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IdaBriggs

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64. I apologize if my analogy was not clear.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:47 PM
Dec 2013

If you looked at the three studies that the Journal Folk who set me off earlier this week did, you will notice some missing data points with the biggies being "how were the people in the study deemed to be suffering from a deficiency such that supplementation might benefit them" and "how were levels of absorption measured" being super easy questions.

There are more, of course - how did they control for diet, family history, level of deficiency, and side effects from medications that negatively impact efficacy (see my little sub-rant on miralax).

Answer: They didn't. They just told people to stop wasting their money because a healthy diet (which these people were obviously not adherents of otherwise they wouldn't have been having health problems per the "you brought this on yourself" mentality) was more than adequate instead of checking into these things, and doing some analysis.

Now, I'm a small non-profit, and the people helping me out are by and large parents of special needs children, so we KNOW we are missing information (which my fantasies say will be answered by The Wise White Coated Science Lords) but blithely telling people to "stop wasting money and there is no need for further investigation" makes my head hurt.

There is a small experiment recommended for elementary school students - you take a multi-vitamin, and put it in a glass with some water and a splash of white vinegar. If it hasn't dissolved in 24 hours, your body is pooping the little pills out, especially if you are taking medications for reflux or constipation. Guess what? There are brands out there that *will* digest, and you can also use liquid brands, too. And some people have the stomach to digest the "power pooper pills" so controlling for that is important.

And some people don't have deficiency issues while others (like chemo patients) do, and some people eat healthy, so they get appropriate nutrition, while others who eat like crap might be brought up to "normal" by minor correction.

I get sarcastic because I have been thinking about this WAY too much. And no one pays me for this - I do it for free.

I'm sticking with Nitwits. They have offended me, but since I am not one of their "peers" I am ranting about it on DU.

"People don't need vitamins" - do you know how difficult it can be to get past that level of ignorance spouted by a supposed authority without all of the caveats that they didn't put in - like how many people actually are being helped by this stuff?

Oh. They don't see those patients, since they don't come into the office, and they Don't Get Sick.

Coincidence. Nothing but coincidence. Or willfully blind ignorance.

I'm ranting again. Sigh. And I've probably just confused you more. Sorry.

