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Deep13

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140. If there are alternatives, why do scientists use animals?

Thu Dec 19, 2013, 05:15 PM

Dec 2013

Seriously, keeping thousands of mice or whatever has got to be the most pain in the ass thing even. And Newkirk is the most vocal, and so far most effective, animal rights absolutist.

The website you provide appears to be ideologically, rather than scientifically, driven. If you are aware of any peer-reviewed scholarly articles on the subject, I would like to know about it.

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What charities do you dislike and why? [View all] OmahaBlueDog Dec 2013 OP

I despise United Way and Komen Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #1

I started refusing to give to United Way over 30 years ago MurrayDelph Dec 2013 #46

"Huffy"? no kidding ... JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2013 #52

That's exactly why I refuse to donate to United Way. AngryOldDem Dec 2013 #71

That's what I told them MurrayDelph Dec 2013 #79

The company I was working for was very heavy-handed about it. Buns_of_Fire Dec 2013 #108

I worked for a company that was much the same way. hamsterjill Dec 2013 #118

I stopped giving to Komen after the kerfuffle JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2013 #53

So do I....No more Komen or anything pink. FarPoint Dec 2013 #65

I used to be a big-time donor to United Way CitizenLeft Dec 2013 #92

I put some bucks in the pot as well. AngryOldDem Dec 2013 #96

March of dimes (animal testing), Susan Komen, United Way, HERVEPA Dec 2013 #2

I absolutely won't give to any that do animal testing! nt Raine Dec 2013 #78

Of course they do animal testing. Deep13 Dec 2013 #81

As far as I know, pretty much EVERY prescription drug is tested on animals first. Liberal Veteran Dec 2013 #86

+1 Deep13 Dec 2013 #120

The March of Dimes = vivisectionists CrawlingChaos Dec 2013 #132

If there are alternatives, why do scientists use animals? Deep13 Dec 2013 #140

Seriously, that's your argument? CrawlingChaos Dec 2013 #142

Guns For Tots Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #3

got a link? nt JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2013 #54

here you go Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #56

LOL!! BlueJazz Dec 2013 #68

The CEO of The Red Cross would be making SIGNIFICANTLY more in a for profit corporation. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #4

the Red Cross was a fraud riddled mess during Katrina- millions of dollars dissappeared, most bettyellen Dec 2013 #64

Sorry, but I don't buy what you're selling. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #89

I went through Katrina Aerows Dec 2013 #102

They acknowledged the fraud during Katrina. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #103

You didn't look very hard then Aerows Dec 2013 #104

I was a first responder. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #107

I was there first hand Aerows Dec 2013 #109

backing you up on the Red Cross, too heavily connected to republicans, too many scandals. KittyWampus Dec 2013 #112

The entire Katrina response was a massive cluster fuck. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #115

Oh, it was much, much more than just Katrina. KittyWampus Dec 2013 #130

don't give a damn about your book, you are biased because of your former employment there. bettyellen Dec 2013 #133

I was a volunteer. And that's not the only topic you're completely ignorant on. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #137

You'll get in trouble for having the Salvation Army up there. nt el_bryanto Dec 2013 #5

For very good reasons. nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #7

As I state in the post -- it's not "my" list OmahaBlueDog Dec 2013 #17

That doesn't matter ..... oldhippie Dec 2013 #59

So if I circulate a graphic the "Mona Lisa" that makes it mine? I think not. OmahaBlueDog Dec 2013 #139

I think that chart is very unfair frazzled Dec 2013 #6

Very well said. +1. nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #15

We have a homeless shelter here in Indy that I refuse to donate to. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #8

Sorry, I cannot support the Salvation Army BlueStreak Dec 2013 #9

Yep, this irks me as well. OnionPatch Dec 2013 #73

Agreed. One can help without the indocrination. nt Deep13 Dec 2013 #82

and they put a lot of pressure on their employees to go to church mucifer Dec 2013 #84

Komen. Less than 12% of their donations actually go towards finding a cure. octoberlib Dec 2013 #10

Komen has been a brilliant marketing campaign OmahaBlueDog Dec 2013 #11

The info on Charity Navigator disagrees with your 12% claim... eqfan592 Dec 2013 #18

(Percent of the charity�s budget spent on the programs and services it delivers) octoberlib Dec 2013 #27

That wouldn't shock me at all. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #31

Right. Their funding is all over the map. BlueStreak Dec 2013 #97

I've never heard of "The Vietnam Veterans Association" pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #12

Thanks for this link Delphinus Dec 2013 #99

I was just going to post the Charity Navigator link when I saw your post. Great site. nt Fla Dem Dec 2013 #135

Also, your chart has some outright factual errors. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #13

There are many really good charities that need our support BlueStreak Dec 2013 #14

Heh... Wait Wut Dec 2013 #22

there is no dignity in charity FatBuddy Dec 2013 #16

There's precious little dignity in going hungry or being homeless to begin with nt el_bryanto Dec 2013 #26

yes FatBuddy Dec 2013 #32

I hear ya sammythecat Dec 2013 #48

The lame54 foundation... lame54 Dec 2013 #19

Well damn, why haven't you made a graphic and circulated it yet? pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #23

