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187. That's actually a physical artifact of male gaze, not an antidote.

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 03:50 AM

Dec 2013

The ancient Romans built border walls. Hadrian's wall is probably the most famous, but there were others. The walls didn't exist to stop ingress and egress from the empire, they existed to funnel and control that access for military and tax purposes. They had regularly spaced gaps for trade and travel.

Which is a funny way of saying that extremely concealing clothing, chaperones, restrictive social rules etc are walls but they're walls with gates. That outfit doesn't exist to protect that woman from the male gaze, it exists to limit the number of men who are allowed to claim her as an object and to increase the power and control of those who can.

And as a practical matter, men in societies where women have everything else is covered still creepily sexualize women's eyes, and their voices, and how they smell. People who want to reduce women to "7 out of 10, would bang" find a way.

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INDIAN AD TURNS THE MALE GAZE BACK ON ITSELF AND IT'S AWESOME [View all] redqueen Dec 2013 OP

I loved that. LumosMaxima Dec 2013 #1

Love the music in that! Matariki Dec 2013 #2

K&R BainsBane Dec 2013 #3

Kicked and rec'd. Iggo Dec 2013 #4

That's brilliant. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #5

Wow! Really, really, well done...and powerful. PDJane Dec 2013 #6

The 'mirror' idea is xulamaude Dec 2013 #7

k and r--thank you for sharing this very powerful piece. niyad Dec 2013 #8

In the other thread on this video BainsBane Dec 2013 #9

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lol Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #331

quit slut shaming women. against du rules. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #348

I wasn't shaming anyone. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #360

that is EXACTLY what you are doing. the women that dress like THIS is ASKING for it. seabeyond Dec 2013 #363

Did you miss that one of the women in the ad was wearing full face and body covering? Number23 Dec 2013 #457

Yeah, leave the slut shaming to the pros... Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #376

Rape and murder are just hysterical BainsBane Dec 2013 #395

Ah, we've gone from male gazing to rape and murder! Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #404

Yeah, because that is the point of this ad BainsBane Dec 2013 #408

Might be the point of the ad, but clearly wasn't the point of my comment. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #410

Well, I encourage you to think about context BainsBane Dec 2013 #416

I encourage you to not make unfounded comments on what I have not said. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #420

like "leave the slut shaming to the professionals" BainsBane Dec 2013 #422

Seems to be a very popular phrase, used almost exclusively by certain HoFers. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #434

You just used it BainsBane Dec 2013 #436

OK, you got me. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #446

Actually context matters BainsBane Dec 2013 #454

So the term "slut shaming" is OK, as long as it is used to club a perceived misognyst? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #459

It is not a term I typically use BainsBane Dec 2013 #460

Oh, you mean we should dress like this? BainsBane Dec 2013 #386

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And how much effort did she put into looking that good? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #328

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what the heck? seriously, wtf are you talking about?! seabeyond Dec 2013 #37

Your post is incoherent. Is everything okay? Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #44

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Would it bother you if I said no? Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #387

this series of your posts is utterly offensive. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #391

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Holy shit. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #293

Becaues men harassing women is not considered a violation of DU community standards. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #297

I read in another thread that DU could use some women administrators. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #302

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I was called 'dear' persistently in a thread....even after I asked to not be called that. I was msanthrope Dec 2013 #490

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Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #439

There you go again BainsBane Dec 2013 #442

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I doubt there are many who honestly can't understand your posts. redqueen Dec 2013 #158

thank you redq. lots of people talk to me. about what i actually post. i have to ASSume, they are seabeyond Dec 2013 #161

I generally tend to lend more credence to posts which don't need to be translated into English first EOTE Dec 2013 #273

personal insult for no better reason than, just cause. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #274

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I found it clear. treestar Dec 2013 #256

thank you tree seabeyond Dec 2013 #259

I have no problem understanding what you mean ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #312

and you 1strongblackman, thank you. i appreciate it. and... seabeyond Dec 2013 #317

Yes and yes. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #262

This thread is a re-post pintobean Dec 2013 #192

That is unkind and unnecessary ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #245

ya, well. i have gone from man hater to mentally unstable. another poster below. and the men are seabeyond Dec 2013 #250

