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eggplant

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66. I don't know where to begin.

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 03:12 PM

Dec 2013

Are you suggesting that people shouldn't (or don't) have the right to use publicly verifiable unbreakable (for the moment) encryption? People who haven't been accused or convicted of any crime? That somehow the existence and availability of such tools is inherently bad?

Do you honestly think that it is the security of the encryption that causes people traffic in child porn or slaves? *That's* what's keeping us from catching them? Really? Do you really think that if unbreakable encryption is made illegal, that this would in any way affect the behavior of people who traffic in such things?

Why not require that all physical locks be pickable? That houses can't have curtains? That the titles of the books I choose to read be made available without a warrant?

The fifth amendment gives us the right to not self-incriminate. If I am forced to use encryption with known flaws, then I lose the right to private communication, which could be incriminating. I shouldn't have to demonstrate that I'm not using it for bad things by making it freely readable by others.

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Wow! I work in the Network Security business and this piece blows me away. [View all] trumad Dec 2013 OP

Corrupt beyond measure. woo me with science Dec 2013 #1

+1 cantbeserious Dec 2013 #9

For some reason, I am unable to rec this post. woo me with science Dec 2013 #2

NSA? trumad Dec 2013 #3

Heh heh. woo me with science Dec 2013 #6

It isn't outside the realm of possibilities. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #20

With this level of corruption and criminality, woo me with science Dec 2013 #32

well, clearly the NSA is unhappy about it... ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2013 #4

Clearing cache and cookies did the trick. woo me with science Dec 2013 #7

i cleared cookies this morning, too ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2013 #10

I like your cookies better than my cookies. woo me with science Dec 2013 #17

Same here. 840high Dec 2013 #91

That really is messed up. surrealAmerican Dec 2013 #5

With This Revelation In Mind - Consider That The Whole Edifice Of Government Is Corrupted cantbeserious Dec 2013 #8

We have a lot of work ahead of us to clean up this mess - it may take a lifetime. reformist2 Dec 2013 #18

The bush crime family set a whole new standard of corruption in America. We may loudsue Dec 2013 #37

It is Obama's surveillance state now. nt woo me with science Dec 2013 #40

I agree with everything you say except it seems you want to blame Republicans. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #50

Funny But I somehow don't remember George W truedelphi Dec 2013 #71

We sure dodged a bullet when we didn't get single payer! (nt) Recursion Dec 2013 #108

Right You Are Since What We Have Is Insurance Reform - So Much For Hope And Change cantbeserious Dec 2013 #113

One of the reasons I keep no sensitive data on a computer that connects to the outside world. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #11

Or a phone or on any computer in the world that may have information about us jtuck004 Dec 2013 #14

Anything I truly don't want anyone to know about is kept in the safest location of all hobbit709 Dec 2013 #15

Ha. That's kinda what I was thinking. One hopes. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2013 #19

That makes no difference. All your sensitive data is on computers, and they are all spied on. Romulox Dec 2013 #22

That's not the stuff I worry about. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #23

You likely have an idiosyncratic definition of "sensitive data" then. Romulox Dec 2013 #25

Those are matters of public knowledge. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #28

You are spouting absolute gibberish, of course. SS#, Bank accounts "public knowledge"? Romulox Dec 2013 #29

those items are available if you know where and how to look. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #30

Right. That place is the bank's encrypted database. With an NSA backdoor key. Romulox Dec 2013 #31

But you're not bothered if it stays? woo me with science Dec 2013 #34

If I would be perfectly happy if it's gone, the opposite holds if it stays. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #35

Why? woo me with science Dec 2013 #41

I am more worried about a extreme power shift politically to the right .. and what they're YOHABLO Dec 2013 #89

I buy stuff and earned money in public places. I don't just drive in my back yard. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #79

Phone calls cross the public spectrum. So why care if the gov't listens? Where's the distinction? Romulox Dec 2013 #116

They don't physically follow you to your lawyer's office. It would be too obvious. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #120

If someone physically followed me to my lawyer's office, I would go to court and get a restraining JDPriestly Dec 2013 #122

Now they will be intrigued to know Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2013 #38

As best as I can make out, RSA said no to Clinton, yes to Bush in 2006, ucrdem Dec 2013 #12

You should. Maedhros Dec 2013 #68

and in other news, Inspector Renault is shocked to find gambling going at Rick's place. nt ucrdem Dec 2013 #69

Again - why is is so important to you to discourage people from paying attention Maedhros Dec 2013 #70

It's not old news to the poster. It's just rationalization in his/her part. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #74

Its a fun game they have going quakerboy Dec 2013 #99

Who's should-ing whom? ucrdem Dec 2013 #80

You dismiss the importance of the OP Maedhros Dec 2013 #81

I read the link and clarified the timeline. You're welcome. nt ucrdem Dec 2013 #82

