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TM99

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14. LEF Foundation does not just sell supplements
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 10:12 PM
Dec 2013

and if you took the time to read about them instead of a knee-jerk response, you would have realized that. Their science is still real and valid, and their valid rebuttal stands on its own merits. In other words, there is no consensus when the three studies used to form the editorialist's opinion have serious methodological flaws.

I am quite awake and intelligent enough to draw my own conclusions from the careful reading and digestion of various opposing viewpoints in an ongoing debate, thank you very much. Perhaps you need to do the same?

Did you seriously write that sentence? DU Admins need to know that I value more the health and healing of humanity over who gets all the all-mighty dollars from the consumers? Where are we? Grade school?

Perhaps DU Admins need to be made aware of the very vocal & obnoxious group of authoritarians who have decided to attempt to control what choices we, as adults, want to make by defining for us what is and isn't the consensus (when it has not been determined), what is and isn't 'real' medicine (i.e. the fearful WOO!), and what is and isn't acceptable to spend the consumer dollars on (they'll yammer on about the billion dollar supplement industry while ignoring the trillion dollar pharmaceutical industry in bed with the FDA).

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There are literally now tons of research for and against vitamins and nutrients. TM99 Dec 2013 #1
The consensus shows that few people need any vitamin supplements. HuckleB Dec 2013 #3
No the consensus is not. TM99 Dec 2013 #4
You just attempted to prove something by using a supplement selling website. HuckleB Dec 2013 #5
LEF Foundation does not just sell supplements TM99 Dec 2013 #14
+ a million solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #17
DU Admins know about LEF. You might not want to promote your scam preferences quite so vehemently. HuckleB Dec 2013 #70
If I get 'banned' for sharing an article TM99 Dec 2013 #71
Oh, goodness. HuckleB Dec 2013 #76
So glad to know HuckleB TM99 Dec 2013 #80
They are all about selling supplements, and pushing BAD PROPAGANDA aimed at selling supplements. HuckleB Dec 2013 #18
Bullshit! TM99 Dec 2013 #20
Wow! HuckleB Dec 2013 #68
No I have not been debunked. TM99 Dec 2013 #72
And your complete lack of understanding of how science works debunks you again. HuckleB Dec 2013 #77
Give it a rest HuckleB. TM99 Dec 2013 #79
LOL, now you are posting your alleged degrees? Why? And it could be pure BS. That defensive? n-t Logical Dec 2013 #101
I understand how the scientific process works quite well, thank you very much zazen Dec 2013 #33
You seem to know only how to abuse the scientific process. HuckleB Dec 2013 #69
Excellent post, thank you. We are all sick of the authoritarians here who try to decide for us what sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #85
Life Extension Foundation... SidDithers Dec 2013 #24
Typical smart ass response TM99 Dec 2013 #29
The word 'gullible' isn't in the dictionary, you can check! nt Logical Dec 2013 #32
Look, it is another smart ass TM99 Dec 2013 #39
Take all the woo you want. It is just placebo effect so it works for you. I have no issue with that. Logical Dec 2013 #50
Anyone who thinks lef is credible is beyond "saving"...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #43
Thanks for caring Sid. TM99 Dec 2013 #46
Don't ruin their fun! Fact don't matter! nt Logical Dec 2013 #34
Actually, TM99 Dec 2013 #38
Life Extension Foundation? MineralMan Dec 2013 #49
Damn, are all of you guys TM99 Dec 2013 #74
You seem angry. Would you like to discuss that today? MineralMan Dec 2013 #89
Not at all. nt TM99 Dec 2013 #92
You said, "Not at all." MineralMan Dec 2013 #96
The flaws in the studies are INCREDIBLY blatant. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #40
Purposeful high vitamin intake can be beneficial to some dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #2
That is a lot of baloney. Many many are helped by supplements. madfloridian Dec 2013 #6
Big Woo is as guilty as Big Pharma MattBaggins Dec 2013 #9
Often big Woo is a wholly owned subsidiary of big Pharma etherealtruth Dec 2013 #90
Yeah. Puglover Dec 2013 #100
Wow madfloridian Dec 2013 #106
Wow back. Puglover Dec 2013 #107
Guess I misread. madfloridian Dec 2013 #108
We're good. Puglover Dec 2013 #109
Since I Started Magnesium Oil otohara Dec 2013 #7
There's very little magnesium left in food anymore. madfloridian Dec 2013 #10
It Got Rid of My Migraines otohara Dec 2013 #11
There is a coated form... madfloridian Dec 2013 #12
I do magnesium every night before I go to bed. trumad Dec 2013 #25
Thanks for the tip, I haven't heard about Mag Chloride for health... tridim Dec 2013 #56
Tip II otohara Dec 2013 #65
I ordered a big bag of Ancient Secrets over lunch. tridim Dec 2013 #66
I took some Mg Oxide this morning... tridim Dec 2013 #103
Update: First morning in years without any stomach pain. tridim Dec 2013 #117
