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ellisonz

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125. "Animals, which ARE a renewable resource."

Tue Mar 13, 2012, 02:28 PM

Mar 2012

Animals are not a renewable resource when they are over-hunted out of a finite population - many species have already entered terminal declines. I dare maintain that arguing that the hunters should kill them because if not the poachers will get them is a bullshit answer. Poaching is big business and is wrong - legal hunting does not stop poaching. In this case, these assholes went to what is essentially a conflict country were they could kill animals they could not elsewhere.

The bushmeat trade in Africa is not sustainable: http://www.worldwildlife.org/bsp/publications/africa/127/congo_23.html

Africa has other renewable income options such as farming, but in many places with a lack of investment and price protections agriculture has been undermined.

One way or another some African is going to make money off the animals. It's only a question of who and how.

That is a shitty excuse for supporting the Mugabe regime...

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The A***oles didn't fall far from the tree: Trumps sons pose with their dead animals [View all] n2doc Mar 2012 OP

Assholes. AtomicKitten Mar 2012 #1

+1 ellisonz Mar 2012 #57

Well of course EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2012 #2

Sickening pics. alittlelark Mar 2012 #3

agreed. my brother has stupid dead dear heads in his living room - something i never understood arely staircase Mar 2012 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author pipoman Mar 2012 #197

I've never understood the point of big game hunting. xmas74 Mar 2012 #4

Point Zanzoobar Mar 2012 #7

Well, in the Rocky Mountain west ... earthside Mar 2012 #11

Leopards are endangered and protected in many African countries SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #46

"Zimbabwe is where these assholes went." ellisonz Mar 2012 #58

Bingo. geardaddy Mar 2012 #109

omg, killing for the fun of it wendylaroux Mar 2012 #5

+1,000,000 Auggie Mar 2012 #15

Disgusting pigs. polly7 Mar 2012 #6

Pigs are not parasitical murdering scum. Trump brats are. aquart Mar 2012 #24

You're right, and my apologies to pigs. polly7 Mar 2012 #53

That's disgusting. How proud they must be...cowardly gunning a defenseless animal down. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #8

Has he taken up photography? Control-Z Mar 2012 #9

Well, I haven't seen him in a looooong time, but I expect he still hunts. He's that kind. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #38

Not sure why, but that really cracked me up. Control-Z Mar 2012 #195

My husband used to be a duck hunter and attended many camping trips with his friends. Auntie Bush Mar 2012 #182

Your husband sounds like a good guy. Control-Z Mar 2012 #194

That's what I always think when trophy hunters give their bullshit line about "sport" Withywindle Mar 2012 #59

Man, they look like assholes. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #10

So do these 30-something clowns have jobs or do they just sponge off The Daddy-Donald? Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2012 #12

"Hunting for Legends" - Living for God. Yeecch. tabatha Mar 2012 #13

This is lovely nobodyspecial Mar 2012 #21

Oh God! That first photo made me audibly gasp. Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #14

I hate them! frogmarch Mar 2012 #16

You can't murder a non-human animal, except metaphorically. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #39

Look! Someone being pedantic on the internet! sudopod Mar 2012 #56

Murder frogmarch Mar 2012 #65

And why should we not use it metaphorically? LanternWaste Mar 2012 #74

From the context of the outraged posters on this thread, I don't think it *is* being used Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #82

I'm sure you infer it in such a way as to better validate your own outrage... LanternWaste Mar 2012 #96

I'm not outraged at anyone. Not the hunters nor the posters. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #99

Of course we rationalize our own emotional responses at a thing while minimizing the same in others. LanternWaste Mar 2012 #102

So who's rationalizing? I'm amused...I freely admit it. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #105

... SammyWinstonJack Mar 2012 #98

Your sig line is giving you away. geardaddy Mar 2012 #111

Really? What's it giving away? I'm rather curious. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #119

Shhh Don't Let Him Know What We Know! HangOnKids Mar 2012 #130

Nah, he is fooling everyone here. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #179

oh! so sad! JitterbugPerfume Mar 2012 #17

Sick basturds. Aren't big cats endangered?! femmocrat Mar 2012 #18

Don't know for sure about others but the Cheetah is.. SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #28

That is a leopard. tabatha Mar 2012 #29

Thanks... SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #31

Maybe a bunch of emails with this link should be sent to them as a better way to spend their $ tabatha Mar 2012 #37

The conservation status of the leopard is "near threatened", which is actually Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #47

Disgusting. How nineteenth century of them. Cleita Mar 2012 #19

So they're "manly" because they can kill endangered species? ProfessionalLeftist Mar 2012 #22

THEY KILLED A LEOPARD????????????????????????????????????? aquart Mar 2012 #23

Why? They broke no laws. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #26

Leopards are protected in many countries in Africa, if this was within one of those countries... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #34

They were hunting in Zimbabwe, where leopard hunting is legal. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #43

