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Orrex

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52. Well...

Thu Dec 19, 2013, 02:43 PM

Dec 2013

The "offense" might have been equating the viewing of fictional rape porn with the outright attack on a system designed to facilitate the reporting of actual rape. I can see where some might perceive that as effectively accusing those who view porn of launching those attacks. Personally I don't see it that way, but at least four people (the alerter and the three "hide" voters) apparently do.

Comparing the two (viewing porn and attacking a support website) is one thing, but equating the two (i.e., stating that they are the same underlying issue) is very different. Perhaps this false (or at least unsubstantiated) equivalence is what generated the alert?

Consider a statement like this:
"Whether you're watching violent war movies or you're spamming a site intended to help wounded veterans, the underlying issue is the same: the total dismissal of the victim."

Structurally it's very similar to your statement, and the equivalence is asserted by fiat, rather than by logical support. It's possible that you can demonstrate the equivalence, but your post in this case didn't do so, and instead it simply equated a legally permissible activity with the willful vandalism of a resource for rape victims.

I don't now. I can tell you that I didn't alert on the post, and I wouldn't have voted to hide it anyway, but beyond that I can't say how the alerters or jury might have been seeing it.

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'Men's Rights' Trolls Spam Occidental College Online Rape Report Form [View all] geek tragedy Dec 2013 OP

"Men's Rights". Oh, puhleeze. More White, Christian males playing "victim." Arrgh! catbyte Dec 2013 #1

Pigs ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #2

Total self-fulfilling prophecy. alp227 Dec 2013 #3

Ah, didn't know about Barack attending there. Trolls gotta troll, mindless twits... freshwest Dec 2013 #4

Men's Rights? I bet they also bemoan the lack of a White History Month. sagat Dec 2013 #5

K&r idwiyo Dec 2013 #6

whether du men defending rape porn, or these men, the underlining issue is the total dismissal of seabeyond Dec 2013 #7

it burns their asses that a woman might be believed over a man geek tragedy Dec 2013 #9

and this post of mine was alerted on. just this morning, i have had three people send me three seabeyond Dec 2013 #10

Something has to be done about alert stalking. redqueen Dec 2013 #11

How might we identify/police such stalking? Orrex Dec 2013 #12

Only the admins can see who's alerting redqueen Dec 2013 #15

Makes sense, but it seems that there is already an impression of stalking Orrex Dec 2013 #16

In a general context I agree. redqueen Dec 2013 #18

Here's how I see it BainsBane Dec 2013 #83

Good way of explaining it... nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #94

That's a possibility Orrex Dec 2013 #96

I don't believe I've ever alerted on you BainsBane Dec 2013 #97

Yeah, I think I've alerted on just one or two posts during my time on DU3 (neither of them yours!) Orrex Dec 2013 #99

Too many negatives in that sentence for me to decipher BainsBane Dec 2013 #101

LOL Orrex Dec 2013 #124

That's the way it looks to me. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #227

Alert stalking is a problem. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #19

It would be interesting to see the demographic ratio of Male DUers to Female DUers. - Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #41

Well, when you have well-known and longtime liberalhistorian Dec 2013 #75

Agree Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #109

Or posters who call women dogs because they don't agree with them.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #123

or posters say that a poster did something, and they didnt. it was an anology. at least seabeyond Dec 2013 #125

LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #130

Truly does boggle the mind to watch you Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #178

I'm not going to link to your disgusting post ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #231

Still having comprehension issues I see Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #177

Let's see what we get... Agschmid Dec 2013 #191

how kind of you - Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #200

Haha. Agschmid Dec 2013 #202

tuesday.... oh tuesday. what a day. did you see the picture in HOF. i luv it. seabeyond Dec 2013 #203

Rise UP!! Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #206

little girl with a sling shot. yes, indeed. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #207

this thread is cracking me up. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #210

wink... done is done. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #211

Turns out there are more men. Agschmid Dec 2013 #241

is that all you got out of that? really. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #243

Yup. Agschmid Dec 2013 #245

not for nothing but, truly ... do you really expect me to believe that your intentions were in Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #246

I don't expect anything anymore. Agschmid Dec 2013 #247

I want absolutely No More out of you than you Want to give. The end. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #248

reporting bias lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #251

i think when told about three different posts, from three different people about alerts in a morning seabeyond Dec 2013 #17

Kind of depends on the subject, the posts, and the overall context Orrex Dec 2013 #24

i admitted i am highly visible and well hated. also, i call out the offensive, which offends. seabeyond Dec 2013 #27

sea, Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #43

no. i am not. i forget. and TOO many hate me anyway, lol. oh... i need to but meh... what 15, seabeyond Dec 2013 #44

Use it, NOW BainsBane Dec 2013 #85

besides i am a different kinda gal. to me, it is so wrong to have such low expectations seabeyond Dec 2013 #45

