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114. You are in sore need of a Joe Bageant lecture

Thu Dec 19, 2013, 11:52 AM

Dec 2013

Unfortunately, he's dead. Fortunately, he left us with a lot of writing.......

Go, and be elucidated......

http://www.joebageant.com/

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When did white trash become normal? [View all] Katashi_itto Dec 2013 OP

for those who forgot about poor white trash FatBuddy Dec 2013 #1

David Allen Coe! Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2013 #11

SMH Mr Dixon Dec 2013 #2

When the nation's "makers" decided that Skidmore Dec 2013 #3

+1 daleanime Dec 2013 #38

Well said - thank you! Mopar151 Dec 2013 #107

Seinfeld was long done and over by the time Richards went off on his racist rant. Kurovski Dec 2013 #158

I don't get it. Why are they bad? sibelian Dec 2013 #4

It has nothing to do with poverty and everything to do with mean-spirited ignorance combined Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #8

Honey Boo Boo isn't an example of mean-spiritedness though get the red out Dec 2013 #46

All I know about any of them is what I'm unable to avoid, mostly here. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #49

that's hardly the point that the OP article is making though fishwax Dec 2013 #139

I agree. And the line about bounced check fees is kind of telling as well. nt Iris Dec 2013 #227

oh yeah--good point! fishwax Dec 2013 #229

There are a lot of people who aren't cultured in this country get the red out Dec 2013 #157

The Beverly Hillbillies was a comedy show, it was not something to aspire to. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #169

It doesn't matter what people "aspire" to. What matters is what they ARE. sibelian Dec 2013 #182

I found the Beverly Hillbillies quite demeaning get the red out Dec 2013 #191

They are working class and speak with a southern drawl FrodosPet Dec 2013 #60

If people could hear my drawl when I post.... get the red out Dec 2013 #155

Same here... grew up in NC... live in WV Rhythm Dec 2013 #159

To a northern elitist's ears, southern drawl equals KKK FrodosPet Dec 2013 #162

+1 Kurovski Dec 2013 #161

It's the one of the bunch that is not hateful. xmas74 Dec 2013 #186

^^^^THIS! laundry_queen Dec 2013 #192

TLC thought they had a running gag with the family. xmas74 Dec 2013 #195

Agreed. laundry_queen Dec 2013 #201

We're in the same boat. xmas74 Dec 2013 #208

THANK YOU. I also thought the framing was disgusting. sibelian Dec 2013 #199

They are hardworking folks xmas74 Dec 2013 #206

Thank you! Well said! Jamastiene Dec 2013 #221

Her uncle, (her father's brother, I believe) xmas74 Dec 2013 #222

ah, that helps to explain why a right-winger like the author of the article would dislike that show fishwax Dec 2013 #228

We don't watch much by way of reality tv xmas74 Dec 2013 #231

No. It is not what "they" have done. It is what has been sold to them Skidmore Dec 2013 #9

That all sounds very reasonable... sibelian Dec 2013 #34

Nicely said! Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #39

Thank you. Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #10

I agree. pintobean Dec 2013 #17

+ one million n/t malaise Dec 2013 #21

This same poster engages in personal attacks against anyone who does not praise Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #22

he is also a poster that DEMANDs we all live in his trashy world of porn. a lot of ironic, i see, seabeyond Dec 2013 #27

Maybe you can spare us of your appraisals of other DU'ers posting habits. KittyWampus Dec 2013 #87

Well said. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #23

and just as disgusting Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #30

Yup. Very easy to crap on the 'peons' below. HappyMe Dec 2013 #56

Thank YOU. sibelian Dec 2013 #28

you are so spot on. hey, why not just refer to certain groups of people as vermin? cali Dec 2013 #173

Exceptional post. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #29

You already know pecwae Dec 2013 #160

Do I? sibelian Dec 2013 #171

calls out the man that wants everyone to wallow in the trash with him. ya, when did we start seabeyond Dec 2013 #5

It was always normal, we just didn't celebrate it. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #6

Bullseye, ET. Paladin Dec 2013 #12

Thanks, I don't think it's an accident. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #47

White Trash grammiepammie Dec 2013 #74

Lots of truth in this post. Ikonoklast Dec 2013 #151

To me, it's a realization that people actually watch that stuff. I'm in a quandary as to why? BlueJazz Dec 2013 #76

I have no idea whatsoever, but then, I couldn't even take the commercials. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #100

Yes, you hit it on the head! Awknid Dec 2013 #13

Corporate Media, Inc. (R) is pimping role models for the Proles of Tomorrow Berlum Dec 2013 #7

+1000 Tom Ripley Dec 2013 #65

And then go ahead and die early from your obesity-caused diabetes, stroke, or heart attack. Arugula Latte Dec 2013 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Dec 2013 #115

Wait, what? Arugula Latte Dec 2013 #123

thanks for the clarification. i will delete. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #125

Okay, thanks. Arugula Latte Dec 2013 #127

The minute that the Pilgrims stepped out onto Plymouth Rock. onehandle Dec 2013 #14

I don't call other human beings 'trash'. Because they are not. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #15

Thank you, Bluenorthwest, Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #19

Paint a broad enough picture? Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #20

Then maybe you can refine the definition. Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #24

I can help! snooper2 Dec 2013 #214

People are not trash. Why do you claim that they are trash? Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #33

I forgot the pope is behind everything Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #36

I'm pointing out the stark raving contradictions in your postings Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #48

You mean like the Duck Dynasty Patriarch that attacked the LBGT community. You know the group your Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #68

...sssoooo if a black guy calls me a faggot.... sibelian Dec 2013 #86

What tripe. People are not trash. The difference between Duck Guy and Pope Francis is sartorial. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #137

Snicker, who is being disingenuous? Costumes...Seriously? Thats your difference? If you can't Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #185

You are free to compare and contrast Duck Pope to Francis Pope and show us the differences. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #230

LGBTQ are not a "group" and Universal Human Rights is not some friggin 'fringe' issue idwiyo Dec 2013 #184

+1 idwiyo Dec 2013 #177

Amen JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #202

+1 I abhor that term. nt Live and Learn Dec 2013 #217

when failin quitter was selected to be vp for gramps. nt Javaman Dec 2013 #16

I think these kids are far trashier. HappyMe Dec 2013 #18

So people on DU are praising an article stating that "elites" need to take the reins of culture alcibiades_mystery Dec 2013 #25

I suspect they didn't read the article. smokey nj Dec 2013 #26

Conservative product placement JHB Dec 2013 #190

No, we are sufficiently intelligent to recognize that this is the result of manipulation by Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #40

Indeed. She can keep her Toynbee. fishwax Dec 2013 #108

When they became the politically safest group to dump on. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #31

White trash? Social ills? Pathologies? "Stayed put"? Brickbat Dec 2013 #32

It's unbelievable that this reactionary trash is being given thumbs-up on DU alcibiades_mystery Dec 2013 #37

Really? You find it unbelievable? redqueen Dec 2013 #102

Oh dear, I'd give her the vapors. a la izquierda Dec 2013 #175

White trash has always been out there. It is the economics of cable that are different BlueStreak Dec 2013 #35

This OP is appalling. When did referring to people as "trash" become normal? myrna minx Dec 2013 #41

You mean Duck Dynasty, Jersey Shore, Honey Boo Boo, depict mainstream? Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #43

I didn't say they were mainstream, did I? I think debasing humans as trash should never be"normal" myrna minx Dec 2013 #52

So putting these people on cable and glorifying them is ok? Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #53

Please don't deflect. My commentary is about referring to people as trash: it's debasing myrna minx Dec 2013 #57

I am hardly deflecting. They are being glorified for profit. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #64

So that justifies calling these people "trash"? myrna minx Dec 2013 #67

I would point out it was the NY Post that phrased it. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #73

....aaaand, what do YOU think? sibelian Dec 2013 #80

Uuuuh, unlike WHO ELSE on television? sibelian Dec 2013 #71

You've since edited - so I will respond to: myrna minx Dec 2013 #59

Nobody here is saying that what the Duck Dynasty guy said is fine. HappyMe Dec 2013 #119

They do for me. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2013 #165

I agree. Calling people trash is elitist and appalling. liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #98

About 1830. Ironically, first used by black slaves against white servants. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #150

