A gay perspective on masculine and male related issues (and leering).

[The Straight Story]

82. Ok, but what is the point here?

X finds something offensive, Y does not. X calls Y names because they don't see it the same way.

That is where the problems seem to originate here. I get some people are offended by certain things - and I respect that any individual, regardless of group, can - and does - find things which to them as a person are offensive.

When same person tells me I am 'insert label here' because I, myself, do not it seem it the same way is where arguments begin - especially when they want to use their personal feeling on it to change others and their behaviors (it is very missionary like. Reminds me of the American Indians and how people tried to convert them from their 'barbaric' ways to civilize them).

If I say I find roses offensive because they are red and have thorns I can pretty much guarantee some people will inquire as to why, say how much they love roses, and so on. It is a natural response to wonder why and I am sure some would take offense if I said they just didn't understand and they are idiots who don't care. If I go further and say those who look at roses are freaks, perverts, and roses are used by men to subjugate women does that mean from here on out I have a respected position that I should try to get the admins to enforce on my behalf?

Some men and women both like, and make, porn. Should I, as a man, tell a woman that doing so makes her a victim, sell out, and that she cannot possibly know what she is doing? Can another woman tell all women the same and then suddenly it simply is truth and to say it is not somehow means that the person not agreeing is a patriarchal dupe in need of education?

It seems not even people part of some group we define should have the right to demean the entire group because of their personal ideals. So if someone outside of the group sides with one side or the other should they be welcomed as 'getting' it? Funny how it works because when you agree with someone inside the group they respect what you have to say about it, but outside or inside the group if you don't then your voice is not one to be heard because either you don't belong or you need to be educated about why you are so wrong in not wanting everyone to accept the arguments as gospel.