Just started Mag Oil today. Does this amazing happy-tingly feeling stick around? tridim Dec 2013 #119
I will continue to take my vitamins and supplements Raine Dec 2013 #8
Me too BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #13
Me three - If one's diet isn't perfect, then vitamin and mineral supplements make total sense. reformist2 Dec 2013 #23
Only if they know the amount and types needed to stay healthy.... Logical Dec 2013 #36
Do you understand that even the vitamin-bashing doctors admit vitamins are good for people with reformist2 Dec 2013 #37
Yup, I'm going to keep taking HappyMe Dec 2013 #42
Yeah! Science is such BS! cleanhippie Dec 2013 #75
I agree with Raine. I'll continue taking vitamins... truth2power Dec 2013 #98
From my experience, I have faith in Vitamin E. RebelOne Dec 2013 #15
I'm not buying any of this latest barrage of attacks against taking vitamins. reformist2 Dec 2013 #16
Translation: "I don't understand how science works, so I'll continue to waste my money." HuckleB Dec 2013 #19
Translation of your msg: I just go along with whatever the latest "expert" says... reformist2 Dec 2013 #22
The scientific consensus on supplements is astoundingly clear. HuckleB Dec 2013 #61
I take a magnesium supplement.. trumad Dec 2013 #26
I'll stick with Dr. Pauling earthside Dec 2013 #31
So, you haven't looked at the decades of research that followed. HuckleB Dec 2013 #60
Would you mind sharing some personal information? IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #44
Why? HuckleB Dec 2013 #58
I thought I explained, but if I wasn't clear -- IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #64
Well, that might be true. HuckleB Dec 2013 #67
Isn't it amazing at how many Democrats on a Democratic message board ignore science? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #55
It's crazy. HuckleB Dec 2013 #59
Antiscience beliefs jeopardize US democracy etherealtruth Dec 2013 #91
Snake oil and fools. politichew Dec 2013 #21
i read forever ago, the synthetic and a certain extenet natural which are high $, you pee it out. seabeyond Dec 2013 #27
In a perfect world that is the best answer. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #45
ha haha. that is interesting. as i get older, i might do a little more research. have to create seabeyond Dec 2013 #47
It is one of those things it is almost too embarrassing to tell about -- IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #48
ah ha, good story. and yea for you mom. i will remember. and do some research. thanks. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #51
K&R idwiyo Dec 2013 #28
ehhh I don't take vitamins Epiphany4z Dec 2013 #30
I love the logic here on the DU..... Logical Dec 2013 #35
Way to go with the straw men. TM99 Dec 2013 #41
I can find you a geologist who thinks the world is 3000 years old. So big fucking deal with your.... Logical Dec 2013 #52
And I can find a few TM99 Dec 2013 #73
LOL, like you are an expert. Your anger says it all! You got nothing! Nt Logical Dec 2013 #81
That's funny! TM99 Dec 2013 #82
LOL, calling people smart asses and saying 'talking out of your ass' is... Logical Dec 2013 #83
I don't tolerate fools gladly. TM99 Dec 2013 #84
How do you tolerate yourself? LOL! n-t Logical Dec 2013 #97
Again TM99 Dec 2013 #99
Well, I am not posting my degrees here . Because it really does not matter does it? I could.... Logical Dec 2013 #102
More bullshit from you I see. TM99 Dec 2013 #104
Like I said, who posts their degrees on a message board? What a load of crap. n-t Logical Dec 2013 #105
More bullshit from the bullshitter. TM99 Dec 2013 #110
The proof is on your side Einstein. Also, read about the scientific method. n-t Logical Dec 2013 #111
Oh for Christ's sake! TM99 Dec 2013 #112
At this point I think your defense of this shit is just to fuck with us. Dr. TM99. LOL. n-t Logical Dec 2013 #113
Now you think I am fucking with y'all TM99 Dec 2013 #114
You love hearing yourself post....... Logical Dec 2013 #115
I don't need to ask myself anything. TM99 Dec 2013 #116
Bye bye! nt Logical Dec 2013 #118
I haven't taken a prescription drug in 20 years. tridim Dec 2013 #57
As long as I take my Glucosomine, my knees don't hurt Larkspur Dec 2013 #53
Shh! Don't show this story to the woo peddlers! Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #54
Why would anyone take a vitamin to block or prevent disease? Rex Dec 2013 #62
Last line especially true. ErikJ Dec 2013 #63
Sodium vibraphone cured my mortapror scorchastu. longship Dec 2013 #78
Your title falsely implies a more general conclusion than is warranted pnwmom Dec 2013 #86
Wonderful response and rebuttal. TM99 Dec 2013 #88
Another good point. pnwmom Dec 2013 #94
I honestly don't think it is because TM99 Dec 2013 #95
Sorry but there are too many people that think Retrophrenology would work intaglio Dec 2013 #87
Most of the DUers who go on about "WOO" are rightwing/authoritarian types. Why is that, I wonder? Romulox Dec 2013 #93
Or scientists, or physicians. Barack_America Dec 2013 #121
I'm going to spend $40 for a bottle of vitamins just so I can piss them out. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #120
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