I totally understand - I am the same. Zero on my blacklist for the very same reasoning. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #47

use your blacklist lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #49

I suppose you have all fifteen slots filled ... amirite? Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #220

Now I do. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #223

Dudebro, you honor me! How quaint. May I just say that I never alert. I have no one on my jury Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #224

The key to an effective blacklist is maintenance. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #250

Well... Orrex Dec 2013 #52

OR, like what i would do, ASK. seabeyond, what in the world do you mean, that you see seabeyond Dec 2013 #53

In a perfect world, we would have that policy instead of the Alert system Orrex Dec 2013 #55

i am always asking. i am always thanking when i get clarification. and just this morning, seabeyond Dec 2013 #56

Eye of the beholder Orrex Dec 2013 #59

when men state they want rape porn to get off on that looks like real rape and a woman that is raped seabeyond Dec 2013 #60

That's a bit deeper than I have time to engage just now, but here's a start: Orrex Dec 2013 #62

one section at a time, break it down more. seabeyond Dec 2013 #64

That's exactly it. "Fictional" rape porn, at best, is meant to imitate the real thing, to the extent nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #112

this is where i feel we have to lie to ourselves to hold this position. seabeyond Dec 2013 #65

one more thing. i am not here to redebate this or convince you. i believe my argument though is as seabeyond Dec 2013 #69

I'll start with this one and work on the rest a bit later. Orrex Dec 2013 #77

ok. i give. i am the ultimate worst of worst and alert, hide, whatever. nothing to see here. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #78

Well, that was simple enough. Orrex Dec 2013 #98

ya. nto so much. i do not think it cute, or funny. i think seabeyond Dec 2013 #100

I don't understand anything of what you posted there Orrex Dec 2013 #131

Honestly I don't see the "war movie" analogy. We're not talking about "Irreversible" or nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #108

Well, we can't dismiss fiction just because it's realistic, either Orrex Dec 2013 #126

I don't advocate "controlling" anything except *real* videos of rape and torture. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #128

If it might be the real thing then it should be reported Orrex Dec 2013 #134

You're not missing anything. That's exactly how I feel as well. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #138

Glad we sorted that out. Orrex Dec 2013 #141

do you see, even a little, either of you, how casually you ride over a woman being raped for mens seabeyond Dec 2013 #142

It troubles me that you are unable to distinguish fiction from reality, even a little Orrex Dec 2013 #149

do you know how many people tell me daily i am a man hater, a prude, a dworkinite, anti sex, seabeyond Dec 2013 #155

+1 xulamaude Dec 2013 #164

I am not defending people who have called you those names Orrex Dec 2013 #168

"these fictions should be prosecuted as crimes" - "why a work of fiction should be banned" xulamaude Dec 2013 #174

She declared rape porn and spamming a rape reporting site to be the "same underlying issue" Orrex Dec 2013 #176

I read the 'she started it first' post earlier today xulamaude Dec 2013 #182

So... You have the ability to dictate to people what they think and feel? Interesting. Orrex Dec 2013 #183

Wow. Just wow. xulamaude Dec 2013 #186

Ah, yes. I disagree with you, therefore I must. not. get. it. Orrex Dec 2013 #187

It was .undoubtedly. my greatest pleasure, sir... nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #188

More's the pity. Orrex Dec 2013 #189

lol X. dontcha love the picture in HOF. i LUV that picture. seabeyond Dec 2013 #190

This. redqueen Dec 2013 #214

Another righteous crusader dictating how and why people think and feel. Terrific. Orrex Dec 2013 #217

Do you somehow miss the significance of marketing the porn as REAL RAPE? redqueen Dec 2013 #219

In other words, you also lack the capacity to distinguish fiction from fact. Orrex Dec 2013 #221

You blithely instruct people to report rapes that might be real, yet you sit there and tell me redqueen Dec 2013 #222

She's also not the only one who's received this kind of treatment, for similar reasons. Just saying. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #102

I have no way to speculate on who is hitting Alert on them Orrex Dec 2013 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Dec 2013 #132

Are you asking how I would have voted, if I'd been on the jury? Orrex Dec 2013 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Dec 2013 #148

I think that Skinner gave a pretty solid answer to this already Orrex Dec 2013 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Dec 2013 #166

yup. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #167

Again, disagreement is interpreted as oppression Orrex Dec 2013 #172

because none of this was about a battle. winner or loser. from the start, in agreement or seabeyond Dec 2013 #192

You seem not to accept that people can understand and still disagree Orrex Dec 2013 #195

no. i know you did not even begin to understand. because at no point did you perceive the issue seabeyond Dec 2013 #197

Ah. So the "women who walked" have the power to tell me what i perceive Orrex Dec 2013 #204

