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El_Johns

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76. "technically those women who are chaste...don't need to take..."
Sat Dec 21, 2013, 02:09 AM
Dec 2013

Not the case at all.

A "healthy" woman of childbearing age is able to bear a child without spina bifida. It doesn't really matter whether the woman is chaste or not; she isn't "healthy" if she doesn't have the capacity to bear a healthy child -- or her diet isn't healthy. Presumably that lack of health has subclinical manifestations even if she chooses not to have a child.

For example, low levels of various B vitamins can lead to elevated blood homocysteine:

Homocysteine is a non-protein α-amino acid. It is biosynthesized from methionine by the removal of its terminal Cε methyl group. Homocysteine can be recycled into methionine or converted into cysteine with the aid of B-vitamins.

A high level of homocysteine makes a person more prone to endothelial injury, which leads to vascular inflammation, which in turn may lead to atherogenesis, which can result in ischemic injury. Hyperhomocysteinemia is therefore a possible risk factor for coronary artery disease.

Hyperhomocysteinemia has been correlated with the occurrence of blood clots, heart attacks and strokes, though it is unclear whether hyperhomocysteinemia is an independent risk factor for these conditions. It can cause miscarriage and/or pre-eclampsia in pregnant women, and can lead to birth defects.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homocysteine

Folic acid deficiency is considered the most common cause of hyperhomocysteinemia. An adequate intake of at least 400 microg of folate per day is difficult to maintain even with a balanced diet, and high-risk groups often find it impossible to meet these folate requirements. Based on the available evidence, there is an increasing call for the diagnosis and treatment of elevated homocysteine levels in high-risk individuals in general and patients with manifest vascular disease in particular....Based on various calculation models, reduction of elevated plasma homocysteine concentrations may theoretically prevent up to 25 percent of cardiovascular events. Supplementation is inexpensive, potentially effective, and devoid of adverse effects and, therefore, has an exceptionally favorable benefit/risk ratio. The results of ongoing randomized controlled intervention trials must be available before screening for and treatment of hyperhomocysteinemia can be recommended for the apparently healthy general population.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15252738


I don't think these blanket declarations about "expensive pee" are very useful. There are so many special cases, exceptions & codicils, it's just a bullshit statement.

I take a half a multi every day or so. I consider it "insurance," & I can tell the difference when I neglect to take it for a long period -- my gums will start to bleed. Gum bleeding isn't healthy; taking a vitamin regularly stops it. It works & it's low risk in comparison with a lot of medical interventions.