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k&r nt bananas Dec 2013 #1
Excellent rant! livetohike Dec 2013 #2
I could write volumes on the effect of nutrition on the health Holly_Hobby Dec 2013 #3
you sound like an awesome mom! Chrom Dec 2013 #4
Wow. I think you're really onto something here. pnwmom Dec 2013 #5
That's silly, for example, if vets were to use cats as an example, humans would be eating a diet... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #9
Vets, more than many doctors, stress the importance of nutrition. pnwmom Dec 2013 #10
Every time I go to a doctor, they always emphasize the importance of a balanced diet. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #12
Me too. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #21
Nothing you said changes the fact that many multivitamins and other supplements... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #6
Preemies don't eat a balanced diet. They consume breast milk or formula pnwmom Dec 2013 #11
Well some, others have to be administered in other ways, such as Vitamin K... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #13
What did she say that is anti-science? pnwmom Dec 2013 #14
First off, she mentions "woo" as if what was the subject of her rant somehow goes against... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #15
If you had read her initial post you wouldn't be so confused. n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #16
OK so she's even more anti-science than I thought, not to mention not able to understand... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #20
Yes, because begging for a rigorous controlled study IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #26
The issue the Annuals of Internal Medicine was talking about was for healthy adults... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #29
You're making a generalization that is false. pnwmom Dec 2013 #34
Yet. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #42
What are you talking about? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #47
I apologize if my analogy was not clear. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #64
Who mentioned right or wrong here? Those are loaded words, we are talking about... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #46
And I suppose those who fund these peer-reviewed studies fund a lot of them on the Th1onein Dec 2013 #62
the discussion of trace minerals and human physiology is henceforth elehhhhna Dec 2013 #28
No, we are talking about someone misconstruing a report from a science journal... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #31
and Alexander Fleming was just fukking around with mold. elehhhhna Dec 2013 #36
SMOOCH! IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #58
got your back Ida elehhhhna Dec 2013 #86
She's reacting to all the DUers who call any discussions about pnwmom Dec 2013 #37
And the pro big-alternative medicine ideology is just as big if not an even bigger problem.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #45
There is an OP on DU right now with someone linking to a surgeon pnwmom Dec 2013 #48
I stand corrected on this, I looked it up and you are right... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #49
I agree. I think this was an oversight on his part, not a conspiracy. pnwmom Dec 2013 #50
I know in much of biology, the female is generally referred to as the default state... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #51
Interesting. It doesn't seem to persist, however, into medical school! n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #52
"technically those women who are chaste...don't need to take..." El_Johns Dec 2013 #76
+10000000000 Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #22
A very thought provoking post. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #7
K&R Excellent point, and well said. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #8
Ida, if you can find it, a link to your other post might be helpful. nt pnwmom Dec 2013 #17
Here it is --- IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #19
I don't accept anything that the medical journals don't accept. nt politichew Dec 2013 #18
What an eloquent rant... malthaussen Dec 2013 #23
Why, thank you! IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #32
I've never been overly-impressed by possessors of the Sacred Disease... uh, Degree... malthaussen Dec 2013 #35
So do you have any medical studies on zinc from scientific journals? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #24
You do not consider the Mayo Clinic a valid source? IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #30
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #38
You actually dismissed the MAYO CLINIC IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #41
I can't even take you seriously. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #43
Advanced technology looks like magic to the uneducated. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #54
Your arrogance is coming through loud and clear. GeorgeGist Dec 2013 #60
Truth. I'm an uppity woman, filled with the arrogance of the educated. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #66
And by the way, your reply is kind of proving my point. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #84
they're not difficult to find renate Dec 2013 #40
K&R.... daleanime Dec 2013 #25
EPICness of the awesomeness. sibelian Dec 2013 #27
Thank you! Even "information" from WOMEN? IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #33
You'd sort of think it would be ESPECIALLY from women, wouldn't you? sibelian Dec 2013 #78
Bless Queen Victoria - prior to her they were INSISTING IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #80
K & R BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #39
I find it deliciously ironic that the people against woo are now pushing FUD in GD. Rex Dec 2013 #44
What is FUD? IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #72
FUD - fear uncertainty and doubt. Rex Dec 2013 #74
The funny thing about your piglet and infant analogy justiceischeap Dec 2013 #53
Don't tell anyone but I picked that species for this example on purpose. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #55
That's a righteous rant, doctors assume your brains came out Warpy Dec 2013 #56
How we talk definitely impacts how credible we are deemed. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #71
That's why I would have followed my pediatrician almost anywhere. pnwmom Dec 2013 #75
Kick. You keep ranting, Ida! Squinch Dec 2013 #57
Thank you, Squinch! IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #73
Fantastic! thucythucy Dec 2013 #59
(blush) IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #67
Ida, sorry to tell you this, but there's a MAJOR reason they don't take nutrition seriously. Th1onein Dec 2013 #61
I believe that there is still the war between the "educated" IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #70
I agree so much with this post laundry_queen Dec 2013 #77
Vitamin D for me is an "only in the morning" thing IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #79
I disagree with you, Ida. Th1onein Dec 2013 #81
I'm glad. The whole thing is really infuriating. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #85
My mother had to find a female doctor, before she was diagnosed. Rex Dec 2013 #63
Good point. 840high Dec 2013 #65
Thank you! IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #68
Very welcome! Rex Dec 2013 #69
I had a friend who was diagnosed with Stage 4 colon cancer.... Th1onein Dec 2013 #82
Same here, people put their faith in their doctor's diagnosis. Rex Dec 2013 #83
what is "woo"? Iris Dec 2013 #87
As used here on DU it can charitably be described -- IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #88
yes. and, oh dear. is this still DU? Iris Dec 2013 #89
To be fair, there are probably less than twenty or so anti-woo IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #90
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