Which doesn't make either of them any smaller of a douche. Occulus Mar 2012 #50

Shrug. There are a lot of things more worthy of getting upset about than the legal hunting Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #51

Which is why you're all over this thread, huh Mr. McDollar? lol nt sudopod Mar 2012 #60

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #68

*I'm* not the one who's upset, am I? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #85

there's a word for posting about things that you don't care about sudopod Mar 2012 #139

I disagree with most of the posts on this thread. *That* is what makes it interesting to me. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #149

That's cause you find it fun... surfdog Mar 2012 #162

Ah, but I *don't* find it fun. Other people do, to which I'm indifferent. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #165

How do your ears not prick up when you hear the word Zimbabwe? ellisonz Mar 2012 #63

Well done, ellisonz, thanks for this well-researched reply... Surya Gayatri Mar 2012 #67

I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of posters on this thread who are Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #87

You should try and show some understanding... ellisonz Mar 2012 #127

Remember the thread about the big game commissioner who hunted a mountain lion in Idaho? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #148

Yes. ellisonz Mar 2012 #151

You just asked me to violate the rules of this forum. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #156

Then shit or get off the pot. ellisonz Mar 2012 #172

My, my...someone's cranky this morning! Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #173

I imagine that as both empathy and sympathy are without a practical limit LanternWaste Mar 2012 #75

Of course empathy and sympathy have a practical limit. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #84

what then is the precise and objective upper limit? LanternWaste Mar 2012 #100

Does your empathy and sympathy for my visceral response have an upper limit? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #104

When they get to the pearly gates I hope God says: Booster Mar 2012 #25

I think She will. Withywindle Mar 2012 #61

As disgusting as their father, GROSS! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2012 #27

Oink Oink... WillyT Mar 2012 #30

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh. This pisses me off!! Glimmer of Hope Mar 2012 #32

Killing a leopard for no reason at all. MrSlayer Mar 2012 #33

OMG, he reproduced? Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #35

a daughter too... Phentex Mar 2012 #170

Yea. They're real men! Lint Head Mar 2012 #36

Idiots graywarrior Mar 2012 #40

They shot a freaking ELEPHANT & TIGER?? FOR FUN??? Doremus Mar 2012 #41

I'm curious...how exactly are these animals going to get their "revenge"? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #44

Johnny Rich, I have an idea...why don't you take your Surya Gayatri Mar 2012 #66

I'm not "pro-kill" in the sense that I'm not advocating that people run out and kill leopards. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #81

Except that killing large game has an impact on biodiversity and the morningfog Mar 2012 #83

Which is why hunting *endangered* species should be illegal. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #94

Hunting is BIG Business in Africa... MicaelS Mar 2012 #103

+1000 Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #107

"Animals, which ARE a renewable resource." ellisonz Mar 2012 #125

This activity is not hunting SOS Mar 2012 #106

It's certainly not particularly challenging, I'll give you that. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #108

Yes they can...and we can call them dickheads for it. CJCRANE Mar 2012 #128

They could indeed do all the things you listed. Perhaps they already have. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #150

Really? HangOnKids Mar 2012 #153

Oh no! I'm being ignored after someone went to the trouble of telling me I'm be ignored! Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #157

That makes me want to kick the shit out of that small genitaled rich boy Generic Other Mar 2012 #42

the picture is gross. iemitsu Mar 2012 #45

I think of pictures I would not like taken of myself Generic Other Mar 2012 #147

Big Bad Hunters on paid safari SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #48

pretty sure it doesn't work that way.... belcffub Mar 2012 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author belcffub Mar 2012 #77

The same amount of money spent to hunt the animals could have been spent for ecotourism csziggy Mar 2012 #79

but it wouldn't belcffub Mar 2012 #118

^this geardaddy Mar 2012 #134

Not shocked. laundry_queen Mar 2012 #49

Wow, showing off for killing an animal from 200 yards away! N-t Logical Mar 2012 #52

Although it would still be needless... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #89

I agree. Or a knife! Barehanded would be 100% fair. Logical Mar 2012 #141

Those can't be Trump's sons. They have normal hair. proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #54

Disgusting fucking fuckwits. lonestarnot Mar 2012 #55

All hail the Great White Hunters! nt MrScorpio Mar 2012 #62

ZANU-PF supporting scum... ellisonz Mar 2012 #64

I'll dedicate a song to the assholes Tabasco_Dave Mar 2012 #69

The moronic, spoiled idiots are getting serious flak for this. Good. Darth_Kitten Mar 2012 #70

so repugnant Voice for Peace Mar 2012 #72

Horrible... trumad Mar 2012 #73

horrible Liberal_in_LA Mar 2012 #132

last night.... belcffub Mar 2012 #181

disgusting mother fuckers certainot Mar 2012 #76

So would all the people above also feel the same belcffub Mar 2012 #78

Most of them would probably condescendingly say that it's different when local tribes Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #90