Apologize for my genuine concern? No, sorry, I prefer to maintain what little soul I have left. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #261

No your disingenuous attempt to portray concern for the posters well being ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #283

I was actually concerned... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #308

Your transparency is apparent. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #313

You are still being disingenuous ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #325

I imagine you may even think many people believe that allegation... LanternWaste Dec 2013 #294

Seriously... NCTraveler Dec 2013 #338

and condescending. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #365

Made sense to me. Are you sure you're ok? nt DLevine Dec 2013 #195

I can't believe I had to do jury duty on your post - and even worse, that 3 jurors scarletwoman Dec 2013 #42

wow. hm. i am really kinda stumped on this. ok. i have been gettin lottsa alerts. seabeyond Dec 2013 #45

I don't always agree with you, but I damn well recoginze a vendetta when I see it. scarletwoman Dec 2013 #48

thank you scarlet. i know we are not the best of pals. that would be integrity, i recognize seabeyond Dec 2013 #52

Or, chase her away from DU... chervilant Dec 2013 #194

as well as silence others BainsBane Dec 2013 #197

This saddens me, chervilant Dec 2013 #207

You really should expand your jury blacklist. Matariki Dec 2013 #473

thank you. and the women made me late last night. wooosh, was it work seabeyond Dec 2013 #475

and... seabeyond Dec 2013 #477

Did you alert on those juror comments? BainsBane Dec 2013 #196

misogynist thug tactics via the jury system. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #263

If I saw my gaze reflected back at me CFLDem Dec 2013 #12

at her expense? really? your right proceeds a womans right to wakl in public without being made seabeyond Dec 2013 #13

"something beautiful" LeftyMom Dec 2013 #14

a THING. yup. and we all see when we are being seen as a THING. and no. not a compliment, do not seabeyond Dec 2013 #15

I especially like the "some*thing* beautiful" KitSileya Dec 2013 #189

Yep. Some THING. Sums it up, doesn't it? Matariki Dec 2013 #474

what's your metric to determine a stare from *winky wink* enjoying someTHING BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #16

It's situational and dependent upon social intuition. CFLDem Dec 2013 #20

"It just is what it is." chervilant Dec 2013 #212

Thread suck. :) xulamaude Dec 2013 #17

she is a thing, huh? bettyellen Dec 2013 #19

All people can be things in certain regards. CFLDem Dec 2013 #21

Yeah, I don't know anyone who considers themselves a thing, so don't try that crap bettyellen Dec 2013 #22

Hmm... We must be on two different wavelengths. CFLDem Dec 2013 #24

that is a fail. because you do not consider others. or how your behavior interferes seabeyond Dec 2013 #25

Please enlighten me CFLDem Dec 2013 #28

"checking them out." checking them out for what? if they are fuckable? what are you checking out? seabeyond Dec 2013 #30

What do you think? CFLDem Dec 2013 #35

Let's try this angle: do you think women appreciate you staring at them? LeftyMom Dec 2013 #39

LeftyMom, this has to be one of my all time favorite responses EVER! MuseRider Dec 2013 #419

Alright, yeah, that was REALLY creepy. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #51

all i can think with the way he talks is has watched so much porn, pornifies women on the seabeyond Dec 2013 #54

That's a nice journey through the strawman patch CFLDem Dec 2013 #72

Well Dorian Gray Dec 2013 #487

I agree. CFLDem Dec 2013 #75

Should people listen when other people tell them they don't like being ogled? countryjake Dec 2013 #138

I imagine many, many creepy guys ask themselves that very question in order to better rationalize th LanternWaste Dec 2013 #198

Checking them out? MineralMan Dec 2013 #208

"I'm not that arrogant." yes. this. we all look at people all the time. we notice all kinds of seabeyond Dec 2013 #209

Really? CFLDem Dec 2013 #218

i would say the difference is the person that has experienced this unwanted attention for a couple seabeyond Dec 2013 #228

What do you mean by admiring someone? CFLDem Dec 2013 #215

Recognition of someone's appearance is almost instantaneous. MineralMan Dec 2013 #225

Thank for the explanation. CFLDem Dec 2013 #229

and this would be another issue we women have. we say it over and over and over. are ridiculed, seabeyond Dec 2013 #233

