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Comrade Grumpy

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61. Oh, Good Christ.

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 11:26 PM

Dec 2013

But okay:

I think we can agree on the general proposition that "grabbing a strange woman, holding her where she can't get away, and kssing her is not ok."

As regards to that particular image, it is iconic, and I have never before heard anyone interpret it as sexual assault. (Something about "if all you have is a hammer..." comes to mind.)

As for whether I think "it is ok to do that to a woman if you fight a war," you can sleep a bit easier tonight because I'm old and have no plans to fight a war.

But that's not what I said. I said I might do it next time I was in uniform and we had a won a war. If I were the guy in the photo, yes, I might have done just the same thing. Swept up in the emotion and elation of the moment, and all that. I would hope that the woman would take it in the spirit of joy and happiness it was offered, and not have me prosecuted for sexual assault. But, yeah, on that occasion, I might just take that risk.

The world has more than one-dimension.

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Italian protester's kiss was 'sexual violence' [View all] The Straight Story Dec 2013 OP

This is what happens when the slipper slope Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #1

what are you suggesting? there should not be sexual assault laws? nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #9

Are you saying this is NOT sexual assault? Bonobo Dec 2013 #13

"This is what happens when the slipper slope" i replied to this. you are in left field seabeyond Dec 2013 #14

No, you did not answer my question. Bonobo Dec 2013 #16

no. i did not answer your question. excellent observation. i do not have to answer your question. seabeyond Dec 2013 #17

I can see why it would be problematic to answer. Bonobo Dec 2013 #18

firstly it is not a challenge to answer. secondly, are you suggesting i am a liar? seabeyond Dec 2013 #20

Not at all. Bonobo Dec 2013 #21

and you know that is why i did not give an answer? again... fuck that shit bonobo. seabeyond Dec 2013 #23

I didn't call you either. Bonobo Dec 2013 #25

whata piece of work you are. you say because i did not succumb to your bullying tactic of trying to seabeyond Dec 2013 #29

It's hilarious that you think my very simple question was bullying. Bonobo Dec 2013 #34

calling me a liar, a hypocrite, that i cannot answer a question, demanding i do or you insult my seabeyond Dec 2013 #39

Look, it's very simple. Bonobo Dec 2013 #42

pathetic seabeyond Dec 2013 #45

That's a post I can completely agree with. Bonobo Dec 2013 #47

Crazy making.2 xulamaude Dec 2013 #80

You are not being bullied. You are being schooled. There's a difference. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #120

reducing oneself calling people names to shame them into doing something? nothing schooled there seabeyond Dec 2013 #121

You mean like when you insisted on using sexist names towards me? msanthrope Dec 2013 #123

I think you hit a nerve pintobean Dec 2013 #124

Yah...no kidding. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #125

not really pinto. it is all about educating. and if people are not aware, resolutions do not seabeyond Dec 2013 #126

I don't think many DUers pintobean Dec 2013 #127

you do not know one way or another. and you certainly have prejudice where that is concerned. seabeyond Dec 2013 #128

I can see the feedback pintobean Dec 2013 #129

you might want to discuss this with skinner. not us. by his own words. educate. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #130

Maybe you can come up with pintobean Dec 2013 #131

i have said what i wanted to say pinto. i am not playing a game. seabeyond Dec 2013 #132

She is holding the man's head Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #22

So are you saying that this woman who is kissing the helmet of a law enforcement officer madinmaryland Dec 2013 #24

No. Bonobo Dec 2013 #26

"in exactly the same way". yes. madinmaryland Dec 2013 #28

So we agree! Bonobo Dec 2013 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #32

Excuse me? This was contact without permission Warpy Dec 2013 #36

If the cop did it, it most certainly would be. seattledo Dec 2013 #50

Would you say the same if it was a male protestor Warpy Dec 2013 #54

So, if you had your druthers, would you be moving forward with charges in this case? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #52

"slippery slope". jazzimov Dec 2013 #106

Thanks Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #119

Wasn't that established with the actions of some six year-old in Colo.? 1000words Dec 2013 #2

This is going to backfire in Italy LittleBlue Dec 2013 #3

She kissed his helmet shield. newcriminal Dec 2013 #4

She also licked her fingers and tried to put them in his mouth Recursion Dec 2013 #109

I looked that up after reading your post newcriminal Dec 2013 #117

If that is the case that takes it a whole new level Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #122

That's the allegation, at least Recursion Dec 2013 #133

Ugh...that's a different twist. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #145

Will the helmet be receiving paid leave while it recovers from the trauma? n/t Scootaloo Dec 2013 #5

Silly Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 #6

Well remember awhile back.... Upton Dec 2013 #7

you are suggesting grabbing a strange woman, holding tight so she cant get away, and kissing her seabeyond Dec 2013 #8

So, now you can now read the mind of a woman from 60 years ago? Upton Dec 2013 #11

do you often grab a strange woman, hold her and kiss her? how does that work for you upton? seabeyond Dec 2013 #12

All the time..and it works just swell... Upton Dec 2013 #27

Whoa! madinmaryland Dec 2013 #30

Yep.. Upton Dec 2013 #33

Dude! You gotta stop hanging out with trumad! madinmaryland Dec 2013 #37

Just don't hold open any doors The Straight Story Dec 2013 #35

No kidding. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Dec 2013 #72

Now I know your shit stirring is deliberate BainsBane Dec 2013 #70

Did you think he comes here for anything else? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #74

it is known she was walking back from lunch. the man grabbed her, held her, kissed her. that seabeyond Dec 2013 #38