So, you're saying there's not a difference between subsitence hunting joeybee12 Mar 2012 #114

There's certainly a difference in motivation. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #116

are these canned hunts belcffub Mar 2012 #117

so classy stuntcat Mar 2012 #80

Trophy hunting is a vile practice. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #86

As per the story, the meat was donated to the locals. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #93

uhhh, yeah.... Leopard meat is not particularly edible. alittlelark Mar 2012 #120

I've read that locals will eat leopard, lion, etc., when the meat is donated. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #121

What absolute scum.... joeybee12 Mar 2012 #88

Leopards aren't "very endangered". Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #92

Um.... joeybee12 Mar 2012 #110

Given that information, it sounds as if limited hunting of the species is fine. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #113

"Limited hunting", i.e., "limited" to the ultra-wealthy who have absolute scads bullwinkle428 Mar 2012 #124

um... so belcffub Mar 2012 #143

It's an expensive hobby. Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #145

weird fascisthunter Mar 2012 #160

Get help...for what, exactly? Johnny Rico Mar 2012 #163

Disgusting Marrah_G Mar 2012 #91

Burn in Hell, you despicable a$$hole$! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2012 #95

Words fail. The Backlash Cometh Mar 2012 #97

I can't say what I want to about these ignoramuses siligut Mar 2012 #101

Their dad has been wearing a dead animal on his head for years. n/t Ganja Ninja Mar 2012 #112

Just goes to show you cannot Rex Mar 2012 #115

Makes you wish the leopard and buffalo were able to fire off a few rounds. marmar Mar 2012 #122

like anyone would cite "the circle of life" if there was even the remotest chance that they'd be on MisterP Mar 2012 #138

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #123

Paradoxically, this may be good for the animals JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2012 #126

what I was trying to see in my posts above... belcffub Mar 2012 #129

Trump Sons look a lot like Romney Sons JI7 Mar 2012 #131

Daddy Trump: I am not a believer in hunting and I'm surprised they like it." Liberal_in_LA Mar 2012 #133

Typical Trump - throwing his kids under the bus so his precious image won't be tainted bullwinkle428 Mar 2012 #193

Kinda wish Lazarus Kitty would come back to life and administer some instant karma Blue Owl Mar 2012 #135

As an animal lover and animal rights advocate, RebelOne Mar 2012 #136

At least a buffalo can be eaten hifiguy Mar 2012 #137

Wimps! hamsterjill Mar 2012 #140

I think you meant "grisly" because I don't see any bears. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #142

ughh senseandsensibility Mar 2012 #144

Voice your thoughts on The Apprentice message board. -PITBOSS- Mar 2012 #146

DISGUSTING Raine Mar 2012 #152

The scream of the self-righteous infadel Mar 2012 #154

great post belcffub Mar 2012 #158

boohoohoo... they against big game hunting for the ultra rich losers fascisthunter Mar 2012 #161

What about big game tours, photography tours vs killing animal tours? They would bring in a lot of uppityperson Mar 2012 #183

disgusting but hardly new. Teddy Roosevelt did it too when he went to Africa. WI_DEM Mar 2012 #155

How Manly! fascisthunter Mar 2012 #159

The more I hear and learn about the Trumps. MichaelMcGuire Mar 2012 #164

What a beautiful leopard and what a shame to die like that LynneSin Mar 2012 #166

here's my problem with this line of logic belcffub Mar 2012 #167

that leopard can be hunted many times over - for photography- those sacks of shit need shaming certainot Mar 2012 #168

is there a shortage of leopards for photography belcffub Mar 2012 #169

theere is a shortage for leopards FOR EVERYTHING certainot Mar 2012 #171

leopard shortages infadel Mar 2012 #174

those guys aren't there to help starving africans but i see what you're saying, to some degree. certainot Mar 2012 #180

The Natives are getting paid to track them infadel Mar 2012 #185

their wound rate would be higher with arrows etc. and it would actually take balls as opposed to certainot Mar 2012 #186

there are hunters who go spear hunting over there belcffub Mar 2012 #187

i was thinking more of a leopard- this guy is still an asshole, with a young buffalo wondering what certainot Mar 2012 #196

This is an actual industry for them belcffub Mar 2012 #188

Are photographers' fees being used for conservation areas? JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2012 #176

i'd rather see these 'tough' guys have to do these hunts with bows and arrows and spears certainot Mar 2012 #178

You mean "The Shit Doesn't Fall Too Far from the Ass".... BlueDemKev Mar 2012 #175

Man, the rich sure do have some fucked up hobbies. The Midway Rebel Mar 2012 #177

That explains a lot KamaAina Mar 2012 #184

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #189

Way, way over the limit. MineralMan Mar 2012 #190

Do you want to see the real evil hurting wildlife? infadel Mar 2012 #191

How long have you been a vedge? naughty nina Mar 2012 #192