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Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:05 PM

Dec 2013

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In 2003 DLC said "fringes" in politics hung out at Dem Underground, mentioned Skinner by name. [View all] madfloridian Dec 2013 OP

Thank you for this fascinating look back! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2013 #1

"These Democrats who despise us are responsible for the increase in our numbers" madfloridian Dec 2013 #2

Thanks! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2013 #3

Or, to quote a great sign at the Madison protests.... Lifelong Protester Dec 2013 #202

At the time we were the fringe. Egnever Dec 2013 #4

We were the fringe to Bushco, yes. That we were dismissed as "fringe" by our own party winter is coming Dec 2013 #42

Well said. madfloridian Dec 2013 #65

And it was a false meme created by rightie Third Way. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #80

+1. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #73

Well said. n/t cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #84

We were the voices of reason, ALWAYS and we were RIGHT, weren't we? While the liars were spreading sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #129

My sig line from early days at DU: bvar22 Dec 2013 #159

"the people posting on that site are an animated bunch" - wrong! We are real! NRaleighLiberal Dec 2013 #5

I just found you on twitter... madfloridian Dec 2013 #7

howdy! Well, I used to be much more out there political in my tweets... NRaleighLiberal Dec 2013 #45

Congrats on the book! mimi85 Dec 2013 #164

LOL. Well, the traditional Democrats are real, anyway. woo me with science Dec 2013 #33

Speak for yourself! klook Dec 2013 #108

Excellent post. Phlem Dec 2013 #6

That is more like an Either/Or choice. RC Dec 2013 #12

yes but it's lost on others. Phlem Dec 2013 #20

and here is the gem DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #8

Agreed. madfloridian Dec 2013 #9

I forget. Phlem Dec 2013 #24

It was WH spokesperson Robert Gibbs.... madfloridian Dec 2013 #28

Nice find! Totally book marking it. Phlem Dec 2013 #32

He really made a mistake saying that. madfloridian Dec 2013 #40

Well yes and compound that with, Phlem Dec 2013 #46

No, as I remember it, we were wild-eyed latte-drinking Volvo-driving, birkenstock wearing liberals. PassingFair Dec 2013 #39

lol I remember that ad Here's the video from 2003...lol madfloridian Dec 2013 #43

"...latte-drinking Volvo-driving, birkenstock wearing liberals.'' YOHABLO Dec 2013 #48

I always gave my lattes to the Volvo. winter is coming Dec 2013 #204

That's the party leadership's view? Depressing. El_Johns Dec 2013 #41

Gibbs who has never earned a dime outside the world of 'professional politics'.... Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #114

How in the world did you read that phrase Number23 Dec 2013 #51

Because DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #61

I have absolutely no idea what you are even trying to say Number23 Dec 2013 #69

Mention ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #91

That phrase is a false characterization, propagated as fact by those who benefit from the lie. winter is coming Dec 2013 #156

TA DAH!! annabanana Dec 2013 #185

That's all well and good but has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted Number23 Dec 2013 #186

It's very much about what you were posting. winter is coming Dec 2013 #203

What's really intriguing is how some folks will see whatever they want Number23 Dec 2013 #214

"unhinged"? Wow, let it all hang out. Let us know how you really feel about liberals. madfloridian Dec 2013 #223

Point SPECTACULARLY made. And with a dose of martyrdom tossed in for taste. Thanks for that. Number23 Dec 2013 #225

Gibbs is completely full of shit noiretextatique Dec 2013 #207

I'm not saying that I agree with the quote. But it's clear what the quote was saying Number23 Dec 2013 #215

really?!? noiretextatique Jan 2014 #238

That still has nothing to do with the quote or the way that poster twisted it Number23 Jan 2014 #239

i didn't see that...and the comment was really stupid noiretextatique Jan 2014 #240

Regardless, I don't think it's important or interesting enough to drag up a 2 week old thread about Number23 Jan 2014 #241

Elizabeth Warren is NOT RUNNING!!! MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #103

Silly ...Hillary will fight for us against the 1%, banksters, insurance corporations and the MIC. L0oniX Dec 2013 #124

You'll be surprised. joshcryer Dec 2013 #227

more gems DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #10

Gerstein among the worst, as was Powers. madfloridian Dec 2013 #13

Everyone is so focused on presidential politics... Blanks Dec 2013 #152

But 2010 was all our fault! Doctor_J Dec 2013 #11

Great point. They also tried to blame 2000 on the left. I say if you want Christie for president, rhett o rick Dec 2013 #54

