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(26,451 posts) Sat Dec 21, 2013, 01:45 PM Dec 2013

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Many here are now owed Beer and Travel Money with an apology [View all]

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"The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance."
- Robert R. Coveyou, Oak Ridge National Laboratory

To all you people who said I was crazy that the NSA could have a back door into encryption, my inference back in July is now confirmed.

My mistake back then was I thought Cisco was compromised and it now turns out that RSA itself is compromised. How was it compromised? A subtle flaw in the random number generation that I suspect allows the private key to be deduced from the public key.

This would be funny if it wasn't so sickening.

So to all who said I was nuts, who hassled me for attending the anti-NSA rally, it's your turn to be mocked. Unless you want to stand up and say Sorry, Hoot I guess you did know a little about this tech stuff.

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Many here are now owed Beer and Travel Money with an apology [View all] hootinholler Dec 2013 OP

Rec for the marvelous allusion Feral Child Dec 2013 #1

Rec for the same reason as the other rec. nolabear Dec 2013 #2

�and many experiences. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #3

Ah yes, Random Thoughts... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #26

Here you go. woo me with science Dec 2013 #39

I loved Twilighr Zone heaven05 Dec 2013 #74

Before I clicked on the thread I though Random Thouhgts was back! Jazzgirl Dec 2013 #84

Ha ha dreamnightwind Dec 2013 #86

I was trying to think of a way to say pretty much what you did here. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #87

Me too, but I always tried to understand tavalon Dec 2013 #110

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for an apology. sibelian Dec 2013 #4

I considered posting a list of user names hootinholler Dec 2013 #7

I've forgotten most of their names. i could go and look at my ignore list... sibelian Dec 2013 #15

I double-dare them. It's time that sort gets openly ridiculed. So sick of people that ridicule ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #31

It would be nice if "Being an Authoritarian Toady" was an alertable offense. Maedhros Dec 2013 #67

wow, "authoritarian toady" is such a perfect label. thx Vattel Dec 2013 #96

No need to post names. By their works shall ye know them. Maedhros Dec 2013 #66

Or post flame bait just to riducule those who prefer not to make Big Pharma richer or injest ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #98

k&r for beer and travel money. Not to mention many experiences. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #5

mmmm beer JVS Dec 2013 #6

Have a beer, or at least a virtual beer. malthaussen Dec 2013 #9

BitCoin works hootinholler Dec 2013 #22

Perhaps the NSA invented BitCoin MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #53

IDK if BitCoin uses RSA algorithims hootinholler Dec 2013 #54

Nobody knows who "Satoshi Nakamoto" is... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #60

Well, I doubt they speak in script kiddie hootinholler Dec 2013 #63

Bitmessage, based on Bitcoin, is broken and easily tracable. joshcryer Dec 2013 #102

FYI - BitCoin Random Number Generator Attack reACTIONary Dec 2013 #59

Oh man! OUCH! hootinholler Dec 2013 #61

Somebody owes me... MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #70

NIST has actually been actively finding bugs and reporting them: joshcryer Dec 2013 #105

Let's see... I'm going to conduct an illegal transaction... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #108

Looks like you were right. Lasher Dec 2013 #8

Well it does eliminate that cause hootinholler Dec 2013 #11

Now you're just freaking me out. pintobean Dec 2013 #17

Why would anyone want to shut down discussion of the national security state? Octafish Dec 2013 #10

Shout it from the fucking hilltops my friend hootinholler Dec 2013 #14

I hear ya' PeoViejo Dec 2013 #73

Riders in the Sky Octafish Dec 2013 #94

I mentioned that pic upthread... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #28

I think it's from Twilight Zone suffragette Dec 2013 #33

Burgess Meredith Octafish Dec 2013 #36

Ah, of course... awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #41

i think it may be from a much earlier movie. stella by starlight tiny elvis Dec 2013 #88

Thank you, tiny elvis! Octafish Dec 2013 #93

Doubleplusgood! nt woo me with science Dec 2013 #40

I can think of three reasons. One is denial. Discussions are tough on those living in denial. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #55

I'll leave this here, since it's on topic... Maedhros Dec 2013 #68

It's a harder life, not to bow down to authority, tavalon Dec 2013 #111

I think very few Americans are raised to be open-minded and not just trust authorities rhett o rick Dec 2013 #115

We live in an authoritarian society tavalon Dec 2013 #120

+1 . . . .n/t annabanana Dec 2013 #107

It is DU dear nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #12

K&R As are many of us. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #13

That is true hootinholler Dec 2013 #21

So, fuck 'em, we'll get our own damned beer! Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #24