His explanation was polite, understanding, and articulated. CFLDem Dec 2013 #241

and every other women that you replied to. us mean, nasty women. just shut the fuck up and stand seabeyond Dec 2013 #248

Again with the assumptions and hyperbole CFLDem Dec 2013 #279

chip on the shoulder? and i suppose i should own it, cause you give it to me? nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #282

You not only own it, you bought the T-shirt, too. CFLDem Dec 2013 #343

ah, more insults. personal attacks. cause you behavior fails. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #346

You should trust the truth CFLDem Dec 2013 #350

warrior princess... you are coming off immature now. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #351

another thank you. and how about a woman that walked into the shop, with that group of men with seabeyond Dec 2013 #231

When someone came into the shop, those guys were almost always gone. MineralMan Dec 2013 #244

i wasnt referring to your father. he sounds stand up. my father. where i learned to expect respect seabeyond Dec 2013 #252

My father cleared out the morning coffee crowd by opening time every day. MineralMan Dec 2013 #258

good for him. good for you. i totally get it. i grew up with it. makes life clear. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #260

Thread suck.2 nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #26

The only thing that surprises me BainsBane Dec 2013 #86

As 'they' like to (not) say: xulamaude Dec 2013 #89

You are sexist... chervilant Dec 2013 #220

So because I'm not an androgynous robot CFLDem Dec 2013 #222

That you don't recognize your sexism chervilant Dec 2013 #230

Oh I know. I'm dead serious. CFLDem Dec 2013 #232

You have my sincere condolences. n/t chervilant Dec 2013 #281

The feeling is mutual. nt CFLDem Dec 2013 #345

Maybe the problem is we don't understand what you are saying. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #342

classic. the poster attacks dimisses all comments from women. ONE man posts, and he thanks for the seabeyond Dec 2013 #234

I was just going to comment on that!! Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #238

classic. that is all that can be said. in the face obvious. perfect example of seabeyond Dec 2013 #240

It's so funny, and all they do is deny deny deny. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #242

Me too. So damn obvious. Glad he was called out on it. Matariki Dec 2013 #480

It's not just staring that's creepy. laundry_queen Dec 2013 #23

Women are beautiful things to be enjoyed. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #27

No, people are beautiful things to be enjoyed. CFLDem Dec 2013 #29

i have been around a lot of good looking men, and i am around a lot of good look young men now, seabeyond Dec 2013 #31

That's kind of creepy. nt Bonobo Dec 2013 #65

uh... grabbin' heart, you got me. geez, with you all shootin your arrow with your snickering seabeyond Dec 2013 #67

Reasonably certain that if I posted about my teenage daughter in that way Bonobo Dec 2013 #79

you would be labeled a creep for NOT seeing them as " beautiful things to be enjoyed." seabeyond Dec 2013 #84

You know what I find creepy? UtahLib Dec 2013 #100

it really is getting to be very obvious that sea is being alert stalked. and Yeah, it is creepy. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #108

It seems obvious to me that some people are judged much more harshly than others. UtahLib Dec 2013 #165

you are a member of the community, yes. kind of like a civic duty is how I look at it ... Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #172

oh do. i am really fair when on jury. it is... like, integrity. that is way more important than seabeyond Dec 2013 #182

With out a doubt she is being alert stalked.... Little Star Dec 2013 #301

agree. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #305

so i say out loud... i think i am nice, too. sons look at me, lol. seabeyond Dec 2013 #319

+1 nt NCTraveler Dec 2013 #347

it's only creepy because you are looking at it a certain creepy way which it is not JI7 Dec 2013 #116

"Good looking" ? FBaggins Dec 2013 #203

hmmm? seabeyond Dec 2013 #205

Just seems an odd double standard. FBaggins Dec 2013 #236

fuckin for real? my boys are good looking. so, what does that mean? do tell. seabeyond Dec 2013 #239

Already answered. FBaggins Dec 2013 #251

lol seabeyond Dec 2013 #254

He's pointing out your obvious double standard in your post. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #265

yes. i get where you men are TRYING to go. your FAIL is in that i am NOT sexualizing the dudes seabeyond Dec 2013 #269

These individuals see sex in everything. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #352

you know nc. as i am sitting here wondering about being called a creep for saying good looking, seabeyond Dec 2013 #355