That was when I discovered DU malokvale77 Dec 2013 #14

It doesn't describe any liberal I know, either. winter is coming Dec 2013 #15

I raised 2 very liberal children... malokvale77 Dec 2013 #29

I found DU in 2002... madfloridian Dec 2013 #19

Welcome to the light, LOL malokvale77 Dec 2013 #35

And Then OWS Occurred To Clearly Delineate The Enemy - The 1% Versus Everyone Else cantbeserious Dec 2013 #16

The clash will be between the governing class and the activists. From 2004 madfloridian Dec 2013 #64

We had one of these "clashes" in the Arkansas Democratic Primary, 2010. bvar22 Dec 2013 #162

^^^^This^^^^ truebrit71 Dec 2013 #165

True. There's no way to give that pig a makeover. n/t winter is coming Dec 2013 #205

the Truth. Phlem Dec 2013 #212

DLC The Wizard Dec 2013 #17

Good and valid point. madfloridian Dec 2013 #34

Funny how "Turd Way" has the same stink, though. 1000words Dec 2013 #62

Change of letterhead does not equal death JHB Dec 2013 #96

When people become aware of a scam, do con artists turn honest? winter is coming Dec 2013 #160

The capitalists call this "rebranding"........... socialist_n_TN Dec 2013 #210

The DLC is not "dead". bvar22 Dec 2013 #192

Deaniacs were labled confederate flag loving gun nuts... joshcryer Dec 2013 #18

True, he really was the moderate. madfloridian Dec 2013 #22

The one thing Dean did amazing was leverage social media. joshcryer Dec 2013 #66

Most progressives I knew were relieved that Dean was pro-2A... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #118

Most progressives are pragmatic. joshcryer Dec 2013 #226

I agree that Hillary will have to run more "liberal"... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #228

You apparently miss that he was right... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #21

I disagree with so much of your post. madfloridian Dec 2013 #26

+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2013 #67

You deserve a massive plus one! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #82

The DU is home to the anti-Democratic-party left... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #219

the "anti-Democratic-party left"? Very judgemental. madfloridian Dec 2013 #221

" This is what he actually wrote:" Phlem Dec 2013 #37

if you have to announce to the world that you're a member of the "reality-based" community.. frylock Dec 2013 #144

I'm quoting the text of the ACTUAL REFERENCED ARTICLE ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #220

Baloney. I put a link to the whole article. You are purposely being misleading. madfloridian Dec 2013 #222

Actually, you did exactly. Which was good. ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #224

Ooh name calling and everything. Phlem Dec 2013 #232

Name calling? ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #235

yep. Phlem Dec 2013 #236

The Democrats were weak kneed The Wizard Dec 2013 #99

+1 lunasun Dec 2013 #123

+2 Phlem Dec 2013 #233

I dislike these attempts to divide Democrats treestar Dec 2013 #23

Hear that everyone! I don't believe you can walk and chew gum at the same time! Phlem Dec 2013 #27

Doesn't respond to my post fairly treestar Dec 2013 #125

Did we not just elect the guy twice? Even with a host of issues? Phlem Dec 2013 #176

The left is just as guilty of it as the middle... Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #44

What some of the Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #76

+1 treestar Dec 2013 #131

Pure hogwash. And worse. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #83

Drunken's post is reasonable treestar Dec 2013 #132

How is it hogwash? Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #138

Oh, you two! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #184

Oh, please. The "centrists" actually GET some stuff from the party Doctor_J Dec 2013 #120

Sounds like you dislike centrists more than you dislike Republicans treestar Dec 2013 #133

Horse puckey. n/t truedelphi Dec 2013 #168

I dislike conservatives of any nominal affiliation Doctor_J Dec 2013 #230

anyone adhering to the ideas in paragraph one treestar Dec 2013 #130

So we all should stick together and accept the fact that... polichick Dec 2013 #141

I said it was hard to stick together treestar Dec 2013 #142

My point is we shouldn't stick together under current circumstances... polichick Dec 2013 #143

When the left can't form a coalition, the result is a hard right government & long term disaster stevenleser Dec 2013 #146