Jury went 3-3. Anyone have alerter/juror comments? /nt pintobean Dec 2013 #42

Here it is: Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #54

Thank you. pintobean Dec 2013 #61

Elitist crap from Charlotte Hays, Ayn Rand enthusiast jsr Dec 2013 #44

Charlotte Hays on Michelle Obama: Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #63

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I would view th majority of teabaggers, with Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #66

as long as i can remember and i`m 66 yrs old. madrchsod Dec 2013 #45

We need the "unrec" button back. Brigid Dec 2013 #50

When the corporate media realized there was money to be made from using them as entertainment. Arkansas Granny Dec 2013 #51

The BooBoos are a subset of Southern culture that gets confused with others. Are_grits_groceries Dec 2013 #55

". . . they are a bubble or two off plumb." Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #69

+1. jsr Dec 2013 #89

+1 xulamaude Dec 2013 #148

I know families just like them. xmas74 Dec 2013 #194

When WalMart began sprawling towards urban centers Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #58

ah. so now we "white trash" the customers of walmart cause they are poor, seabeyond Dec 2013 #62

Actually in rural areas it is more cost effective to buy vegetables/produce and meats from the local Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #72

he joined the meme that walmart customers are white trash. are you defending that? seabeyond Dec 2013 #75

No need to defend what I observed Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #81

so, you are supporting his position that walmart customers are "white trash"? seabeyond Dec 2013 #88

and another example. so to pretend it meant something else is disingenuous. seabeyond Dec 2013 #79

Because everyone knows that people have HappyMe Dec 2013 #84

The NY Post author sounds like a massive tool. Dash87 Dec 2013 #70

When did classifying people as "Trash" become normal? MineralMan Dec 2013 #77

Your post and the one below it are the best in the thread davidpdx Dec 2013 #180

Thank you. MineralMan Dec 2013 #209

+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2013 #219

This may be the most disgusting elitist, classist article I've seen posted on DU independentpiney Dec 2013 #78

+1 gollygee Dec 2013 #83

+2 Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #96

Oh, the "intelligent DUers" who nod at this opinion column can determine that obesity and tattoos alcibiades_mystery Dec 2013 #97

+3 sibelian Dec 2013 #111

+5 tenderfoot Dec 2013 #156

How many plusses are we up to? ++++++ johnp3907 Dec 2013 #170

A very good point davidpdx Dec 2013 #179

I bet this thread makes a few DU'ers feel really good about themselves. It's sick. KittyWampus Dec 2013 #82

Since the colonies from Maryland to Georgia were settled by prisoners and indentured servants FarCenter Dec 2013 #85

.... sibelian Dec 2013 #90

Penal transportation FarCenter Dec 2013 #93

You appear to be suggesting that familal descent from prisoners or indentured servitude earns sibelian Dec 2013 #147

Culture is as unchanging as genes. FarCenter Dec 2013 #149

? Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #189

"Since British trash was transported to the colonies" is the answer to your OP's headline FarCenter Dec 2013 #212

Falling for the Hype 4Q2u2 Dec 2013 #91

There is a big difference in being prejudice and just being rural. I grew up in Texas. I met liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #92

I lived in Alamogordo for a number of years, your quite right. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #95

There are two copyright violations in this original post, as well: MineralMan Dec 2013 #94

And he posted it on your lawn Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #140

When PJs become formal wear. ileus Dec 2013 #99

About he same time poor uneducated black men began rapping about Township75 Dec 2013 #101

Hmm. Conservative "former gossip columnist" openly berates poor/working-class whites JHB Dec 2013 #103

OMG - when the NY Post complains about white trash LibertyLover Dec 2013 #104

Interesting that you and a few others think classist sewage from the Post is insightful. nt redqueen Dec 2013 #105

On behalf of Camaro-Americans everywhere, that columnist can go fuck herself. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #106

LMAO! Sissyk Dec 2013 #122

Lol!! Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #126

Brilliant! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #203

These shows are about mocking the poor. Marr Dec 2013 #109

I think it's that and more. Reality shows are this age's version of the Roman Gladiatorial Games Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #112

... partly. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #152

You are not worth the hide to tell you what I think of this hootinholler Dec 2013 #110

You are in sore need of a Joe Bageant lecture Burma Jones Dec 2013 #114

Yes by god your right. I can see Honey Boo Boo, or Snooki churning out such winsome prose. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #117

