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Journeyman

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Thu Dec 19, 2013, 01:33 PM Dec 2013

My wife and I were triply-screwed by health care insurance . . . [View all]

We’re older Americans, late 50s, so before the ACA took effect, we were at that stage when insurance companies saw us as a bad risk -- too old to expect we’d just pay premiums without incurring costs, too young to be shuffled off onto Medicare should we get sick.

And we have pre-existing conditions. In my wife’s case, it’s a reality; in mine, non-existent. My wife has RA, so insurance sees her as a drain on profit. For myself, a false positive on an in-office prick test for diabetes consigned me to seven years of ever-increasing premiums. No other test ever showed me to have even a “pre-diabetic” condition (in fact, every test showed the opposite), yet my insurance company insisted I’m diabetic. And my attorney (my brother) told me there was little hope of ever convincing them otherwise, since they could use it to justify increasing my premiums without fear they’d have to payout.

And our third strike? We chose to pursue an American dream: We started our own business twenty-some years ago.

Because we were not in some arbitrary corporation’s risk pool, we were charged more for insurance. So on top of the other acts which should be criminal, add that insurance companies subjectively classified people based on nothing more concrete than the size of the check cut for the group’s coverage. And those not covered by a relatively large check got charged on average an exorbitantly larger amount. Considerably more than was justified to cover administrative processing costs. Certainly, “economy of scale” dictated lesser rates for greater numbers, and the threat of moving a large account brought extraordinary concessions, but does any of that morally justify charging multiple-times-over to those less connected?

In the 20 years since we chose this independent path, our insurance premiums rose each year by 7 to 40%, depending on the level of criminal greed rampant within our insurance carrier that year. Uncontested, our 2014 premium was set to rise to $2,884 a month in January. It was an unsustainable burden that presented us with an intractable choice: pay the ransom to receive the medical security we need and save little for retirement, or opt for lesser coverage that may likely leave us physically incapable of enjoying whatever retirement we may find.

Given the shortcomings and latent criminality of all for-profit medical insurance, ours was a good policy; not great, but passable. We chose our own doctors (important for my wife), and enjoyed some amenities. It came with a high deductible, however, and no guarantee we wouldn’t lose it should we have need to use it. In short, it was something we needed to keep but in truth couldn’t see how.

That was our condition -- our medical insurance condition -- on September 30.

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It was our good fortune to be Californian when the ACA rolled out. The Covered California website was flawless. We accessed it at our leisure, debated the merits of each plan offered, and were able to sign up with little trouble. All told, it took about two hours on the web, less time than I’ve ever spent negotiating for insurance of any sort.

The insurance policy we selected is every bit as good as the one we had before. We can continue to use every doctor we presently have, our selection of hospitals includes all those from before plus some more (including the finest hospital in the region), our deductible is no greater and there’s no cap on payments. And best of all, should I ever use it I won’t lose it, and the limits protect me from some forms of bankruptcy.

The cost? $1,181 a month for the both of us. A 60% savings over our cost on the “free market.”

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I can’t remember when we knew health care reform was one of the most critical issues facing the nation. Undoubtedly, the relentless litany of horror stories of those caught without insurance, or forced into bankruptcy despite having it, deeply influenced our belief. On a personal level, we saw the potential for disaster the time I changed jobs and only a fluke saved me from being without insurance when an unexpected hospitalization almost wiped us out right when our first child was born. And our attitude definitely solidified after the birth of that child, when our insurance carrier denied her needed surgery because a congenital defect was deemed a “preexisting condition.”

So we knew the transformation of healthcare had to be fundamental. The problems were endemic to the for-profit, corporate model of health care insurance, and the only viable solution in our opinion was to dismantle the entire rotten structure. Decisions about health care -- indeed, the very idea of health care -- have to be wrested from corporate bean counters and stock option influence and invested instead in the very people who depend on this timely care -- care too often denied them for lack of money or so faceless investors can make another dime.

We wanted single payer. We wanted universal coverage. And we had been agitating for it since well before Barack Obama entered the national scene. So when he took up the cause, we supported him in every way we could.