That kind of thinking turned the Dems into a second corporate party... polichick Dec 2013 #147

It's not "thinking", it's looking at obvious historical facts. You may not like what history shows stevenleser Dec 2013 #148

Primaries are the place to fight it out... polichick Dec 2013 #149

Your straw man has nothing to do with my point. stevenleser Dec 2013 #151

Your point seems to be that the left should fall in line... polichick Dec 2013 #170

No, that is your straw man. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #171

That's not what you're suggesting here?... polichick Dec 2013 #199

We had a coalition in 2009. We got a hard right government anyway Doctor_J Dec 2013 #172

No, we didn't. We didn't get anything like what the Tea Party here would do in power. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #173

The Teabaggers are about 10% of the electorate. We had more than 50% Doctor_J Dec 2013 #177

The far right is always a small slice thats why it takes a fractured left for them to take power. stevenleser Dec 2013 #178

I think you're inaccurate in your assumption that the Democratic Party is synonymous with the Left. Maedhros Dec 2013 #187

The Tea Party doesn't think John McCain is right wing either. But he is. stevenleser Dec 2013 #189

"Left" is not as subjective as you make it out to be. Maedhros Dec 2013 #193

And its not as narrow as you suggest it is. All of those things are common to the dreaded 3rd wayers stevenleser Dec 2013 #194

"The Democratic Party is dominated by entrenched interests that see 'the Left' as a problem" winter is coming Dec 2013 #208

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #25

Thank you, WillyT madfloridian Dec 2013 #58

to this day, Dean is awesome, but he's not some uber liberal. he's a centrist with brass stones who dionysus Dec 2013 #30

+1 Still a Deniac. nt Live and Learn Dec 2013 #68

He's a damned site more liberal than the President is... truebrit71 Dec 2013 #166

yeah, but he's not as cool as this Dean; dionysus Dec 2013 #237

Dean's message was "fiery"? And also "elitist, weak-kneed, brain-dead"? winter is coming Dec 2013 #31

Oh how I remember those dark days. K&R n/t myrna minx Dec 2013 #36

There were some dark times, weren't there? madfloridian Dec 2013 #38

What makes folks believe these "dark days" have left? LovingA2andMI Dec 2013 #47

and today we see this; M_A Dec 2013 #213

Ah, good times geomon666 Dec 2013 #49

K&R Their primary goal is to get us to shut up. woo me with science Dec 2013 #50

That's why we see all the paid operators here. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #86

How to tell the difference, we've got "paid operators" from every faction here. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #90

No we don't. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #92

If you don't think the Koch Bros. money hasn't been spread out equally... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #98

You believe the Kochs and others would Enthusiast Dec 2013 #100

It's not the "position" they're arguing. It's the division they're sowing. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #101

How insulting. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #102

I kinda figure you were done with your first insult to other DU'ers..."paid operators"? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #104

You don't think there are "paid operators" here? Scuba Dec 2013 #110

Obviously, reading isn't fundamental in your case. Re-read my post. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #136

Ahhhh, I see. Pholus Dec 2013 #112

What kind of division is sewn in multi cultural Party by folks who say Latin America Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #115

I stood by the statement then, as I do now. Next question? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #137

Wha-a-t! ??? n/t truedelphi Dec 2013 #181

You're hilarious. Scuba Dec 2013 #105

Why thank you. I'm here all week. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #107

Anyone who disagrees with me is a "paid operator." treestar Dec 2013 #135

+10000. They're small, but loud, and overrepresented on the internet, especially DU. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #139

So y'all agree we need to raise taxes on the rich to pre-Reagan levels, exit costly trade agreements grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #154

You don't have a fuckin' party, or did you forget the thread you're posting on? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #158

Now that's a divisive statement treestar Dec 2013 #200

Do you agree with any of those points, and which ones? grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #216

This was a head scratcher pintobean Dec 2013 #190

The Third party Alert Task Force is in full effect today: Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #197

That made me laugh. pintobean Dec 2013 #198

I feel sorry for that one. Must be hell to rule an internet site, and still have no real world.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #201

Merry Christmas Tarheel_Dem pintobean Dec 2013 #209

Exactly. But we're all supposed to pretend that's not what's happening here Number23 Dec 2013 #188

