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hughee99

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17. You did read the OP, right?
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 12:07 AM
Dec 2013

"In order to generate $60,000 per year in income then, you need $1,500,000 in a 401K. That's in today's dollars. How many of your friends and neighbors do you suppose have $1.5M in a retirement fund? Next, those who are 25 years old today, will need to generate approximately $200,000 per year in retirement income when they retire in 2053, to match what $60,000 buys today (assuming a 3% inflation factor for 40 years.) How much will they need in their 401K to generate that income? Using the 4% withdrawal factor, they'll need $5M. How much do they need to be saving each month to reach that $5M goal in 40 years? $3,300 per month, and that's assuming a 5% rate of return every year for the next 40 years. "

According to the "401k math" laid out in the OP, if you are 25, you'd have 40 years to retirement and need $5 million at retirement to guarantee $200k per year (for 25 years, or until the retiree reaches 90 years old). The math on this only works out if you assume NO earnings accumulation. Any earnings accumulation and you're taking out money well into your 90's and beyond. The OP did the math and no such factor is taken into account. Perhaps you should have said "Luckily the OP isn't providing financial services". This is leaving aside SS as well, as it was already mentioned.

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401K Math [View all] WestSeattle2 Dec 2013 OP
I have been saying something similar for years. PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #1
I've never done the math as you've done Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #2
Raiding isn't the problem, pushing all the risk onto individuals is. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #7
You can't save 3k a month into a 401k Paulie Dec 2013 #3
Correct; you have to split your retirement savings. The max contribution for a 401K is far less WestSeattle2 Dec 2013 #11
$52,000 FreeJoe Dec 2013 #20
It was always a scam. It was invented as a vehicle for high salaried executives Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #4
I like Social Security gulliver Dec 2013 #5
gotta stop you right from the start hfojvt Dec 2013 #6
This is just hypothetical - adjust the math for your personal situation. If you broke down state WestSeattle2 Dec 2013 #9
the Seattle metro area has over half the state's population hfojvt Dec 2013 #15
In 2011 median household income in Seattle was $45K. The overwhelming majority of retired El_Johns Dec 2013 #18
Your math doesn't include Social Security. Are you assuming it won't be around? Dawgs Dec 2013 #8
Yes, this AND what about interest on your 401K AFTER you start taking out 4% hughee99 Dec 2013 #10
And conversely, you could go years with no return on investment - none. You could lose WestSeattle2 Dec 2013 #12
So you're willing to concede a 5% return for the 40 years someone pays in, hughee99 Dec 2013 #14
Luckily you aren't providing financial consulting services. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #16
You did read the OP, right? hughee99 Dec 2013 #17
Hypothetically, its far easier than that in my case bhikkhu Dec 2013 #13
pensions are not magic FreeJoe Dec 2013 #19
I would rather put my trust in hundreds of companies than just one... cbdo2007 Dec 2013 #21
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