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k&r nt bananas Dec 2013 #1
Excellent rant! livetohike Dec 2013 #2
I could write volumes on the effect of nutrition on the health Holly_Hobby Dec 2013 #3
you sound like an awesome mom! Chrom Dec 2013 #4
Wow. I think you're really onto something here. pnwmom Dec 2013 #5
That's silly, for example, if vets were to use cats as an example, humans would be eating a diet... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #9
Vets, more than many doctors, stress the importance of nutrition. pnwmom Dec 2013 #10
Every time I go to a doctor, they always emphasize the importance of a balanced diet. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #12
Me too. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #21
Nothing you said changes the fact that many multivitamins and other supplements... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #6
Preemies don't eat a balanced diet. They consume breast milk or formula pnwmom Dec 2013 #11
Well some, others have to be administered in other ways, such as Vitamin K... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #13
What did she say that is anti-science? pnwmom Dec 2013 #14
First off, she mentions "woo" as if what was the subject of her rant somehow goes against... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #15
If you had read her initial post you wouldn't be so confused. n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #16
OK so she's even more anti-science than I thought, not to mention not able to understand... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #20
Yes, because begging for a rigorous controlled study IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #26
The issue the Annuals of Internal Medicine was talking about was for healthy adults... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #29
You're making a generalization that is false. pnwmom Dec 2013 #34
Yet. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #42
What are you talking about? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #47
I apologize if my analogy was not clear. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #64
Who mentioned right or wrong here? Those are loaded words, we are talking about... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #46
And I suppose those who fund these peer-reviewed studies fund a lot of them on the Th1onein Dec 2013 #62
the discussion of trace minerals and human physiology is henceforth elehhhhna Dec 2013 #28
No, we are talking about someone misconstruing a report from a science journal... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #31
and Alexander Fleming was just fukking around with mold. elehhhhna Dec 2013 #36
SMOOCH! IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #58
got your back Ida elehhhhna Dec 2013 #86
She's reacting to all the DUers who call any discussions about pnwmom Dec 2013 #37
And the pro big-alternative medicine ideology is just as big if not an even bigger problem.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #45
There is an OP on DU right now with someone linking to a surgeon pnwmom Dec 2013 #48
I stand corrected on this, I looked it up and you are right... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #49
I agree. I think this was an oversight on his part, not a conspiracy. pnwmom Dec 2013 #50
I know in much of biology, the female is generally referred to as the default state... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #51
Interesting. It doesn't seem to persist, however, into medical school! n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #52
"technically those women who are chaste...don't need to take..." El_Johns Dec 2013 #76
+10000000000 Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #22
A very thought provoking post. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #7
K&R Excellent point, and well said. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #8
Ida, if you can find it, a link to your other post might be helpful. nt pnwmom Dec 2013 #17
Here it is --- IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #19
I don't accept anything that the medical journals don't accept. nt politichew Dec 2013 #18
What an eloquent rant... malthaussen Dec 2013 #23
Why, thank you! IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #32
I've never been overly-impressed by possessors of the Sacred Disease... uh, Degree... malthaussen Dec 2013 #35
So do you have any medical studies on zinc from scientific journals? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #24
You do not consider the Mayo Clinic a valid source? IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #30
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #38
You actually dismissed the MAYO CLINIC IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #41
I can't even take you seriously. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #43
Advanced technology looks like magic to the uneducated. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #54
Your arrogance is coming through loud and clear. GeorgeGist Dec 2013 #60
Truth. I'm an uppity woman, filled with the arrogance of the educated. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #66
And by the way, your reply is kind of proving my point. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #84
they're not difficult to find renate Dec 2013 #40
K&R.... daleanime Dec 2013 #25
EPICness of the awesomeness. sibelian Dec 2013 #27
Thank you! Even "information" from WOMEN? IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #33
You'd sort of think it would be ESPECIALLY from women, wouldn't you? sibelian Dec 2013 #78
Bless Queen Victoria - prior to her they were INSISTING IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #80
K & R BuddhaGirl Dec 2013 #39
I find it deliciously ironic that the people against woo are now pushing FUD in GD. Rex Dec 2013 #44
What is FUD? IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #72
FUD - fear uncertainty and doubt. Rex Dec 2013 #74
The funny thing about your piglet and infant analogy justiceischeap Dec 2013 #53
Don't tell anyone but I picked that species for this example on purpose. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #55
That's a righteous rant, doctors assume your brains came out Warpy Dec 2013 #56
How we talk definitely impacts how credible we are deemed. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #71
That's why I would have followed my pediatrician almost anywhere. pnwmom Dec 2013 #75
Kick. You keep ranting, Ida! Squinch Dec 2013 #57
Thank you, Squinch! IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #73
Fantastic! thucythucy Dec 2013 #59
(blush) IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #67
Ida, sorry to tell you this, but there's a MAJOR reason they don't take nutrition seriously. Th1onein Dec 2013 #61
I believe that there is still the war between the "educated" IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #70
I agree so much with this post laundry_queen Dec 2013 #77
Vitamin D for me is an "only in the morning" thing IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #79
I disagree with you, Ida. Th1onein Dec 2013 #81
I'm glad. The whole thing is really infuriating. IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #85
My mother had to find a female doctor, before she was diagnosed. Rex Dec 2013 #63
Good point. 840high Dec 2013 #65
Thank you! IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #68
Very welcome! Rex Dec 2013 #69
I had a friend who was diagnosed with Stage 4 colon cancer.... Th1onein Dec 2013 #82
Same here, people put their faith in their doctor's diagnosis. Rex Dec 2013 #83
what is "woo"? Iris Dec 2013 #87
As used here on DU it can charitably be described -- IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #88
yes. and, oh dear. is this still DU? Iris Dec 2013 #89
To be fair, there are probably less than twenty or so anti-woo IdaBriggs Dec 2013 #90
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