Shut up...AND VOTE Doctor_J Dec 2013 #122

That's 10 years ago.................... George II Dec 2013 #52

What goes around comes around... madfloridian Dec 2013 #53

And its gotten worse since The Great Appeaser took office Doctor_J Dec 2013 #121

A lot of folks were chased off this site for calling attention to the DLC 1000words Dec 2013 #55

Growth and change... madfloridian Dec 2013 #57

Yes I'm sure they will try to purge us liberals when the 2014 elections come around. liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #59

kick and recommend. When madfloridian starts typing... solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #56

..... madfloridian Dec 2013 #60

Green for victory!!... SidDithers Dec 2013 #111

Don't you mean "Red Green"? L0oniX Dec 2013 #128

the corporatist think they're fighting the elite! the purgers think they're protecting the Party MisterP Dec 2013 #63

Yer damn skippy! progressoid Dec 2013 #70

The party has devoted a LOT of time and effort to sucking up to the 1%... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #71

well of course iamthebandfanman Dec 2013 #72

To them Notafraidtoo Dec 2013 #74

K&R.... daleanime Dec 2013 #75

Third Way believes in making the Democratic Party into Enthusiast Dec 2013 #77

+1 Scuba Dec 2013 #106

The Iraq war. think Dec 2013 #78

Recommended X 1000! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #79

Isn't that about the time the sensible woodchucks showed up? hootinholler Dec 2013 #81

Shhh madfloridian Dec 2013 #87

Ooohhhhh I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok! hootinholler Dec 2013 #94

lol madfloridian Dec 2013 #116

K&R Solly Mack Dec 2013 #85

".. disproportionately magnifying the voices of the activist groups with the loudest, most combative pampango Dec 2013 #88

K&R emsimon33 Dec 2013 #89

Right now the real fringe has way too much power and money. ananda Dec 2013 #93

I'm sure . . . another_liberal Dec 2013 #95

K&R Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #97

Great thread, with many replies illustrating the Turd Way's presence here. Scuba Dec 2013 #109

Totally. They've almost become cariacatures of themselves. marmar Dec 2013 #117

Yep. nt antigop Dec 2013 #126

Kucinich 2004!...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #113

Interesting article, even more interesting reactions. stevenleser Dec 2013 #119

great thread, mad! Thanks. nt antigop Dec 2013 #127

DU prospered, FR foundered. Kudos to DU! . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #134

Echoes are great nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #169

Alexa is bogus; it depends on people dumb enough to install their toolbar Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #182

Alexa might be bogus, but it's ratings are still used for buying and selling of sites nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #206

Kick & Rec FloriTexan Dec 2013 #140

Recommend. nt Zorra Dec 2013 #145

Who is Randolph Court and why are we giving any weight to what he wrote a decade ago? grantcart Dec 2013 #150

Well, he picks on the bigger DU cliques' favorite boogeyman so that's all that matters. stevenleser Dec 2013 #153

Between the revisionsism of who and what Howard Dean was (a STAUNCH moderate Number23 Dec 2013 #191

There is no need to answer sometimes. madfloridian Dec 2013 #195

If Elizabeth Warren does run, her issues will be very different from Dean's. Number23 Dec 2013 #196

He's been replaced by Jon Cowan and Jim Kessler madfloridian Dec 2013 #155

I would ask the same question about Gerstein Doctor_J Dec 2013 #174

Howard who? Kurovski Dec 2013 #157

Ten years later, DU is still alive and kicking rocktivity Dec 2013 #161

It was not enough DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #163

Neo Democrats Have Helped Get Us In This Mess colsohlibgal Dec 2013 #167

But the officials in Israel and AIPAC love him n/t truedelphi Dec 2013 #183

"Unfortunately for them......" DFW Dec 2013 #175

"The Deaniacs didn't die out with the end of Howard's candidacy." madfloridian Dec 2013 #229

"Much of what they post...would not be appropriate to repeat here." robertpaulsen Dec 2013 #179

Yeah, they mean posts like, "We need health care, not private insurance" Doctor_J Dec 2013 #231

A failed attempt to dismiss anything left of Reagan DirkGently Dec 2013 #180

DU was a threat, that is why the "Hordes of turd wayers" we see now PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #211

"a third of a third" MisterP Dec 2013 #217

K&R great post! eom TransitJohn Dec 2013 #218

The Internet has/is enhancing democracy and I believe contibuting to voter turnout. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #234