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truedelphi

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30. Oh My Gawdess! I didn't think there was one other DU'er here

Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:26 PM

Dec 2013

Who understands that cattle are often out on lands that are not good for farming.

Secondly, so many vegetarians that I know are all "hamburgers bad; why not be a vegan and wine drinker like me."

But a dairy farm that is run correctly, as the small farmers do in my area, the farm totally supports the environment: there are massive trees, some of them old growth. there are ponds, and brush and wild flowers. On those acres, you see every type of animal that the area support.

But go up the road to the vineyards, and there are the damn grapes on their skinny metallic supports. Within five miles of my house, there are five thousand square acre plots, and all you ever see are the metal structures and the vines. Never even a single bird to be seen! No birds, no fox, no cougar or deer ever trespass in that area. We are losing our wildlife to 'ecological" vineyards and every day, as I watch the County transfer land from dairy and wilderness to more grapes of wine, I am sick at heart.

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