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pnwmom

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46. No medical authorities recommend that black people "top up" their
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 05:12 AM
Dec 2013

Last edited Sun Dec 22, 2013, 05:47 AM - Edit history (3)

Vitamin D production by using a tanning bed. But the Harvard School of Public Health, the National Institutes of Health, the National Cancer Institute and others recommend Vitamin D supplements for people with low vitamin D levels, which is more common in higher latitudes and among people with darker skin.

The reason for this particular study including only black people was to study the effects of vitamin D supplementation ON BLACK PEOPLE, "idiot."


The point of the study was NOT to compare the effects across different groups, so it is not a flaw that it didn't do so -- it was a purposeful part of the study design. Including a handful of black people in a study with a broad cross-section of people would have yielded no meaningful results for the subgroup of black people they wanted to study.

There is nothing flawed about limiting a study to any particular group, as long as you don't assume the results apply to the larger population.

That being said, there have been numerous studies showing that Vitamin D supplementation is helpful for many people. You're just flat out wrong to say that Vitamin D supplements are never needed.


From the Harvard School of Public Health

If you live north of the line connecting San Francisco to Philadelphia and Athens to Beijing, odds are that you don’t get enough vitamin D. The same holds true if you don’t get outside for at least a 15-minute daily walk in the sun. African-Americans and others with dark skin, as well as older individuals, tend to have much lower levels of vitamin D, as do people who are overweight or obese.

Worldwide, an estimated 1 billion people have inadequate levels of vitamin D in their blood, and deficiencies can be found in all ethnicities and age groups. (1-3) Indeed, in industrialized countries, doctors are even seeing the resurgence of rickets, the bone-weakening disease that had been largely eradicated through vitamin D fortification. (4-6)
Why are these widespread vitamin D deficiencies of such great concern? Because research conducted over the past decade suggests that vitamin D plays a much broader disease-fighting role than once thought.

Food sources: Very few foods naturally contain vitamin D. Good sources include dairy products and breakfast cereals (both of which are fortified with vitamin D), and fatty fish such as salmon and tuna. For most people, the best way to get the recommended daily intake is by taking a supplement, but the level in most multivitamins (400 IU) is too low; encouragingly, some manufacturers have begun adding 800 or 1,000 IU of vitamin D to their standard multivitamin preparations.

Getting vitamin D from the sun: Correctly applied sunscreen reduces our ability to absorb vitamin D by as much as 90 percent. At higher latitudes (in the northern U.S., for example), exposure to the sun in winter will not form vitamin D (due to the angle of the sun's rays), so a supplement is advisable.

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/4/1126.full

Vitamin D insufficiency is more prevalent among African Americans (blacks) than other Americans and, in North America, most young, healthy blacks do not achieve optimal 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D] concentrations at any time of year. . . . Clinicians and educators should be encouraged to promote improved vitamin D status among blacks (and others) because of the low risk and low cost of vitamin D supplementation and its potentially broad health benefits.

From the National Institutes of Health:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/929.html

Nevertheless, vitamin D deficiency is more common than you might expect. People who don’t get enough sun, especially people living in Canada and the northern half of the US, are especially at risk. Vitamin D deficiency also occurs even in sunny climates, possibly because people are staying indoors more, covering up when outside, or using sunscreens consistently these days to reduce skin cancer risk.

Older people are also at risk for vitamin D deficiency. They are less likely to spend time in the sun, have fewer “receptors” in their skin that convert sunlight to vitamin D, may not get vitamin D in their diet, may have trouble absorbing vitamin D even if they do get it in their diet, and may have more trouble converting dietary vitamin D to a useful form due to aging kidneys. In fact, the risk for vitamin D deficiency in people over 65 years of age is very high. Surprisingly, as many as 40% of older people even in sunny climates such as South Florida don’t have enough vitamin D in their systems.

Vitamin D supplements may be necessary for older people, people living in northern latitudes, and for dark-skinned people who need extra time in the sun, but don’t get it.