I am really sick of some of the things aimed at you here. NCTraveler Dec 2013 #375

+1! CrispyQ Dec 2013 #421

thank you. i gotta get outta of my house. seabeyond Dec 2013 #433

No more snow. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #467

oh he is. he is home. has been for a week. the world is right again... lol. AND seabeyond Dec 2013 #469

tahnk you nc. that really is the intent if a person really wants clarification. but then, i am seabeyond Dec 2013 #432

are you really arguing if a man says my daughter is good looking someone would call him a creep? seabeyond Dec 2013 #271

The whole point of your incessant fixiation on eyeball rape/pornification/patriachy/misogeny Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #369

then you do not listen well old. whole point of all these conversations is stress the sexualizing seabeyond Dec 2013 #374

word salad, served with a side of hypocrisy. nt Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #377

ya. the quaint mens group diss of me. pathetic. lame. old. seabeyond Dec 2013 #378

In other words, "I'm a victim!" Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #382

do i look sound or feel like a victim? hell no. i will point out your stupid ass games every seabeyond Dec 2013 #393

Forgetting what you post is clearly a feature. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #413

keep refusing to understand what the issues are so you can continually present a strawman. seabeyond Dec 2013 #414

To be honest you do CFLDem Dec 2013 #415

link or it didnt happen. throwing out unfounded accusations seabeyond Dec 2013 #431

Oh noes CFLDem Dec 2013 #437

you made a specific statement. most of my posts are strawman. link... that is not wild assumptions seabeyond Dec 2013 #451

This is called commodification. To reduce the human body to something that is consumed. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #33

i am wondering if he thinks we ought to just stand there. before him. let him run eyes up and down seabeyond Dec 2013 #36

The disparity between seeing someone as physically attractive and the male gaze is vast. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #40

Women do the same thing, too. CFLDem Dec 2013 #47

Well, two points need to be made here... Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #50

Gravitycollapse, IMO yours is the most important point in the thread. Threedifferentones Dec 2013 #296

good post. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #321

Outstanding post, particularly this: CrispyQ Dec 2013 #448

+1 for you and Gravitycollapse Matariki Dec 2013 #481

Assumptions assumptions CFLDem Dec 2013 #43

Nice bait and switch. CFLDem Dec 2013 #38

Here, right now, we are talking about the commodification of the female body. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #41

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #340

you are going thru out these threads slut shaming women. knock it the fuck off. that is about one seabeyond Dec 2013 #344

I'm not shaming anyone. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #361

yes. you are. they dress like this so they ask for it, deserve it. seabeyond Dec 2013 #366

So you deny that women deliberately present themselves as eye candy Ace Acme Dec 2013 #371

defining them as eye candy is your issue. quit slut shaming. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #380

Why do you think they do it? BainsBane Dec 2013 #392

Why do you think they do it? elias7 Dec 2013 #488

"This is called commodification. To reduce the human body to something that is consumed. redqueen Dec 2013 #154

Just watch one hr of tv to see it. Xmas commercials are the worst. nt. countryjake Dec 2013 #168

Fiat ads are some of the worst IMO. redqueen Dec 2013 #178

Those little cars are so damned cute, CrispyQ Dec 2013 #462

But who are those commercials aimed at? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #381

So if I stood there Texasgal Dec 2013 #418

It depends CFLDem Dec 2013 #423

?? Texasgal Dec 2013 #426

Well you were using yourself in the scenario. CFLDem Dec 2013 #428

Ofcourse you wouldn't. Texasgal Dec 2013 #456

I don't think you understand the premise of the male gaze. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #32

He's not the only one Major Nikon Dec 2013 #62

The male gaze is one of those terms that has outgrown its original meaning. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #77

I know a whole bunch of Third Wave Feminists who'd be surprised to hear they've been led astray Orrex Dec 2013 #409

It's perfectly acceptable for them to take issue. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #468

3rd diverted. fourth is coming on strong. the are more badass than any 2nd. they are seabeyond Dec 2013 #479

Yes, I suppose you are right. The 4th wave is coming. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #482

Oh no, you just defended the MALE GAZE LittleBlue Dec 2013 #57

Good heavens - the Cleavah is strong. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #59

