No and yes and why the government should not be involved in religious rites at all. (Reply #5)

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Mon Dec 23, 2013, 04:32 PM

5. No and yes and why the government should not be involved in religious rites at all.

Polyamory is a perfectly valid choice, but the legalities of marriage, born out of religious doctrine, turn the consensual agreement into a vehicle of enforceable servitude and form of commerce.

Thus, we end up with obscenities like the FLA being defended in the name of freedom.

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98 replies	Author	Time	Post
Should Polygamy be illegal? [View all]	cthulu2016	Dec 2013	OP
It's already sort of illegal now.	DanTex	Dec 2013	#1
It is more impossible than it is illegal.	cthulu2016	Dec 2013	#7
I can't think of any legal reasoning about why it shouldn't be legal	penultimate	Dec 2013	#2
i go with anything being legal as long as its consenting adults, everyone should be able to suffer	loli phabay	Dec 2013	#3
I think you and I are at the same place with that. nt	stevenleser	Dec 2013	#4
No and yes and why the government should not be involved in religious rites at all.	Egalitarian Thug	Dec 2013	#5
If the inherent issue of imbalance of power is addressed, I'd be happy to look at the issue.	LanternWaste	Dec 2013	#6
Amazing looks into this culture. Did you read "Under the Banner of Heaven?"	Squinch	Dec 2013	#45
I'm almost afraid to read Banner. For me, Shattered Dreams was difficult enough to get through	LanternWaste	Dec 2013	#48
It is horrible. But it is also fascinating how people allow this handful of men	Squinch	Dec 2013	#53
Another rec for Under The Banner of Heaven.	riderinthestorm	Dec 2013	#68
I couldn't care if they married a brick named Eloise. There are other things besides their marriage	Squinch	Dec 2013	#8
K & R	Thinkingabout	Dec 2013	#49
There is also an aspect of absolute worship of the few powerful men that inevitably leads to	Squinch	Dec 2013	#54
Should reverse polygamy be legal?	pscot	Dec 2013	#9
That would be polyandry. Together they are polyamory. n/t	Egalitarian Thug	Dec 2013	#93
A limerick shows the way:	riqster	Dec 2013	#10
Polygamy as it's mostly practiced today should indeed remain illegal.	Sheldon Cooper	Dec 2013	#11
None of that has anything to do with the question	cthulu2016	Dec 2013	#14
Sorry about your inability to read and comprehend.	Sheldon Cooper	Dec 2013	#17
Yes, it should be illegal.	ohheckyeah	Dec 2013	#12
Okay. Can you tackle the second question?	cthulu2016	Dec 2013	#16
The lawful marriage	ohheckyeah	Dec 2013	#27
You are absolutely correct	get the red out	Dec 2013	#40
Wouldn't be the first	ohheckyeah	Dec 2013	#42
No, consenting adults should be able to make whatever agreements between themselves as they	kelly1mm	Dec 2013	#13
You would need an overhaul of a number of other laws	jberryhill	Dec 2013	#15
There is no question of state recognition in sight.	cthulu2016	Dec 2013	#21
Oh, then I don't understand the question	jberryhill	Dec 2013	#26
But jberryhill's point is an interesting one. There is a question with the majority of the	Squinch	Dec 2013	#43
No. It should be legal	LittleBlue	Dec 2013	#18
I am against such accommodation.	cthulu2016	Dec 2013	#22
Long-term, I think this will be viewed no differently than gay marriage	LittleBlue	Dec 2013	#28
The value of one sex comparable to the other	get the red out	Dec 2013	#37
When I read that, it feels like the rationalizations	LittleBlue	Dec 2013	#66
Read "Under the Banner of Heaven" by John Krakauer. It's a lot more than "ewwww."	Squinch	Dec 2013	#67
Actually, I have	LittleBlue	Dec 2013	#69
So you are aware there is a lot more than "ew" here.	Squinch	Dec 2013	#70
No. Because I could write a book 100 times as lengthy	LittleBlue	Dec 2013	#71
Not abuses that encompass women, children and men,	Squinch	Dec 2013	#73
lol what nonsense	LittleBlue	Dec 2013	#74
Oh, dear lord. You really are invested in believing that.	Squinch	Dec 2013	#83