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Dec 2013 #156

if feminists cannot point out sexism in our immediate area, the board. how effective are we at being seabeyond Dec 2013 #14

If you're temp-banned you can't do it at all. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #25

we are being called "emotionally damaged" had another tells us that today. and i am not suppose seabeyond Dec 2013 #29

I didn't call you anything. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #34

k. cause i came this..... seabeyond Dec 2013 #36

sea, Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #48

"dial it back a notch ... as if." as if as in.... i wouldnt even know how. ya, seabeyond Dec 2013 #50

I guess mercuryblues Dec 2013 #54

there ya go. yes. that is when i hear it.... seabeyond Dec 2013 #57

No. One can navigate the course without being nice at all. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #58

You wouldn't have more than 4 hides if you didn't tell people to "f*** off" LittleBlue Dec 2013 #136

fitman sent women in hof abusive, vulgar pms... from day one an obvious misogynist troll. an hour seabeyond Dec 2013 #139

It sucks LittleBlue Dec 2013 #143

the first was to fitman as i said. the second was telling the poster that said screw off.... seabeyond Dec 2013 #144

Polly's post was hidden LittleBlue Dec 2013 #150

i did NOT tell her to fuck off. can you not read? i told her, saying screw off is the same as seabeyond Dec 2013 #152

I know, right? polly7 Dec 2013 #173

I reread what you wrote LittleBlue Dec 2013 #175

Exactly! polly7 Dec 2013 #225

and an obvious troll that sat in your group dissing us, and you all welcoming him. yes. seabeyond Dec 2013 #145

My group? LittleBlue Dec 2013 #158

right. seabeyond Dec 2013 #160

Right... er LittleBlue Dec 2013 #162

now, when you want to talk the other tow. you know, the one about soiled schoolgirl undies seabeyond Dec 2013 #151

You cannot rationalize this LittleBlue Dec 2013 #154

i cannot tell a poster that... saying screw off is the same as saying fuck off. seabeyond Dec 2013 #159

The bullshit is that anyone told you to screw off. nt. polly7 Dec 2013 #170

lmao!!! polly7 Dec 2013 #163

and once again, i say i did not read your post cause of your attacks, saw screw off seabeyond Dec 2013 #165

riiiiigggggghht. polly7 Dec 2013 #171

thank you. yes. the words really clarify. i appreciate it. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #193

And I still don't appreciate your sexist treament and ramping it up after being polly7 Dec 2013 #194

sexist treatment? lol. and here you start immediately and i stop reading seabeyond Dec 2013 #198

As was completely expected. polly7 Dec 2013 #199

should be, woman. (am i allowed to call you woman without being sexist?). i stop reading seabeyond Dec 2013 #201

The mental gymnastics it takes polly7 Dec 2013 #205

i am agile, flexible and fluid. yes, indeed. thank you. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #209

And so (not at all) funny, too! polly7 Dec 2013 #213

see, first sentence, .... no readie. right? we have done this drill before. too many times seabeyond Dec 2013 #215

Yes, actually I have seen you do this same thing many, many times. nt. polly7 Dec 2013 #218

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #236

Just as observation here. It is not a matter of the jury not paying attention... Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #228

having served 600 juries, if i am not clear what a person is talking about, i look at the post that seabeyond Dec 2013 #229

Yeah that was actually pretty clear. Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #230

"UN PO' "?? help me out. not really. the thing, it is just you and i. back and forth. seabeyond Dec 2013 #232

Un po' = a little Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #235

isnt that interesting drahth, thank you for striking up this conversation seabeyond Dec 2013 #237

oh. and what in the world was i alerted on? i didnt say or do anything wrong, lol... seabeyond Dec 2013 #238

It was not an alert on this post, it was on another Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #242

i see thanks. that is cool to hear. i like people exploring thought, agree or not. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #244

I suppose we could all stand to "dial it back a notch" when it comes to putting words nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #118

not to get too far off the subject DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Dec 2013 #153

Both systems are subject to abuse, but Meta was downright sinister. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #208

I'm not surprised. xmas74 Dec 2013 #147

got a deal xmas. lol. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #161

What makes you think that the users of the anonymous reporting tool are women? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #32

No, the form does not allow that to happen. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #38

you can't investigate Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #80

MRAs are among the lowest of the scum trawling the basement Arkana Dec 2013 #240

That'll show those feminists! NuclearDem Dec 2013 #8

Am I the only one who thinks an open-access online form is a bad idea? Blue_Tires Dec 2013 #13

Are SOME rape reports false? Of course. politichew Dec 2013 #20

few false rape. not a mere some. but, few. the propaganda being pushed by the mens groups are seabeyond Dec 2013 #21

Yeah, I assumed it was in the single digits. politichew Dec 2013 #22

exactly. thank you... nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #23

I think they are also showing that anonymous online crime reporting is an invitation to abuse. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #26

oh bullshit. like isnt that considerate of them to protect women so. fuck. that is offensive, ... seabeyond Dec 2013 #28