Welcome to DU LittleBlue Dec 2013 #63

Just downright... crazy... xulamaude Dec 2013 #73

I suspect "welcome back" is more apropos for that one. opiate69 Dec 2013 #74

"welcome back" ? xulamaude Dec 2013 #80

Oh, they probably think you are the dreaded Iverglas BainsBane Dec 2013 #91

Sock puppet is pretty tough to deny in this case. Bonobo Dec 2013 #94

inveigle, er, rather iverglas is FAR from being our only serial troll around here, dear. opiate69 Dec 2013 #95

No, really? BainsBane Dec 2013 #102

Ah yes, the dreaded xulamaude Dec 2013 #99

I know iverglas. You are no iverglas. I will take that bet. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #115

I'll agree with that! xulamaude Dec 2013 #118

We are cool. Me and You. Did not mean it to sound otherwise. Just that like with Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #120

Chill Tuesday. All is well. :) xulamaude Dec 2013 #122

cool beans. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #135

I have to admit it crossed my mind.. Upton Dec 2013 #101

snork! opiate69 Dec 2013 #107

That'd be: 'poor woman's version' xulamaude Dec 2013 #109

that is fuckin' funny. lol. seabeyond Dec 2013 #117

It seems now even my gender is in question. BainsBane Dec 2013 #124

Poor man, poor woman, xulamaude Dec 2013 #128

Okay, if I'm a poor man BainsBane Dec 2013 #129

C'mon, you just hate somebody else having to xulamaude Dec 2013 #131

Wouldn't I be then be the one hating to pay BainsBane Dec 2013 #134

Oh noe! You strained my lady brainz! xulamaude Dec 2013 #137

i dont shop. seabeyond Dec 2013 #141

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It's a joke, dude BainsBane Dec 2013 #146

bah hahahaha. LUV the gif. love it. so much, i am running into other room to show son. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #153

Get him to set up your jury blacklist BainsBane Dec 2013 #160

OMG. LOL. Poor MAN has nothing to do with gender... xulamaude Dec 2013 #150

ya. i thought that funny, talking this out with a bunch of feminists, lol. seabeyond Dec 2013 #157

No need to speculate BainsBane Dec 2013 #88

Oops. opiate69 Jan 2014 #491

So what was the offensive post? BainsBane Jan 2014 #492

No idea. I imagine it need not have even been a post. opiate69 Jan 2014 #493

"bad rubbish" BainsBane Jan 2014 #494

No... "bad rubbish" meaning "repeat troll". opiate69 Jan 2014 #495

It wasn't wilfull BainsBane Jan 2014 #496

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xulamaude is not iverglas BainsBane Jan 2014 #498

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I thought that stuff about the other website was a reference to Iverglas BainsBane Jan 2014 #500

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Oh, that again??? opiate69 Jan 2014 #504

Oh, well. It's an "affiliated" DU page BainsBane Jan 2014 #506

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I had no idea you were on there BainsBane Jan 2014 #509

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You may want to work on that BainsBane Jan 2014 #513

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You were alerted on... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #106

lmao.. well.. someone won't be alerting for a day.. thanks! opiate69 Dec 2013 #110

Yeah, that's why I shared. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #111

now I'm glad I re-upped my star today and added a few to my blacklist. opiate69 Dec 2013 #114

Wow, thanks for pointing that out BainsBane Dec 2013 #126

damn. i forgot to do mine. gotta get on it first thing in the morning. so many.... lol nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #143

Add that one for sure BainsBane Dec 2013 #147

pssst seabeyond Dec 2013 #159

Always a relief to have one's petulance validated by others. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #303

Although that wasn't my alert BainsBane Dec 2013 #132

Uncalled for. Some people are prolific posters. MineralMan Dec 2013 #275

The message is indeed powerful! sheshe2 Dec 2013 #18

Some woman who agrees with this post explain to me.... Logical Dec 2013 #61

Two rules of thumb: LeftyMom Dec 2013 #66

Your definition of staring is what? nt Logical Dec 2013 #68

Oh come off it, you're not a freshly landed alien. You know what staring is. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #69