Those aren't institutionalized into the entity of marriage	get the red out	Dec 2013	#88
No, it doesn't read like that	get the red out	Dec 2013	#87
No to polygamy. Yes to polyamory.	Blue_Adept	Dec 2013	#19
If there is informed consent on the part of everyone involved...	Lizzie Poppet	Dec 2013	#20
How is it informed consent	ohheckyeah	Dec 2013	#29
Well that wouldn't be informed consent, would it? (nt)	Lizzie Poppet	Dec 2013	#31
We would jump all over ourselves to claim it was	get the red out	Dec 2013	#39
The question, though, is an interesting one. In, say, the FLDS, is informed consent possible?	Squinch	Dec 2013	#55
Only thing I can think of is, people might take advantage of group marriage for tax reasons.	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2013	#23
No tax implications, since no government recognizes the unions.	cthulu2016	Dec 2013	#25
I guess I misunderstood the question, then-	Warren DeMontague	Dec 2013	#32
I do not see how people living together can be illegal	get the red out	Dec 2013	#41
Strange this came up when it did...	ohheckyeah	Dec 2013	#47
No complaints	get the red out	Dec 2013	#89
Something else not talked about is	ohheckyeah	Dec 2013	#91
Hmm...it's currently only illegal if the parties attempt	MineralMan	Dec 2013	#24
"currently"	cthulu2016	Dec 2013	#90
Illegal. I can't even begin to imagine how you'd work out the legal contractual problems.	riderinthestorm	Dec 2013	#30
+1000000	CFLDem	Dec 2013	#34
So only a man with many wives?	get the red out	Dec 2013	#33
What's the difference between polygamy and polyamory? n/t	cherokeeprogressive	Dec 2013	#35
No. Nor should polyandry. Or, any other combination among consenting adults.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Dec 2013	#36
short of claiming any kind of legal rights and responsibilities arising from the	geek tragedy	Dec 2013	#38
Sure, adults can marry any other adults they like...	Demo_Chris	Dec 2013	#44
And the polygamy is a	ohheckyeah	Dec 2013	#51
Absolutely correct. Assuming we can eliminate that as an issue...	Demo_Chris	Dec 2013	#57
Of course, but I	ohheckyeah	Dec 2013	#58
You could be correct. Hopefully we will one day find out. nt	Demo_Chris	Dec 2013	#62
I don't care what they do, but......	dem in texas	Dec 2013	#46
I don't think it's so much about the sex	ohheckyeah	Dec 2013	#50
I support the rights of consenting adults.	Vashta Nerada	Dec 2013	#52
If you can find a woman who	ohheckyeah	Dec 2013	#59
as long as all the participants are consenting adults, no it shouldn't be illegal.	liberal_at_heart	Dec 2013	#56
I would love to know,	ohheckyeah	Dec 2013	#60
Are you talking about ones who know they are in one?	jberryhill	Dec 2013	#61
If they don't know they are in one,	ohheckyeah	Dec 2013	#65
If you want more information	ohheckyeah	Dec 2013	#63
Cohabitation is not Illegal	On the Road	Dec 2013	#64
Cohabitation in many countries	Harmony Blue	Dec 2013	#75
No, it should not be illegal (nt)	bigwillq	Dec 2013	#72
No. As long it's between consenting adults.	PeteSelman	Dec 2013	#76
Hell no. Polygamous communities are unhealthy and abusive	lanlady	Dec 2013	#77
Consenting adults should be able to marry	Blanket Statements	Dec 2013	#78
Polygamy doesn't work due to findnacial reasons alone	Harmony Blue	Dec 2013	#79
What about polyandry?	hobbit709	Dec 2013	#80
Yes	treestar	Dec 2013	#81
No. People should be able to marry whoever they want.	MadrasT	Dec 2013	#82
It should absolutely be legal	Riftaxe	Dec 2013	#84
I would agree with you IF	ohheckyeah	Dec 2013	#92
Right....because forcing men and women	Riftaxe	Dec 2013	#94
It's not about my ideals...	ohheckyeah	Dec 2013	#97
Ask the married men you know...	KinMd	Dec 2013	#85
I was going to go with multiple mothers in law, but that works, too.	ManiacJoe	Dec 2013	#86
Good point	davidpdx	Dec 2013	#95
Between consenting adults,	quaker bill	Dec 2013	#96
No, but only if I could have more than one husband. n/t	RebelOne	Dec 2013	#98

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