This is a site that I find helpful: Wait Wut Dec 2013 #20

Snopes has a lengthy reply sharp_stick Dec 2013 #21

Thanks! OmahaBlueDog Dec 2013 #38

While the SNopes data differs from the graphic, it is still damning BlueStreak Dec 2013 #41

OH what bullshit. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #90

There are plenty of qualified people who would be willing to do this BlueStreak Dec 2013 #98

yeah, ok then. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #105

I never said that. I said they are charities BlueStreak Dec 2013 #111

Lets just do some math, shall we? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #117

What difference does any of that make? BlueStreak Dec 2013 #121

Yes, in fact i do. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #122

Eduardo Galeano on Charity... tenderfoot Dec 2013 #24

Solidarity is better, that's true ... JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2013 #51

when I donate to the local shelter, it goes horizontally across town six blocks... bettyellen Dec 2013 #63

Don't think I'd use that as a guide. Best charities rank UNICEF as a B+. sinkingfeeling Dec 2013 #25

The Punch A Kitten Foundation jberryhill Dec 2013 #28

LOL FSogol Dec 2013 #34

+1 Johonny Dec 2013 #45

I wish that Salvation Army wasn't so rabidly anti-gay. I just cannot support that. catbyte Dec 2013 #29

Laughably inaccurate. One glance at what it says about Goodwill Common Sense Party Dec 2013 #30

Goodwill pays some of its disabled workers far less than minimum wage KamaAina Dec 2013 #37

The Red Cross and the March of Dimes shraby Dec 2013 #33

My NOLA friend told me the Red Cross sold bread during Hurricane Betsy KamaAina Dec 2013 #36

So you don't like the Red Cross because of a policy they had in 1944? brooklynite Dec 2013 #42

My father was the victim of their policy. shraby Dec 2013 #69

And if any of the implementers of that policy are still alive... brooklynite Dec 2013 #70

Some people can't let go of shit. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #91

My father remembered that bitterly, too Warpy Dec 2013 #62

The March of Dimes used to say they would disband Mariana Dec 2013 #67

My father too & he never forgot it, neither have I. Since then there are things just as bad Raine Dec 2013 #77

I heard the same story from 2 uncles, marybourg Dec 2013 #87

Ugh. Salvation Army. KamaAina Dec 2013 #35

Chart looks like bullshit. moondust Dec 2013 #39

Shitty metrics for evaluating charity effectiveness. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #40

Bingo. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #93

Donate locally. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #43

+1.. Food Banks are also good... SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #49

Yep. AngryOldDem Dec 2013 #72

UNREC brooklynite Dec 2013 #44

Comment on the graphic ... lpbk2713 Dec 2013 #47

Kids Wish Network Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #50

MDA loyalsister Dec 2013 #55

The US government puts all the other bad actors to shame KentuckyWoman Dec 2013 #57

Ever hear of FEMA? KittyWampus Dec 2013 #114

Komen. And I stopped Catholic Charities over their Planned Parenthood stance. Shrike47 Dec 2013 #58

Any info on Paralyzed Veterans? I have sent them money in the past... CTyankee Dec 2013 #60

how about Wounded Warriors? yeoman6987 Dec 2013 #106

Thanks. Good to know... CTyankee Dec 2013 #116

United Way, hands down Warpy Dec 2013 #61

I wish Red Cross MurrayDelph Dec 2013 #83

I would rather say what I like: ItTakesAllKinds... Dec 2013 #66

Excellent! Delphinus Dec 2013 #101

I am considering Heifer International; for now, local food banks get my $. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #113

The United Way Holly_Hobby Dec 2013 #74

Red Cross and Komen in particular, there are a few others too that I will never ever give to. nt Raine Dec 2013 #75

I doubt the ones that say "100% goes to provide...". I don't believe there's any big charity that El_Johns Dec 2013 #76

Agreed..that is always a red flag OmahaBlueDog Dec 2013 #125

I'd like to see some evidence before crediting... Deep13 Dec 2013 #80

Just to be clear: I don't endorse the list OmahaBlueDog Dec 2013 #131

For me I would recommend "buyer beware" davidpdx Dec 2013 #85

Fuck the anti-gay Salvation Army! Arugula Latte Dec 2013 #88

what I'll do when I'm better able to help out... CitizenLeft Dec 2013 #94

Komen and Salvation Army Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #95

Not a penny to the American Red Cross; they lied to me after 9/11. nt Romulox Dec 2013 #100

oh really? how so? nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #123

The Red Cross- stacked with Republicans, are first in to get photo ops and first out after cameras KittyWampus Dec 2013 #110

complete bullshit. nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #124

not at all. I could link to you plenty of information about the Red Cross & Republican cronism KittyWampus Dec 2013 #129

I support several local organizations. hamsterjill Dec 2013 #119

Won't give anymore to 'disease' charities, Ineeda Dec 2013 #126

I do not give anything to Goodwill, ever. PDJane Dec 2013 #127

there are a few riverbendviewgal Dec 2013 #128

This graphic is mostly wrong: see Snopes LeftishBrit Dec 2013 #134

Thanks. Several have pointed that out OmahaBlueDog Dec 2013 #138

Salvation Army. stranger81 Dec 2013 #136

Turns out all of that is bullshit jmowreader Dec 2013 #141

Thanks. That was posted upthread OmahaBlueDog Dec 2013 #144

Least favorite? JoeyT Dec 2013 #143