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Tommy_Carcetti

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16. I agree a second degree murder count is certainly warranted in this case.

Tue Mar 13, 2012, 05:45 PM

Mar 2012

As would be voluntary manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide.

Not sure about first degree (premeditation)--as much as I would truly love to see this guy sit in a jail cell for the rest of his life without the possibility of parole.

The Seminole County DA would be wise to take a lesson from their immediate neighbor (Orange County) and not charge more than they can prove just because it is a highly sensational case. (I believe her name was Casey something or other.....)

And the worst case scenario would be for them to charge this POS with first degree only to see him walk because they can't prove premeditation.

Of course, you can always include lesser counts, but as the Anthony case proved, failure to prove the maximum count can often be detrimental to being able to prove the lesser count.

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Trayvon Martin shooting case goes to State Attorney's Office today [View all] The Backlash Cometh Mar 2012 OP

Seminole County's State Attorney's Office The Backlash Cometh Mar 2012 #1

Interesting concept. Most State Attorneys yearn for convictions. Especially high profile ones. If Egalitariat Mar 2012 #49

Everywhere else, that's true. The Backlash Cometh Mar 2012 #51

why wouldn't he at least be charged with manslaughter? Beaverhausen Mar 2012 #2

It's Seminole County The Backlash Cometh Mar 2012 #5

Hell, it's Florida! Jebbie signed the "stand your ground" law in 2005. Anyone who claims that ... 11 Bravo Mar 2012 #8

No. That's simply not true. TheWraith Mar 2012 #42

There is no case surfdog Mar 2012 #7

People feel threatened all the time. In Florida that's all it takes to be able to kill someone? sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #9

Or retain a CCW? Oh, wait, nevermind....... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2012 #10

No, it's not. That's still murder, even in Florida. TheWraith Mar 2012 #43

Yes, it looks that way. I'd like to know more about the other incident he got off on regarding sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #45

Was the assaulted police officer Black? MD20 Mar 2012 #50

The assclown WAS the threat, by his own admission he followed the kid to and from 7-11 Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #17

He was told not to confront the kid. The Backlash Cometh Mar 2012 #23

HE was the predator obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #33

And why did he feel "threatened" in the first place? Withywindle Mar 2012 #38

Exactly -- 100% agree with you post n/t obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #40

agreed: terrible racism seems to be in play. k&r, n/t appal_jack Mar 2012 #48

That some will be unhappy with the outcome is very unfortunate, but it's certainly true. slackmaster Mar 2012 #3

This is what happens in states with lax gun laws, "stand your ground" laws, etc. Hoyt Mar 2012 #4

Exactly. The Backlash Cometh Mar 2012 #6

+1 ellisonz Mar 2012 #14

This could have happened in any state, regardless of gun laws Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #20

Which had nothing to do with the incident ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #21

Maybe you can use this example in your gun classes. Hoyt Mar 2012 #25

Actually I cite some of your best stuff regularly ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #26

So, are you suggesting that in any state, one can kill someone EOTE Mar 2012 #39

No, I said that in any state you can kill in self defense with a hand gun in public if warranted ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #41

Castle Doctrine very well has come to mean you can kill someone who you think is a threat. EOTE Mar 2012 #46

"Come to mean" is public perception, not the law ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #47

How is there "much more"? EOTE Mar 2012 #52

I Bet You Side With The Guy Who Shot That Japanese Kid In Louisiana, As Well. (n/t) Paladin Mar 2012 #54

There are no sides in all of this ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #55

That's A More Progressive Response Than I Was Anticipating From You. Thanks. (n/t) Paladin Mar 2012 #59

Orlando Watch Shooting Probe Reveals Questionable Police Conduct ellisonz Mar 2012 #11

Exactly, Sir: Zimmerman Committed Murder The Magistrate Mar 2012 #12

I edited to clarify... ellisonz Mar 2012 #13

His Initiating the Confrontation, Sir, Makes It Murder The Magistrate Mar 2012 #15

I agree a second degree murder count is certainly warranted in this case. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2012 #16

Going to disagree with you here ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #28

He Went Out Looking For a Fight, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #29

Local law enforcement is not seeing it that way... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #56

So What, Sir? 'Local Police Opinion' Is The Least Of Standards For Judgement The Magistrate Mar 2012 #57

Actually they matter a great deal, since due to them the shooter is still free... ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #58

Power Does Not Entail Accuracy, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2012 #60

So if that's true I was pretty close to the mark Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #19

So glad that this is getting out of the state. The Backlash Cometh Mar 2012 #24

That's my next question Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #31

That's the big problem with this county The Backlash Cometh Mar 2012 #36

This is just so fucking outrageous. He should have been charged with murder! FLAprogressive Mar 2012 #18

You can't feel "threated" and then run straight toward the threat to shoot somebody!! cybiz Mar 2012 #22

open season in Sanford, FL Enrique Mar 2012 #27

Well, I think that if I were black and happened to find myself around......... socialist_n_TN Mar 2012 #30

wouldn't this also warrior1 Mar 2012 #32

I don't think so Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #35

No irony. The Backlash Cometh Mar 2012 #37

Let's imagine Trayvon wrestled the gun from Zimmerman and shot him obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #34

or a black man did this to a white kid JI7 Mar 2012 #44

"There's somethin' goin' on here that doesn't pass the common sense test" pinboy3niner Mar 2012 #53