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gerogie2

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79. Single payer system is the only way to go

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 10:19 PM

Dec 2013

Doesn't it make more sense to just have a flat tax for all people that have income? Trying to force people that don't have health care into buying health care is not working. By the end of this decade millions of employees will no longer have health care insurance as business sees it cheaper to just pay the $2k tax per employee then thousand more per year.

The US government could set it up like the postal service as an independent agency. I think a flat 7-8% tax, just like SS will work. We could also get rid of the earned income tax credit to help pay for it.

As this decade marches on republicans will face more people without HC insurance that will demand the government do something. The wing nut tea party isn't strong enough to keep people from wanting change in HC insurance.

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My wife and I were triply-screwed by health care insurance . . . [View all] Journeyman Dec 2013 OP

Kick! hedgehog Dec 2013 #1

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #2

Excellent post, Journeyman. brer cat Dec 2013 #3

My spouse & I have a somewhat similar experience: snot Dec 2013 #4

Good for you and Mrs. Journeyman! WinkyDink Dec 2013 #5

Kick for the Small Business Owner in my life. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #6

Who can afford $1,181 per month for insurance (plus deductible)????????? antigop Dec 2013 #7

It's a question I've asked myself 2-1/2 times over each month for the past 20 years. . . Journeyman Dec 2013 #8

Someone making 10-15,000 a month? zeemike Dec 2013 #21

Which is why Obamacare provides massive tax-credits for the working poor... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #30

And who does that massive tax credits go to? zeemike Dec 2013 #33

So you reserve the right to criticize something you don't understand? riqster Dec 2013 #38

I understand what it is like to be poor. zeemike Dec 2013 #40

Read post #9. The ACA is HELPING a lot of people. brush Dec 2013 #43

Can you support your claim that Health Insurance is not making as much as they used to? bvar22 Dec 2013 #60

I understand being poor, too. Having been homeless at one time did that trick. riqster Dec 2013 #47

wait--I'm in a GOP controlled Medicaid-expansion-denying state zazen Dec 2013 #51

Indeed. We need to take back the House and Senate. riqster Dec 2013 #53

What false message am I spreading? zeemike Dec 2013 #52

Your message is "the ACA helps the insurance companies and not the rest of us". riqster Dec 2013 #54

And what partial truth is in that? zeemike Dec 2013 #55

It helps the insurance companies, but not ONLY them. riqster Dec 2013 #57

Well hell that is true for everything. zeemike Dec 2013 #58

Letting the Repubes off the hook and only criticizing the Prexy is the issue. riqster Dec 2013 #59

Pointing out the flaws in the plan is not letting the Repugs off the hook zeemike Dec 2013 #62

I'd say that bashing the Dems and ignoring the actions of the Repubes... riqster Dec 2013 #64

Bill MOyers is spreading falsehoods too, according to some here. bvar22 Dec 2013 #61

I guess because third way is the official way now. zeemike Dec 2013 #63

Well, ya'll just keep holding your breath until you turn blue... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #67

The people I hate are mad. zeemike Dec 2013 #68

Do you hate President Obama? ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #73

Is the president mad?...is that what you are saying? zeemike Dec 2013 #74

Your situation sounds a lot like mine. Cracklin Charlie Dec 2013 #9

k & r thanks for posting..... nt Stuart G Dec 2013 #10

I won't even start to say what the infernal 'free market' health insurance con did to my family... freshwest Dec 2013 #11

$1,200/month + copays + deductibles is STILL extortion. bvar22 Dec 2013 #12

Couldn't agree with you more. It's criminal. . . Journeyman Dec 2013 #13

^^^This^^^ bvar22 Dec 2013 #36

EXACTLY. nt antigop Dec 2013 #14

older people making over 400% FPL really get nailed. I've mentioned this numerous times. antigop Dec 2013 #15

If you make ONE PENNY under the 400% FPL you get NO SUBSIDY as well whopis01 Dec 2013 #27

I got beaten up over this a few weeks ago. My wife and I make a hair over the $72K cutoff Flatulo Dec 2013 #49

well, you just need to reduce your income below 400%FPL. antigop Dec 2013 #56

You might have to settle for a bronze or silver plan. subterranean Dec 2013 #65

If you don't qualify for a subsidy, cynzke Dec 2013 #70

I think you need to look again YBR31 Dec 2013 #75

No Subsidy... cynzke Dec 2013 #69

+1 Legal extortion. progressoid Dec 2013 #18

...but it IS a kinder, gentler extortion now that the Democrats are doing it! bvar22 Dec 2013 #26

Well said....n/t zeemike Dec 2013 #34

Pure profits, for some anyway ... slipslidingaway Dec 2013 #42

lol ctsnowman Dec 2013 #28

THANK YOU Skittles Dec 2013 #41

It's about the greater good brush Dec 2013 #44

True, ProSense Dec 2013 #46

I like the part of the criminal empire where I live! Larry Ogg Dec 2013 #48

Especially when you consider in a country like the UK OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #50

Should sign the "waiting list" to get on fox-nonsense to share your horror story... Hulk Dec 2013 #16

+1. It is important to remember that the perfect is the enemy of the good. eggplant Dec 2013 #17

K&R. (nt) Kurovski Dec 2013 #19

A+ peace13 Dec 2013 #20

Makes me wish like hell our Dems would start pushing memes and framings about the GOP - like calimary Dec 2013 #22

Have you ever asked yourself WHY the Democrats refuse to do what you suggest? bvar22 Dec 2013 #37

I am glad for you, but the ACA is not an incremental step forward toward health care Doctor_J Dec 2013 #23

1200 a month is still a grand theft. It's better than before but that doesn't mean it's good. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #24

As I pointed out upthread, I'm just some schlub from the Southland, trying to get by . . . Journeyman Dec 2013 #25

My work plan goes from an 90 10 ctsnowman Dec 2013 #29

Thanks for sharing. pnwmom Dec 2013 #31

One of my relatives is supposed to be an ACA loser. pnwmom Dec 2013 #32

It's strange that right-wing talk hosts claim their coverage is much more expensive ... JEFF9K Dec 2013 #35

amazing post. Thank you KentuckyWoman Dec 2013 #39

That, ProSense Dec 2013 #45

legalized, government-sanctioned theft cvoogt Dec 2013 #66

Need to have public option Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2013 #78

K & R Scurrilous Dec 2013 #71

great post with great information. JanT Dec 2013 #72

Today's NYT reports on ACA... far less glowingly. proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #76

thank you...exactly what some of us have said....older people get nailed...and antigop Dec 2013 #77

Single payer system is the only way to go gerogie2 Dec 2013 #79