I am serious..... Logical Dec 2013 #71

Would you do it if it were known to her? LeftyMom Dec 2013 #76

I see your worry.... Logical Dec 2013 #82

"Maybe I should." - You should and you shouldn't. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #90

Well, they do not know her at that point, so all they see is is a person... Logical Dec 2013 #96

They don't see a person. They see an object. A receptacle. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #105

" beautiful things to be enjoyed." this is the difference. from the youngest of age boys are taught seabeyond Dec 2013 #112

I agree I don't own you.... Logical Dec 2013 #121

Not directed at me, but xulamaude Dec 2013 #127

I imagine that is not enjoyable.... Logical Dec 2013 #130

Good. Thinking is good. nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #133

for those moments, with that look on the face, that is exactly what you are doing. her body is yours seabeyond Dec 2013 #136

I would bet you are wrong on as many as you are right on.... Logical Dec 2013 #200

thank you for taking it to personal. cause it is not like men do not regularly take it to personal seabeyond Dec 2013 #202

Funny, I can tell ANY disagreement with you means I took it personnel..... Logical Dec 2013 #206

"Maybe bad experiences have jaded you" that is NOT taking it to the personal? seabeyond Dec 2013 #210

No, just an observation. how does that make me sound angry? nt Logical Dec 2013 #211

you totally created "make me sound angry". where did that come from. yes. you took it to seabeyond Dec 2013 #213

Ok, and if I said I could read all women's looks your reaction would be??? nt Logical Dec 2013 #214

again. i repeat. women see this from about 11 or 12 yrs old. do you get that? do you understand seabeyond Dec 2013 #237

Ok, your position is clear! It will help with future posts you make! nt Logical Dec 2013 #246

Right. Women are not taught to value men's looks. They're taught to value their money. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #384

on. now the golddigger thing? women are becoming more and more financially independent seabeyond Dec 2013 #397

Much as one might imagine that an absolute lack of experience allows LanternWaste Dec 2013 #314

Its not complex. Notafraidtoo Dec 2013 #188

Excellent post. Thank you. nt redqueen Dec 2013 #329

If they don't want to be eye candy, why do they present themselves as if they do? Ace Acme Dec 2013 #354

more bold and empowered in your slut shaming. your posts need to be addressed. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #358

Are you denying that women present themselves as eye candy in public? nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #364

that is how YOU define them. that is YOU saying they deserve what they get. they ask for it. seabeyond Dec 2013 #367

I'm asking if they're not asking for it. There's a difference. Ace Acme Dec 2013 #385

i gave you the info below, right off the bat. and you continued post after post of slut shaming, seabeyond Dec 2013 #399

You are not allowed to make this observation! Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #398

no. he has made a statement that she is asking for it. that would be slut shaming. you do not need seabeyond Dec 2013 #403

Did he call this sexy women a slut? Or did you? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #407

did you ignore what i posted, you know, the post you replied to? ya. you did seabeyond Dec 2013 #411

Simple question....who used the term "slut shaming"? Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #417

He did BainsBane Dec 2013 #430

read it. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #444

The larger point is that you don't like how "my group" speaks? BainsBane Dec 2013 #449

Sorry, this is an anonymous posting board. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #461

No, I may not have control over a lot of what goes on BainsBane Dec 2013 #464

Of course not. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #472

What could possibly be wrong with me BainsBane Dec 2013 #485

Maybe it's comfortable. Maybe they're following a fashion trend. gollygee Dec 2013 #465

You sound like seabeyond. Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #471

Shall I say what you sound like? gollygee Dec 2013 #476

@ "better yet"... Go L Mom! :) xulamaude Dec 2013 #83

Ask yourself this one simple question Warpy Dec 2013 #81

Why not a man or a woman? Because men might be violent? Nt Logical Dec 2013 #85

My guess? 'I'd be flattered of course!!' xulamaude Dec 2013 #87

I would just ignore it. That works for me. nt Ace Acme Dec 2013 #388

It's confusing, really? BainsBane Dec 2013 #169

I'm guessing that 'The Male Gaze (c) (tm)' is... Shandris Dec 2013 #64

It's more polite than saying "creepy perv," I suppose BainsBane Dec 2013 #93

I guess that could be, and probably easier to talk about in a scientific... Shandris Dec 2013 #119