As I said, the timeline is not important. Maedhros Dec 2013 #83

Well, that was honest. nt ucrdem Dec 2013 #84

Doesn't surprise me at all. bemildred Dec 2013 #13

K&R - This is chilling. n/t myrna minx Dec 2013 #16

More criminal activity from a government agency that nothing will be done about. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #21

this is disgusting! shireen Dec 2013 #24

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #26

And to think there is far more yet to be revealed, it's beyond corrupt. nt mother earth Dec 2013 #27

Thank you Reuters!! johnnyreb Dec 2013 #33

+1 The few remaining investigative journalists deserve high praise woo me with science Dec 2013 #36

Large tail wagging dog Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2013 #39

Free software is the answer. DireStrike Dec 2013 #42

And safe for child pornographers and human traffickers. Think it through. randome Dec 2013 #46

Ok, let's ban anything that a criminal can use. Think it through. DireStrike Dec 2013 #48

You appear to choose security over liberty. nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #51

Only when there is no alternative. randome Dec 2013 #54

There is always a choice. If The Powers To Be gave you the choice of eliminating child pornography rhett o rick Dec 2013 #56

Yes they have trumad Dec 2013 #62

it's for your own good.... mike_c Dec 2013 #64

So is food. eggplant Dec 2013 #52

I don't understand your point. randome Dec 2013 #55

I don't know where to begin. eggplant Dec 2013 #66

Not really. joshcryer Dec 2013 #97

"Not really." cprise Dec 2013 #107

The poster was saying you couldn't get caught. joshcryer Dec 2013 #112

My bad. I thought you replied to #42. n/t cprise Dec 2013 #115

No worries. joshcryer Dec 2013 #117

Anonymity tools are still necessary cprise Dec 2013 #118

Absolutely! joshcryer Dec 2013 #119

Check out Qubes OS cprise Dec 2013 #110

"The NSA declined to comment." progressoid Dec 2013 #43

Right, Lara Logan is probably on it. :-D closeupready Dec 2013 #75

My rec worked - TBF Dec 2013 #44

As I pointed out in one of the other threads on this... randome Dec 2013 #45

Great post!! Major Hogwash Dec 2013 #67

Like the Composite Superman? randome Dec 2013 #93

You were asked above (and declined to answer, interestingly) if closeupready Dec 2013 #77

I don't see that it's a pertinent question. randome Dec 2013 #92

Skype joined NSA PRISM just weeks after MS bought them. n/t cprise Dec 2013 #106

Son of a bitch! hootinholler Dec 2013 #47

What a bunch of scumbags! NealK Dec 2013 #49

This is, indeed, a BIG fucking deal. nt Poll_Blind Dec 2013 #53

You say you work in "the Network Security business", but this "blows you away"? Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #57

It blows me away because... trumad Dec 2013 #61

No, it's just a "soap opera!" Hissyspit Dec 2013 #76

NIST recently disowned Dual EC DRBG. joshcryer Dec 2013 #98

I happen to have some knowledge in this area also AAO Dec 2013 #104

Rec'd, no surprise Corruption Inc Dec 2013 #58

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #59

This is a must read. jsr Dec 2013 #60

K&R DeSwiss Dec 2013 #63

Nothing new here. sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #65

So, let me get this straight..... Th1onein Dec 2013 #72

Don't be so hard on the NSA, Yavapai Dec 2013 #73

K&R Solly Mack Dec 2013 #78

Steven Levy strongly hinted that the NSA had already done in public key crypto back in 2001. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #85

Where are those who will say they don't care because it's a Dem administration? OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #86

Oh a couple of the usual have shown up. riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #88

Loyalty to the party is more important than loyalty neverforget Dec 2013 #95

Pretty clear this is assbackwards, NSA needs to be under high surveillance. The threats RKP5637 Dec 2013 #87

If you are a real programmer you would never trust a package "random" number generator jimlup Dec 2013 #90

I still have a hardware RNG PCMCIA card Recursion Dec 2013 #111

K&R me b zola Dec 2013 #94

Fortunately the open crypto community didn't adopt it. joshcryer Dec 2013 #96

I don't believe that there is any encryption publically available that the gov't can't crack. Renew Deal Dec 2013 #100

There is an audit going on for True Crypt, an open source encryption program. Kablooie Dec 2013 #102

I trust both serpent and twofish Recursion Dec 2013 #109

Exactly, the more that comes to light, the more we have to thank Snowden for Warpy Dec 2013 #101

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #105

Danny Casolaro reported on this in 1990 Midnight Writer Dec 2013 #103

I think people are just confused about who/what constitute "the government" Doctor_J Dec 2013 #114

kick woo me with science Dec 2013 #121