The National Cancer Institute:

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/prevention/vitamin-D

IOM states that people should not try to increase vitamin D production by increasing their exposure to sunlight because this will also increase their risk of skin cancer

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Yes, people in developing countries with no access to a well rounded diet Rex Dec 2013 #1
People in developing countries can afford supplements? intaglio Dec 2013 #2
Yeah right, ignore the thousands of groups out there that help Rex Dec 2013 #3
That help by providing food not fantasies to people whose normal diet has been disrupted intaglio Dec 2013 #16
It's almost as if you didn't bother to read the OP. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #6
Straw man! longship Dec 2013 #8
The body can only absorb so much Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #4
Just curious who paid for this study? Nt newfie11 Dec 2013 #5
It's actually 3 studies... SidDithers Dec 2013 #7
Wait... Wut? MerryBlooms Dec 2013 #9
There are 3 different studies... SidDithers Dec 2013 #10
Ah, got it, my bad. MerryBlooms Dec 2013 #13
Evidence-based science isn't allowed in these forums! Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #11
says who? Liberal_in_LA Dec 2013 #12
...that was sarcasm. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #15
Great thread in V&MM right now promoting the hell out of Dr. Oz... SidDithers Dec 2013 #18
Ohhhhhh, really? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #22
I take Vitamin D as prescribed by my doctor cause it was low in my last blood test thing Arcanetrance Dec 2013 #14
Probably, certain infections or metabolic problems can decrease the production of vitamin D intaglio Dec 2013 #17
That is not true if you are dark skinned and/or live in northern, cloudy latitudes. n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #19
Ok make it 30 minutes in the sunlight intaglio Dec 2013 #33
A tanning booth for black people instead of a supplement? pnwmom Dec 2013 #40
Well, every human makes vitamin D in sunlight, whatever their skin colour intaglio Dec 2013 #42
It is ludicrous to suggest that black people should go to tanning booths pnwmom Dec 2013 #43
It is ridiculous to suggest that supplements are needed intaglio Dec 2013 #44
No medical authorities recommend that black people "top up" their pnwmom Dec 2013 #46
The National Cancer institute would like everybody to go round in Burqas intaglio Dec 2013 #51
I can't believe you're still pushing tanning booths for black people. pnwmom Dec 2013 #52
I am not saying you do it for a tan intaglio Dec 2013 #56
I can't easily get 4,000 units a day without eating a lot of calories pnwmom Dec 2013 #57
See my response to your other post intaglio Dec 2013 #63
That's true, for sure! KitSileya Dec 2013 #45
There are a number of causes of vitamin D deficiency REP Dec 2013 #20
Also dietary insufficiency. I had a job a few years ago DebJ Dec 2013 #21
And many people are supposed to be using sun screens, pnwmom Dec 2013 #48
true Sgent Dec 2013 #38
As I said originally you need to know why your doctor is prescribing intaglio Dec 2013 #39
Placebos don't make blood levels of vitamin D rise. n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #49
How do you know they have risen? Have you had blood assays done? intaglio Dec 2013 #50
My doctor checks them at least annually. That's why she put me on pnwmom Dec 2013 #53
Hopeless intaglio Dec 2013 #54
My doctors have me taking 4,000 units of Vitamin D. pnwmom Dec 2013 #55
Please read what I have written here - it might be very important to you intaglio Dec 2013 #61
I'm at 4,000, which is well under 50,000 and even 10,000. pnwmom Dec 2013 #64
You might find this of interest intaglio Dec 2013 #62
There is this thing...The Goldilock's Principle... HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #23
Show me evidence that they can be harmful. Motown_Johnny Dec 2013 #24
Here's a place to start... HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #25
Ahh yes, wikipedia. Because big phama would never update anything there. Motown_Johnny Dec 2013 #26
No, because it's a place to learn some key words HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #27
did you read my post? Motown_Johnny Dec 2013 #28
Yes, are you open minded enough to take some of the terms you learned HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #29
I can't verify that "60,000 annual vitamin poisoning claim" Motown_Johnny Dec 2013 #32
It seems you're trying to erect a strawman rather than address the issue of the published comment HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #34
No, I am taking issue with the last line in that quote. Motown_Johnny Dec 2013 #66
Big Pharma does NOT want you to stop taking supplements etherealtruth Dec 2013 #35
I think the article argued that it's mostly just a waste of money. Bradical79 Dec 2013 #60
That is not what the last line in the quote in the OP says. Motown_Johnny Dec 2013 #65
I'm agnostic on the OP topic at the moment, personally, but if food tips are what you're looking for proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #30
RECOMMENDED. proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #31
What is your view of taking vitamins for age-related macular degeneration? FarCenter Dec 2013 #36
As long as they're inexpensive, its no bother at all to take a multi-vitamin bhikkhu Dec 2013 #37
Routine, maybe. What about non-routine, as in biomedical autism therapy under medical supervision? proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #41
*facepalm* LeftyMom Dec 2013 #47
non-routine use is addressed in the article. Bradical79 Dec 2013 #58
So, why dont they offer benefits? Bradical79 Dec 2013 #59
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