If you're familiar with the concept of the Male Gaze, I don't know why you seem to be confused. redqueen Dec 2013 #167

I'd hope you have a good idea why! Shandris Dec 2013 #191

LOL, no. You threw out strawmen and pretended the issue is the same for men and women. redqueen Dec 2013 #326

This message was self-deleted by its author Shandris Dec 2013 #483

On second thought, I'll drop my original response to you. Shandris Dec 2013 #484

I agree 100% with this video. Catherine Vincent Dec 2013 #70

Just about everyone can almost always control where they look. redqueen Dec 2013 #171

Good point per showing some respect. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 #438

Female idealization of men Bonobo Dec 2013 #78

I would agree that in the romance novels and soap operas treestar Dec 2013 #268

The funny thing is that this is a misunderstanding of the concept of "Male Gaze". Bonobo Dec 2013 #92

heh.. good catch.. opiate69 Dec 2013 #123

"the pile-on treatment" xulamaude Dec 2013 #145

... opiate69 Dec 2013 #151

Always remember that xulamaude Dec 2013 #162

opiate will post the same picture for the next 6 months or until a post is hid. pit bull'ish. seabeyond Dec 2013 #163

... opiate69 Dec 2013 #170

interestingly enough... opiate69 Dec 2013 #164

That's what I thought-- I'd always heard it used in reference to writing. /nt Marr Dec 2013 #253

From the same article ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #288

Worldwide cosmetics sales reached $170 Billion lapfog_1 Dec 2013 #113

Your point? BainsBane Dec 2013 #140

So...it's wrong to check out women now? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #125

Surely by your age you've figured out the difference BainsBane Dec 2013 #139

I have. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #144

Ogling isn't about attraction to someone BainsBane Dec 2013 #148

If a woman or man ogled me, I'd like it. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #181

If you had gone through your whole life BainsBane Dec 2013 #185

I suppose I would. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #186

Let's not be obtuse here. We are not debating the premise that sexual attraction exists. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #156

K&R demmiblue Dec 2013 #155

I've got a sure cure for "Male Gaze".. Upton Dec 2013 #166

So if we don't cover up, we're asking for it? nt redqueen Dec 2013 #173

Asking for what? Upton Dec 2013 #175

A pretty "female". Perfect. redqueen Dec 2013 #180

And many women dress for themselves, shockingly. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #183

thank you. i keep being told i am dressing for everyone in the world and never is it myself. seabeyond Dec 2013 #184

'checking out a pretty female?' MineralMan Dec 2013 #219

Say MM CFLDem Dec 2013 #224

Read my reply to your other post. Yes. There is a real difference. MineralMan Dec 2013 #226

You might benefit by acknowledging that chervilant Dec 2013 #227

Yes, that is the point BainsBane Dec 2013 #174

Your post is oddly apropos in its threatening demeanor. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #176

I fail to see any threatening demeanor in my post.. Upton Dec 2013 #177

I realize you fail to see the threatening demeanor of your post. That's the point. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #179

He understands BainsBane Dec 2013 #190

Its a losing battle you can not win, Soundman Dec 2013 #199

men are all that, women are not. you are gonna teach your granddaughter not to give it away, but seabeyond Dec 2013 #201

No, not really. Soundman Dec 2013 #217

"are you okay?" ah. questioning my mental stability. what a man.... seabeyond Dec 2013 #243

No, you know, I think you're wrong. MineralMan Dec 2013 #221

You raise a question Soundman Dec 2013 #235

exept you do what is typical male and ignore the womans sexuality. she was equally attracted. seabeyond Dec 2013 #257

No conflict at all. The attraction was mutual between that woman and MineralMan Dec 2013 #264

A can't disagree Soundman Dec 2013 #280

Girly men? Really? This post belongs on a cave wall, not a progressive discussion board. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #266

Your words not mine. Soundman Dec 2013 #272

Um, "low t and heavy doses of estrogen" is pretty clear on its face nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #277

that ole emotional estrogen.... nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #285

I am willing Soundman Dec 2013 #292

You were talking about the desire for multiple partners, etc. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #298

There you go again Soundman Dec 2013 #311

You don't have to be that way treestar Dec 2013 #276

Nah, Soundman Dec 2013 #287

Then it doesn't have to be generalized to other men then does it? treestar Dec 2013 #291