You're, not your Burma Jones Dec 2013 #121

I'm not getting huffy. I just await with baited breath Honey Boo Boo's next literary masterpiece. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #124

having never watched the show myself, you are now dissing a child for her intellectualism, or seabeyond Dec 2013 #129

You haven't watched the show? And making that Statement? Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #130

" baited breath Honey Boo Boo's next literary masterpiece." and you expectation of children seabeyond Dec 2013 #131

See #129 Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #132

no thank you. you exhibit just another part of bigotry. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #133

Lol!! Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #134

Yes...because classist bigotry is SO FUNNEH! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #204

Since you are so awesomely superior, where HappyMe Dec 2013 #142

Actually I do. Took three years but I've 201 page script (long for a script ac Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #174

Breath held in anticipation is 'bated' not 'baited'. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #193

-- George Takei Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #200

I don't know when it became normal, but it started during Reagan. Iggo Dec 2013 #116

I'm conflicted about this offensive article. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #118

Agree, when I read the article, it managed to hit both sides of the coin at once. Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #120

Agreed! The issue should be the dumbing down and coarsening of modern entertainment. LongTomH Dec 2013 #153

Yes! Delphinus Dec 2013 #183

Sideshows have always existed in some form ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #128

Apparently, it's OK to vilify poor people if they are white and not as sophisticated as you. Throd Dec 2013 #135

Absolutely. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2013 #164

this column is elitist nonsense fishwax Dec 2013 #136

God,I feel ignorant.... SiobhanClancy Dec 2013 #138

If we really wish to start labeling people as trash Arcanetrance Dec 2013 #141

They seem nicer than the Kardashians spinbaby Dec 2013 #143

Conservative RW christianity, combined with ignorance/lack of education combined with mass AM RW Zorra Dec 2013 #144

My husband has southern relatives that fall into this group--although not 'white trash'-- mnhtnbb Dec 2013 #178

When it obtained the 2008 Republican Vice-Presidential nomination? 11 Bravo Dec 2013 #145

I have tried and was unable to watch the Honey Boo Boo show Gothmog Dec 2013 #146

Multiplied exponentially Faux pas Dec 2013 #154

Its always been normal for me. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2013 #163

DU has a nasty side when it comes to the working class. nt Codeine Dec 2013 #188

That Duck Dynasty bigot has a Masters degree. ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2013 #166

And was a multimillionaire prior to the show. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #205

Just another bigot making a living pandering to right/white wing, like Rush Limbaugh, etc. Hoyt Dec 2013 #210

At least you'll always have Pajama Boy to look up to. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #167

TV isn't "normal", it's propaganda targeted at specific audiences Corruption Inc Dec 2013 #168

Elitist drivel. MadrasT Dec 2013 #172

The genre "reality TV" is the bane of our existence. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2013 #176

"Here Comes Honey Boo Boo�, " Duck Dynasty" etc. bobGandolf Dec 2013 #181

I grew up in a trailer in Wyoming. I'm poor. Codeine Dec 2013 #187

DU should have a prohibition against pipoman Dec 2013 #196

That doesn't go far enough Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #207

as all things in america: WHEN IT BECAME PROFITABLE spanone Dec 2013 #197

I think this is a deeply ignorant post that speaks more to the deficiencies of some DUers, Romulox Dec 2013 #198

I agree the terminology is wrong, but I've been bombarded by Facebook support for this bigot Hoyt Dec 2013 #211

Why the outrage over the term "white trash"? rdharma Dec 2013 #213

I don't hate any reality shows. northoftheborder Dec 2013 #215

If this were normal, reality TV couldn't sell it to us. Orsino Dec 2013 #216

When, exactly, did we become white trash??? DreamGypsy Dec 2013 #218

When media moguls decided to stop paying for real writers/actors/directors/sets, etc SoCalDem Dec 2013 #220

its sad but true hifijohn Dec 2013 #223

Must everything we see be about upper middle class people? Quantess Dec 2013 #224

White trash is celebrated in our society and something many people aspire to be. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #225

"Famous" (or "notorious") does not = "normal." merrily Dec 2013 #226

It has been coming for some time PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #232

when did calling human beings trash become okay at DU? This OP is awful, spreading hatred and bettyellen Dec 2013 #233