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jollyreaper2112

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Tue Dec 24, 2013, 09:09 AM Dec 2013

This is how special interest evangelism fails (sexism) [View all]

I've avoided most or the shit-flinging threads. I'm starting from sexism but it goes further than that. Here's what it boils down to, fundamental question:

Are you trying to change minds or bust skulls?

You have an issue you are passionate about. You feel that a portion of the population is on the wrong side of it. So, are you seeking to educate and inform to persuade or are you looking to exorcise your own demons? Are you looking for punching bags?

Some people will be jerks. Some people will hate gays, other races, women, the fat, the thin, other religions, etc. You can't reach these people, only contain the damage. You didn't win over racist southerners, you desegregated and guarded the kids.

But when someone is doing wrong out of ignorance, not malice, does attacking them do anything good?

Some evangelists are so interested in scoring points and doctrinal purity that they aren't spreading the word, they're spreading poison and squandering sympathy for the cause.

This failure mode is not unique to any one particular group: any special interest can succumb to it. This is a common human failure.

So when you are tempted to bandwagon or dogpile on the latest offense, please ask yourself what you're really going to accomplish. Is this doing any good?

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Great, comparing feminist discussion of issues to evangelists scoring points and doctrinal purity boston bean Dec 2013 #1
It's a pretty apt comparison in general The Straight Story Dec 2013 #2
I've read most threads and what you write boston bean Dec 2013 #3
"calling for more intelligent and less inflammatory discussions" from the man with the door issue on seabeyond Dec 2013 #5
+1. [nt] Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #33
ah, excellent jollyreaper2112 Dec 2013 #14
A perfect post. Bonobo Dec 2013 #4
need an enemy? cause i needed old to start an Op dissing me and all the voices to diss me as i am seabeyond Dec 2013 #6
You were just going along minding your own business Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #8
no. bam an OP started to attack our group and me personally. and a pile on of insulting, seabeyond Dec 2013 #9
you were never named jollyreaper2112 Dec 2013 #15
yes. i was seabeyond Dec 2013 #16
Did you see this, Sea? gollygee Dec 2013 #26
ya. did you see this one? seabeyond Dec 2013 #29
That's not my post jollyreaper2112 Dec 2013 #27
why are you addressing me. i was staying in context, read reply to bonobo. then capt... seabeyond Dec 2013 #31
ok jollyreaper2112 Dec 2013 #32
Nope, you get to be jumped by a very familiar-looking series of usernames. Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #34
WRONG. Your first sentence is incorrect, WRONG! boston bean Dec 2013 #17
er jollyreaper2112 Dec 2013 #25
which brings me to another point per the Op. dont you have at least SOME responsibility in seabeyond Dec 2013 #10
jolly, when i watch people able to be ugly against a few and then see an OP here calling out the seabeyond Dec 2013 #7
I don't absolve anyone jollyreaper2112 Dec 2013 #20
i am not an imbecile. i have never promoted all women are light, all men evil. further seabeyond Dec 2013 #22
Yesterday's fiasco was started to bash skulls. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #11
K&R! Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #12
This is how "special interest" evangelism "fails" kcr Dec 2013 #13
There's a school of thought that says "If I bust this guy's skull, I change that guy's mind." Iggo Dec 2013 #18
skull-busting jollyreaper2112 Dec 2013 #23
Here's how it looks from my side gollygee Dec 2013 #19
Yes. This is exactly it. kcr Dec 2013 #24
What can happen is you can get mad treestar Dec 2013 #21
This is an excellent question for each of us to ask ourselves. Kurovski Dec 2013 #28
I'm not sure it's about either changing minds or busting skulls. rrneck Dec 2013 #30
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