I find it ironic... lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #30

how many men have been charged, expelled, convicted from that site? nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #31

Now that the limitations of the tool have been exposed, I imagine that few will be. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #35

that did not answer the question. i imagine they had safe guards up and were not expelling right seabeyond Dec 2013 #37

a) Then what's it good for? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #40

see. i was too lazy to get the actual info about the purpose. i was clever enough to know it could seabeyond Dec 2013 #42

Your argument is based on facts you are making up. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #39

Then what's it good for? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #46

Well, the school would be able to start an investigation based on such geek tragedy Dec 2013 #51

Wow phil89 Dec 2013 #181

The Men's Rights pigs on Reddit combine sexual frustration geek tragedy Dec 2013 #184

Shit like this makes me re-think that whole "violence is never the answer" thing. 11 Bravo Dec 2013 #61

This kind of online anonymous reporting system is too open to abuse and is a bad idea. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #63

are the men that did this pathetic bottom feeding assholes? nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #66

Some of those MRA redditors may be participating in this very thread. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #71

who noes!11!!!!11!! nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #79

Yes. But the existence of this kind of asshole is one of the reasons this is a bad idea. (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #180

Thinking about the Sandusky scandal at Penn State, I think Occidental has instituted a bad idea. JVS Dec 2013 #169

Excellent points. Thank you (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #179

Hey, too bad this woman didn't attend good old Oxy.. Upton Dec 2013 #67

For every one (1) man falsely accused of rape, there are about sixty (60) men who get away it geek tragedy Dec 2013 #68

what? and another 50 women raped but said nothing? nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #70

I was going off that chart's numbers. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #73

better man than i am with all the math, lol. thanks. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #76

Did you see the thread where it was asserted that it's better that all rapists go unpunished redqueen Dec 2013 #72

There's a really offensive phrase geek tragedy Dec 2013 #74

I've heard the reverse used as well: hos before bros. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #82

cool story, bro. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #84

Yeah, your's too. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #86

the phrase 'hoes before bros' is usually used thusly geek tragedy Dec 2013 #89

Got a cite for that? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #92

check out urban dictionary. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #88

At Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:52 PM an alert was sent on the following post FrodosPet Dec 2013 #104

You've got to be kidding! I think maybe alerts shouldn't be anonymous. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #117

Bad alert. Should have been 0-6. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #185

Why... yes! This would be a perfect example of alert trolling. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #196

You've been missing out. It's an ancient concept about innocence. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #81

the mansplanation is greatly appreciated, to be sure nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #87

Gratuitous crap is all you've got? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #90

perhaps if you had not struck the "of course you probably don't know this but" tone . . . geek tragedy Dec 2013 #110

You're whining about tone? That's funny. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #111

In this case, what you failed to address is the idea that the rights of the accused geek tragedy Dec 2013 #113

What I addressed was Redqueen's apparent lack of familiarity with Blackstone's ratio. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #120

"civilized societies" xulamaude Dec 2013 #122

How is anyone to know... countryjake Dec 2013 #119

People get to know one another on this site BainsBane Dec 2013 #135

That was 100% mansplaining. xulamaude Dec 2013 #121

It takes a concerted effort BainsBane Dec 2013 #95

You're laboring under a misapprehension. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #103

Yet why is it that this presumption is raised in every single rape thread BainsBane Dec 2013 #114

I can't speak for other posters. Carry on. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #115

I observe threads BainsBane Dec 2013 #133

Which is why I don't reply to these types of threads davidpdx Dec 2013 #226

"People have a way of displaying exactly who they are in these threads." redqueen Dec 2013 #233

Duh. Do you seriously think I haven't heard that? redqueen Dec 2013 #216

Classic self-centeredness right there. As if it were an "either/or" matter anyway. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #116

This is one reason it's so revolting. redqueen Dec 2013 #234

I really don't think most men have any trouble telling if a woman wants to have sex with him BainsBane Dec 2013 #249

Oh, absolutely. Mutual participation is always best, by far. n/t nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #252

Out of curiosity, this seems to assume that each rape is committed by a different rapist mythology Dec 2013 #93

Not really disagreeing with anything you're writing, geek tragedy Dec 2013 #106

Yes, because women are by nature evil BainsBane Dec 2013 #91

Those guys need to get a fucking life. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #105

Well I'm sure that will fix family courts and open men's shelters and fix the economy. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #127

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #137

I wouldn't call 4chan MRA trolls Kurska Dec 2013 #146

good point, but I'd say there's a fair bit of overlap, and a lot of total creeps on 4chan and reddit cemaphonic Dec 2013 #212

These people are subhuman slime. Arkana Dec 2013 #239