I have to admit that Soundman Dec 2013 #299

the fact he totally dismisses, ignores the womens sexuality, you know, the one he is doing it with, seabeyond Dec 2013 #289

You're anatomical biochemistry needs a little work ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #307

You have a valid point, Soundman Dec 2013 #316

With all the legislation either passed or proposed this year to limit women's reproductive rights, MerryBlooms Dec 2013 #445

That's actually a physical artifact of male gaze, not an antidote. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #187

"People who want to reduce women to "7 out of 10, would bang" find a way." redqueen Dec 2013 #333

That doesn't work either ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #286

Awesome video. Thank you. nt DLevine Dec 2013 #193

Excellent video. Thanks for posting it. nt MineralMan Dec 2013 #204

Rec yardwork Dec 2013 #216

The Male Gaze... davidthegnome Dec 2013 #223

good post but a couple things. you say women are appealing, men not so much. that is something seabeyond Dec 2013 #267

You make some good points. davidthegnome Dec 2013 #309

thank you for this post. was a fun post. seabeyond Dec 2013 #324

Thank you for this post. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #335

This, & not just men. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #406

It's not that hard to figure out ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #278

None of it is polite or considerate. redqueen Dec 2013 #336

Thank you for that. CFLDem Dec 2013 #424

A poor choice of words on my part. davidthegnome Dec 2013 #427

Try being a young gay attractive woman Aerows Dec 2013 #247

... ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #295

Obviously, you should have chosen not to be attractive. Duh. Orrex Dec 2013 #400

"Hey creep, quit staring at my Tramp Stamp!" whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #249

Exactly. "Quit staring at the cleavage I have so carefully wrapped up and put on display." Ace Acme Dec 2013 #332

for like a decade i did not buy any new tops or pants because the ONLY thing out there were tops seabeyond Dec 2013 #337

I agree with the notion that women should be able to wear whatever they want whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #341

Nobody is "asking" for anything based on their clothing choices. redqueen Dec 2013 #357

That woman is indeed making a statement whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #368

Wow. redqueen Dec 2013 #372

Hey redqueen whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #379

Ok let me ask you this. What if they'd shown women on a beach? redqueen Dec 2013 #394

I see your point whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #412

I agree they definitely needed to add a beach scene. CFLDem Dec 2013 #429

ah. now you have just taken off the mask and going around purposely trying to be offensive. so mad seabeyond Dec 2013 #435

Actually I was positively supporting CFLDem Dec 2013 #440

Are you admitting it's rude to stare, or are you just being rude? nt redqueen Dec 2013 #441

I've always admitted that staring is rude. CFLDem Dec 2013 #443

Well it looked upthread like you were rationalizing it, redqueen Dec 2013 #447

No I rationalized glancing. CFLDem Dec 2013 #452

The men in the video aren't doing that, though. redqueen Dec 2013 #453

People can get whatever tattoos they want gollygee Dec 2013 #466

more slut shaming. i see you go into another thread to continue your slut shaming. against du rule seabeyond Dec 2013 #349

Yeah, I really need to cut these things off to keep men from ogling me BainsBane Dec 2013 #405

She didn't put it on display treestar Dec 2013 #463

Can you name any body art on men that's referred to with a slur aimed at his enjoyment of sex? redqueen Dec 2013 #339

You're right, the slang term for that particular adornment is demeaning whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #353

Oddly enough it was a woman who first alerted me to the term "tramp stamp". Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 #450

Gorgeous people in that treestar Dec 2013 #255

When I get one of "those" looks deaniac21 Dec 2013 #389

pretty dumb santroy79 Dec 2013 #401

107 recs so far BainsBane Dec 2013 #402

I love that. 'Look at yourself, you pig.' K&R closeupready Dec 2013 #455

That was very well done and a powerful message. /nt Ash_F Dec 2013 #486

+1 rec. Thanks, red. nt. Mc Mike Dec 2013 #489

Zombie threads. Gotta love them. I would say I looked at around 40 women today Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #512

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #517

Lol. Damn big ears. I gazed at her longer than a second. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #521

You aren't supposed to look at a tattoo? oberliner Jan 2014 #520