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MineralMan

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14. Yes, I do know that. Once burned, a forest will not burn again, if
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 05:18 PM
Dec 2013

planted to crops. The impact is small, compared to the constant burning of fossil fuels, which represent burning of organic materials built up over very, very long periods.

Once, say, a coffee plantation is created, far more fuel will be burned in roasting, growing, and transporting the crops than from burning of the original forest replaced by the plantation.

GMO crops were also mentioned. What was not mentioned was that most of the land used to grow those was already in use for crop production for long previous periods. Again, it is the production, processing, and shipping of the resultant crops that have the most impact on the environment on a continuing basis. The original ecosystem was destroyed long, long ago.

The whole bluefin tuna thing really has no impact on the planet itself. It is an extinction event of a top-of-the-chain predator. If the bluefin tuna disappears, other predators not of interest to the fishing industry will breed more successfully to exploit the same resources exploited by the bluefin. The net impact on the entire planet will be minimal.

The impact of the things listed in the article, all having to do with food consumed by humans and meat animals, is not what puts the planet's overall ecology at risk, really. It is population of humans that does that. If you want a relationship between food production and planet destruction, it is in the eaters, not the eaten. More eaters means more impact, in one way or another.

But fossil fuel burning is still the main impact humans have on the planet. That is the thing that really threatens, and that is population-based as well. The article is overstated and illogical, as I said earlier.

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I'm ok hollysmom Dec 2013 #1
Why am I thinking this is just a tad bit overstated? MineralMan Dec 2013 #2
Many of these foods are grown by cutting down vast amounts of trees ... Flaxbee Dec 2013 #3
Overstatement is self-defeating, since anyone MineralMan Dec 2013 #7
You do realise Lordquinton Dec 2013 #13
Yes, I do know that. Once burned, a forest will not burn again, if MineralMan Dec 2013 #14
We are putting the health of the oceans at risk... Blanks Dec 2013 #17
Killing the planet and bad for humans are two MineralMan Dec 2013 #26
lame U4ikLefty Dec 2013 #27
Thank you for your well reasoned discussion. MineralMan Dec 2013 #28
I'm not sure what your point is... Blanks Dec 2013 #29
'It's an animal instinct to protect your progeny' MineralMan Dec 2013 #33
Over 30% of GHG emissions are from land use sector NoOneMan Dec 2013 #31
Again, population. MineralMan Dec 2013 #32
No, its not all population based. That's an overly simplistic answer NoOneMan Dec 2013 #35
Your map is about economics, not population. MineralMan Dec 2013 #36
Yep, which is exactly why its not ONLY about population NoOneMan Dec 2013 #37
Shade grown coffee not a panacea, however. yellowcanine Dec 2013 #40
I would agree with some of that, but the bias against grazing livestock is wrong bhikkhu Dec 2013 #4
It's a case of extremes, though -- too much grazing is definitely bad Flaxbee Dec 2013 #5
They do specifically mention factorey farming, but then they go on bhikkhu Dec 2013 #10
Oh My Gawdess! I didn't think there was one other DU'er here truedelphi Dec 2013 #30
Farming - dairy, cattle, etc. - can be a vital part of an ecosystem if it is done well Flaxbee Dec 2013 #42
Why they have to stupidly imply that non "genetically modified" corn is any better for the planet. enki23 Dec 2013 #6
It's So Hard to Find Any Baked Goods w/o Palm Oil otohara Dec 2013 #8
I know what you mean. Codeine Dec 2013 #11
Even NOT being vegan means adding twenty minutes of Label Reading Time to every grocery trip. RC Dec 2013 #12
Just as tomatoes have been bred based on their shelf life... Blanks Dec 2013 #18
yes, definitely. Grow a few vegetables in the summer - easy ones, like tomatoes, squash, and learn Flaxbee Dec 2013 #22
Health & Environmental concerns aside, bvar22 Dec 2013 #23
Gardens like that one always inspire this question from me: MineralMan Dec 2013 #34
We had a garden that was quite a bit larger than the one pictured. Atman Dec 2013 #39
Palm Oil G_j Dec 2013 #9
How does shade growing coffee make it eco friendly? JVS Dec 2013 #15
It is the canopy that grows over the coffee plants that makes it more ecologically friendly. Blanks Dec 2013 #20
One Thing that Is Killing the Planet MineralMan Dec 2013 #16
Agree with you 100% Flaxbee Dec 2013 #19
Sounds like a challenge! Rex Dec 2013 #21
it won't kill the planet, it will kill us. give the planet a million years to recover after we're dionysus Dec 2013 #38
I'm eating more hemp RandiFan1290 Dec 2013 #24
thanks for the info Liberal_in_LA Dec 2013 #25
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