We didn’t get what we wanted. But then, we never expected it. After all that’s transpired, we find it best for our health to content ourselves with the belief it was enough for the process to move forward. Necessary, but incremental changes have been made, changes that may one day lead to the type of care this nation requires. I believe it will be in place by the time my grandchildren enter their majority. Which is good, as two of them are with us today.
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Kick! hedgehog Dec 2013 #1
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #2
Excellent post, Journeyman. brer cat Dec 2013 #3
My spouse & I have a somewhat similar experience: snot Dec 2013 #4
Good for you and Mrs. Journeyman! WinkyDink Dec 2013 #5
Kick for the Small Business Owner in my life. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #6
Who can afford $1,181 per month for insurance (plus deductible)????????? antigop Dec 2013 #7
It's a question I've asked myself 2-1/2 times over each month for the past 20 years. . . Journeyman Dec 2013 #8
Someone making 10-15,000 a month? zeemike Dec 2013 #21
Which is why Obamacare provides massive tax-credits for the working poor... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #30
And who does that massive tax credits go to? zeemike Dec 2013 #33
So you reserve the right to criticize something you don't understand? riqster Dec 2013 #38
I understand what it is like to be poor. zeemike Dec 2013 #40
Read post #9. The ACA is HELPING a lot of people. brush Dec 2013 #43
Can you support your claim that Health Insurance is not making as much as they used to? bvar22 Dec 2013 #60
I understand being poor, too. Having been homeless at one time did that trick. riqster Dec 2013 #47
wait--I'm in a GOP controlled Medicaid-expansion-denying state zazen Dec 2013 #51
Indeed. We need to take back the House and Senate. riqster Dec 2013 #53
What false message am I spreading? zeemike Dec 2013 #52
Your message is "the ACA helps the insurance companies and not the rest of us". riqster Dec 2013 #54
And what partial truth is in that? zeemike Dec 2013 #55
It helps the insurance companies, but not ONLY them. riqster Dec 2013 #57
Well hell that is true for everything. zeemike Dec 2013 #58
Letting the Repubes off the hook and only criticizing the Prexy is the issue. riqster Dec 2013 #59
Pointing out the flaws in the plan is not letting the Repugs off the hook zeemike Dec 2013 #62
I'd say that bashing the Dems and ignoring the actions of the Repubes... riqster Dec 2013 #64
Bill MOyers is spreading falsehoods too, according to some here. bvar22 Dec 2013 #61
I guess because third way is the official way now. zeemike Dec 2013 #63
Well, ya'll just keep holding your breath until you turn blue... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #67
The people I hate are mad. zeemike Dec 2013 #68
Do you hate President Obama? ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #73
Is the president mad?...is that what you are saying? zeemike Dec 2013 #74
Your situation sounds a lot like mine. Cracklin Charlie Dec 2013 #9
k & r thanks for posting..... nt Stuart G Dec 2013 #10
I won't even start to say what the infernal 'free market' health insurance con did to my family... freshwest Dec 2013 #11
$1,200/month + copays + deductibles is STILL extortion. bvar22 Dec 2013 #12
Couldn't agree with you more. It's criminal. . . Journeyman Dec 2013 #13
^^^This^^^ bvar22 Dec 2013 #36
EXACTLY. nt antigop Dec 2013 #14
older people making over 400% FPL really get nailed. I've mentioned this numerous times. antigop Dec 2013 #15
If you make ONE PENNY under the 400% FPL you get NO SUBSIDY as well whopis01 Dec 2013 #27
I got beaten up over this a few weeks ago. My wife and I make a hair over the $72K cutoff Flatulo Dec 2013 #49
well, you just need to reduce your income below 400%FPL. antigop Dec 2013 #56
You might have to settle for a bronze or silver plan. subterranean Dec 2013 #65
If you don't qualify for a subsidy, cynzke Dec 2013 #70
I think you need to look again YBR31 Dec 2013 #75
No Subsidy... cynzke Dec 2013 #69
+1 Legal extortion. progressoid Dec 2013 #18
...but it IS a kinder, gentler extortion now that the Democrats are doing it! bvar22 Dec 2013 #26
Well said....n/t zeemike Dec 2013 #34
Pure profits, for some anyway ... slipslidingaway Dec 2013 #42
lol ctsnowman Dec 2013 #28
THANK YOU Skittles Dec 2013 #41
It's about the greater good brush Dec 2013 #44
True, ProSense Dec 2013 #46
I like the part of the criminal empire where I live! Larry Ogg Dec 2013 #48
Especially when you consider in a country like the UK OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #50
Should sign the "waiting list" to get on fox-nonsense to share your horror story... Hulk Dec 2013 #16
+1. It is important to remember that the perfect is the enemy of the good. eggplant Dec 2013 #17
K&R. (nt) Kurovski Dec 2013 #19
A+ peace13 Dec 2013 #20
Makes me wish like hell our Dems would start pushing memes and framings about the GOP - like calimary Dec 2013 #22
Have you ever asked yourself WHY the Democrats refuse to do what you suggest? bvar22 Dec 2013 #37
I am glad for you, but the ACA is not an incremental step forward toward health care Doctor_J Dec 2013 #23
1200 a month is still a grand theft. It's better than before but that doesn't mean it's good. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #24
As I pointed out upthread, I'm just some schlub from the Southland, trying to get by . . . Journeyman Dec 2013 #25
My work plan goes from an 90 10 ctsnowman Dec 2013 #29
Thanks for sharing. pnwmom Dec 2013 #31
One of my relatives is supposed to be an ACA loser. pnwmom Dec 2013 #32
It's strange that right-wing talk hosts claim their coverage is much more expensive ... JEFF9K Dec 2013 #35
amazing post. Thank you KentuckyWoman Dec 2013 #39
That, ProSense Dec 2013 #45
legalized, government-sanctioned theft cvoogt Dec 2013 #66
Need to have public option Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2013 #78
K & R Scurrilous Dec 2013 #71
great post with great information. JanT Dec 2013 #72
Today's NYT reports on ACA... far less glowingly. proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #76
thank you...exactly what some of us have said....older people get nailed...and antigop Dec 2013 #77
Single payer system is the only way to go gerogie2 Dec 2013 #79
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