I have made anything up. The collection of phone call records Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #60

Just admit Aerows Dec 2013 #61

There are channels available Snowden could have used, he chose not to for whatever reason. Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #64

"I prefer to have my Constitutional rights on privacy honored" Aerows Dec 2013 #65

If you are just learning about the phone call records being collected then you have let lots of time Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #67

LOL Aerows Dec 2013 #68

Talking points indeed, you don't have a talking point when you get the truth so just Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #69

I don't need a talking point Aerows Dec 2013 #70

Are you Snowden's puppetmaster? Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #71

LMAO! Aerows Dec 2013 #72

Telling you that your privacy has been breached is NOT a violation of your privacy DJ13 Dec 2013 #27

Ergo, then there is not a violation of the Constitution by the NSA. Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #38

Ahem... WillyT Dec 2013 #41

Warrants was issued for the NSA to collect the phone call data through the FISC, Snowden did not Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #44

And... Here Come Da (FISA) Judge(s)... WillyT Dec 2013 #45

I'm expecting something along the lines of Aerows Dec 2013 #62

I got this in reply Aerows Dec 2013 #66

If he'd reported the Bush government doing the same, would it still be a crime in your eyes? lark Dec 2013 #32

Do you know the history of the NSA gathering data during the Bush administration? Perhaps Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #39

I am disinclined to ascribe any validity to your opinions. [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2013 #35

Perhaps the feeling is mutual. Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #40

One would imagine. Maedhros Dec 2013 #55

Nonsense. SpcMnky Dec 2013 #29

Is whistle blowers covered under the Whistleblowers Act, no, the act exempts matters of Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #42

Thank you for highlighting the absurdity of the law SpcMnky Dec 2013 #47

Obfuscate, conceal, rinse, repeat. lark Dec 2013 #31

Check the Whistleblower Act, matters concerning security is exempt from protections. Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #43

Failure to report crimes is also a crime: grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #11

It's becoming more and more apparent that the NSA is in violation Cleita Dec 2013 #12

Maybe because it started in 2006 and virtually no one cared. randome Dec 2013 #15

Speak for yourself. Maedhros Dec 2013 #21

Stopping the collection of Meta Data would be a huge victory hueymahl Dec 2013 #24

Oh, the metadata collection may well be stopped. randome Dec 2013 #46

Absolutely. woo me with science Dec 2013 #16

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Dec 2013 #17

Who has done more harm to the world? The NSA or Snowden.? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #19

He is absolutely, correct. K&R Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #25

Who broke the law you ask ? SamKnause Dec 2013 #28

That is correct! TheKentuckian Dec 2013 #34

K&R Solly Mack Dec 2013 #36

K&R me b zola Dec 2013 #48

Who broke the law... one_voice Dec 2013 #49

Who did Snowden take an oath to? Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #54

amazing how short our knowledge is about history. It was the W. administration's fault that created diabeticman Dec 2013 #52

^ Wilms Dec 2013 #56

For all of Snowden 's critics, how else could be have blown the whistle Dustlawyer Dec 2013 #63