You are a prophet. undeterred Dec 2013 #16

Not at all hootinholler Dec 2013 #19

Rec for "Beer and Travel Money" progressoid Dec 2013 #18

K&R! Hatchling Dec 2013 #20

I did not respond to you you at all. I thought you were nuts, but I kept it to myself. Even so ... 11 Bravo Dec 2013 #23

I've always held you in high regard hootinholler Dec 2013 #43

I appreciate that. (But I still WISH you had been wrong. I love this country, and right now ... 11 Bravo Dec 2013 #47

I would love to have been wrong! hootinholler Dec 2013 #49

Friendly correction: the Internets seem to think it is Coveyou who said that. eomer Dec 2013 #25

Thank you for that! hootinholler Dec 2013 #29

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #27

Sorry, I am too broke right now awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #30

They won't apologize. But everyone can go back to those threads and see ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #32

Well I don't owe you a thing. zeemike Dec 2013 #34

K&R DeSwiss Dec 2013 #35

We'll all meet in Vallhalla Demeter Dec 2013 #37

Random Thoughts! TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #38

K&R woo me with science Dec 2013 #42

K&R Keep on truckin. nt raouldukelives Dec 2013 #44

I refuse to apologize. Glassunion Dec 2013 #45

Don't say you weren't warned when the NSA comes sniffing around your packets hootinholler Dec 2013 #46

But, but, but he had boxes in his garage and ran to Russia for god's sakes! Scuba Dec 2013 #48

He had an altar to Ayn Rand too! hootinholler Dec 2013 #50

I heard he was the product of Ayn Rand's frozen eggs MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #71

Now THAT'S one damn disgusting mental image..... paleotn Dec 2013 #92

As I was typing that MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #97

Scary but not surprising PrestonLocke Dec 2013 #51

Regarding certain aspects of modern life randr Dec 2013 #52

There was no tinhat involved hootinholler Dec 2013 #56

Is that the same people bvar22 Dec 2013 #57

I doubt the apologies, beer or travel money will appear from that quarter suffragette Dec 2013 #58

How have you been? hootinholler Dec 2013 #64

Been deluged at work suffragette Dec 2013 #78

It's been crazy around here hootinholler Dec 2013 #82

Hope the dinner was great! suffragette Dec 2013 #100

Recommended! NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #62

Oh, you great big narcissist, you. sibelian Dec 2013 #65

I don't think you're nuts, but I think you are getting some of this wrong. DanTex Dec 2013 #69

You have good points... hootinholler Dec 2013 #72

I've seen that slide and I'm not clear what the implications are. DanTex Dec 2013 #75

If what you are suggesting was scalable... hootinholler Dec 2013 #79

Well, I'm sure they are trying to get the content. DanTex Dec 2013 #83

It's grabbing all plaintext. joshcryer Dec 2013 #104

Good info..... Logical Dec 2013 #109

The Snowden Haters And NSA Apologists Will Never Come Clean cantbeserious Dec 2013 #76

I never doubted you although I didnt openly support you either. I guess I just rhett o rick Dec 2013 #77

I remember you being one of the few, if not the only one, of our KoKo Dec 2013 #80

I don't know a thing about 'random number generators' Lifelong Protester Dec 2013 #81

I've always imagined a dial where you tune it till,...oh wait,...that's an old TV set.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #85

I thought Cisco was compromised and it now turns out that RSA itself is compromised. lunasun Dec 2013 #89

rec. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #90

Forget the apology Incitatus Dec 2013 #91

"The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance." Xipe Totec Dec 2013 #95

I miss Random Thoughts. Aristus Dec 2013 #99

Top of the Greatest Page. woo me with science Dec 2013 #101

RSA is not compromised, FIPS 140-2 is, if Dual EC_DRBG is enabled. joshcryer Dec 2013 #103

Yes, I was technically imprecise hootinholler Dec 2013 #114

Remember, SecureIDs root keys were leaked. joshcryer Dec 2013 #116

Where did the "beer and travel money" meme come from, and what does it mean? Owl Dec 2013 #106

A beloved (and by some, not so beloved) tavalon Dec 2013 #112

WOW you've been around a long time hootinholler Dec 2013 #118

Recced for the call back to a famous Duer tavalon Dec 2013 #113

I'll take some beer and travel money Aerows Dec 2013 #117

kick woo me with science Dec 2013 #119