A little defensive aren't we? Upton Dec 2013 #40

chip on shoulder, assuming worst, not all men bad, every assault, hit a nerve, quit playing victim, seabeyond Dec 2013 #41

Okay, I've got a question then.. Upton Dec 2013 #49

Because it is a photo that shouldn't be treasured MattBaggins Dec 2013 #76

Thank you. redqueen Dec 2013 #105

I will do it the next time I'm in uniform and we win a world war. Until then, not so much. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #43

so grabbing a strange woman, holding her where she cant get away, and kissing her is not ok. seabeyond Dec 2013 #48

Was she trying to get away? NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #51

What the lady in the pic said about it: The Straight Story Dec 2013 #57

Thank you for the link. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #59

Oh, Good Christ. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #61

That picture is iconic MattBaggins Dec 2013 #77

Really? The spirit and joy? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #79

I don't actually have you on ignore, but I am ignoring you. Scoot, now. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #90

I don't see anything in that photo that suggests she was enjoying herself. historylovr Dec 2013 #78

Well, to be fair... Scootaloo Dec 2013 #81

"It was a happy event." NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #82

and this is all anyone is saying about the picture. as bummer as it is, it is ... reality seabeyond Dec 2013 #83

Ms. Friedman didn't think it was an assault. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #84

it was in the fuckin 1940's. duh. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #85

For someone who always complains about... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #86

where did i say a damn thing about rude? oh wait, i didnt. where did i personally insult you? seabeyond Dec 2013 #89

I believe I said something about you complaining that you were being personally insulted. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #94

but you had to throw your personal attacks in, dintcha. lmFao. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #95

"I have a bachelor's degree in history and government" xulamaude Dec 2013 #91

It was in response to another post... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #93

Is there something wrong with standing with a woman xulamaude Dec 2013 #96

Women in the 40's weren't smart enough to know when they were polly7 Dec 2013 #104

Well, there's two things, really... Scootaloo Dec 2013 #87

She seems okay witth it? Selective blindness. redqueen Dec 2013 #107

If only you could talk to her... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #115

So you agree the woman in the OP assaulted the officer, she is obviously gabbing his helmet Exultant Democracy Dec 2013 #97

she touched the man... right there the police can do something. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #98

Yeah they did do something, they arrested her for sexual violence. Exultant Democracy Dec 2013 #99

next time a police pulls you over to give you a ticket, reach out to him. see how that works for you seabeyond Dec 2013 #100

The last time I was pulled over the lady said I looked cute and let me off with a warning. Exultant Democracy Dec 2013 #102

white woman in american, i do not either. that being said, a zillion times more, seabeyond Dec 2013 #103

Yeah this picture capture a moment unique in American Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #10

Ah yes...the perpetual outrage crowd. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #46

can any of you men ever disagree without insulting or personally attacking a woman, ever.... seabeyond Dec 2013 #53

Sorry if you find facts insulting. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #55

I've been hearing about the xulamaude Dec 2013 #88

Cool story! NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #111

"You men"? Why not just go with "you people"? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #62

you men as the men in this thread, firstly. second. i MADE the men insult and personally attack me? seabeyond Dec 2013 #63

Please feel free to point out... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #71

Six hidden posts since October. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #65

oh. you got me.... grabbing heart and falling back. really? seabeyond Dec 2013 #66

Seven people have more than five hidden posts. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #67

i guess you have missed the Op i made about it and other threads i have discussed it, seabeyond Dec 2013 #69

Thankfully they're a distinct minority.. Upton Dec 2013 #56

Yes, but a loud minority. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #58

Considering the horrendous toll the war had taken on people all around the world polly7 Dec 2013 #64

"It's always made me happy to see it, anyway." NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #68

I hope you get a lot of smooches then, soon! nt polly7 Dec 2013 #73

It was sexual assault. PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #60

That woman is in a head lock. joshcryer Dec 2013 #75

I don't think he would have kissed me... yuiyoshida Dec 2013 #110

Well Upton... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #113

The visor has a claim; he doesn't. rug Dec 2013 #15

Interesting picture Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #19

So it's not sexual assault if you don't touch skin? Orrex Dec 2013 #101

Hey, you've just legalized frottage Recursion Dec 2013 #108

Okay, I'll admit it... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #112

I only know it from watching SVU (nt) Recursion Dec 2013 #114

Patsy, What's wrong? quinnox Dec 2013 #92

keep your hands off of people unless you have their consent. PERIOD. boston bean Dec 2013 #116

Would she have a valid complaint if HE kissed her back... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #118

Trashing obvious flamebait Squinch Dec 2013 #134

Three possible answers. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #135

"Sexual violence" can only be commited... 99Forever Dec 2013 #136

ya. from men like you, right now, repeatedly saying it. lol. yes you have. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #137

Nope. I learned it from militant, bitter, man-haters... 99Forever Dec 2013 #138

link. and i will be sure to attach the added insults and personal attacks. just cant help seabeyond Dec 2013 #139

I'd suggest you start with your own "My Posts" link. 99Forever Dec 2013 #140

so, you have no link to prove what you say. i suggest it is hands down feminists that calls out seabeyond Dec 2013 #141

Blah, blah, blah. 99Forever Dec 2013 #142

lol. happy holidays dude... seabeyond Dec 2013 #143

Don't touch anyone without permission. that is the moral of the story. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #144