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lumberjack_jeff

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169. It's transparent and cynical pandering.

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 12:23 PM

Dec 2013

Hopping on the men are vile, wicked and depraved bandwagon may very well be a great way to build DU cred, but the ~~Bob Dole~~ errr Lumberjack_Jeff of today AND the Lumberjack_Jeff of 10 years ago both see it as ill-intentioned pandering.

Looking at women may often be considered rude, and even may sometimes be intended as rude, but the importance of the topic did not deserve this... specifically YOUR degree of man bashing, white knighting and condescending dickishness.

Of course women deserve to be treated like human beings. What would your reaction be to an OP from a man complaining about their own objectification? "Grow up" perhaps? "Man up" maybe? "Grow a pair" probably? In our community, it isn't women at risk of being dehumanized, and I don't have much respect for anyone whose interests in any topic is limited to correctly identifying the side that's winning.

The ultimate expression of respect isn't pandering, it's disagreement. It respects both yourself as well as the person who you are taking seriously.

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I'm a man... [View all] MrScorpio Dec 2013 OP

We had our differences years ago, but lately I've been noticing that you rock. yardwork Dec 2013 #1

Well said - K&R - nt Ohio Joe Dec 2013 #2

Considering the way so many men treat women, it's a wonder they'll have anything to do with us. Scuba Dec 2013 #3

K&R YoungDemCA Dec 2013 #4

Tell it. A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2013 #5

This man says "well said!" arcane1 Dec 2013 #6

People have been reccing your post so fast . . . Brigid Dec 2013 #7

To be honest.... Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #8

If the shoe fits.... YoungDemCA Dec 2013 #11

What are you saying? Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #20

I said no such thing YoungDemCA Dec 2013 #25

There are no MRA's on DU Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #28

We just had a whole thread about "creep shaming" gollygee Dec 2013 #36

You must not interact Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #44

The phrase is a made up MRA phrase gollygee Dec 2013 #46

Just because MRAs use it often Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #52

when everything you say is pua mra talk, then people are going to call it. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #53

So now it is PUA phrase? Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #54

i told you the pua comment below. and up here a mra comment. hence, pua mra. i am very specific seabeyond Dec 2013 #56

I read alll feminist, traditionalists, etc sites on the web Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #62

3rd tried the inclusive and it failed. 4th is out there, loud, strong, smart and seabeyond Dec 2013 #81

I disagree Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #85

it has failed. even the leaders have declared it a failure and done a 180. seabeyond Dec 2013 #88

Thanks for the laugh... YoungDemCA Dec 2013 #41

thank you for the funniest post I have seen today. you nearly owed me a keyboard. niyad Dec 2013 #135

I've posted polls asking that question. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #179

Oh bull-puckey. Raine1967 Dec 2013 #147

The last thing I hate to do is beat around the bush MrScorpio Dec 2013 #12

+1 YoungDemCA Dec 2013 #14

I am not a privledged person Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #16

But shouldn't men who behave badly feel ashamed? MrScorpio Dec 2013 #21

Men that behave badly have learned Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #32

oh bullshit. more of the pua whine that only the bad boys get the hot chick, crap. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #40

I am not whining Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #45

you are wrong. it is a bullshit meme that men who can not get women put out. and you added seabeyond Dec 2013 #51

It is not a blame at women Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #55

and that is what we are doing here. shunning. yet you cry out... foul. cant have it both ways seabeyond Dec 2013 #57

Telling men to shut up Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #60

blaming the women again? nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #61

Our (Men and women ) society Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #63

ok. i will be open to what you are talking about. seabeyond Dec 2013 #83

"Our society"...meaning? YoungDemCA Dec 2013 #43

oh bullshit. historically, men who behave badly are not punished because BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #96

i love your voice. have i told you recently? seabeyond Dec 2013 #99

oh my!! thank you sea!!! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #104

yu oh. just on the Op. k. i will read more. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #110

hee! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #114

Excellent post YoungDemCA Dec 2013 #154

I second that emotion. nt raccoon Dec 2013 #162

I am a white human being. That makes me privileged eridani Dec 2013 #143

Thank you, MrScorpio n/t Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #9

I'm the nerdiest, dorkiest, goofiest-lookin' guy around Codeine Dec 2013 #10

I think a lot of it is insecurity... YoungDemCA Dec 2013 #15

Wish I could recommend your post as well AuntPatsy Dec 2013 #49

They don't have any empathy imo. Rex Dec 2013 #100

nice post. i hope somethings get through. boston bean Dec 2013 #13

Kind words and very well put - TBF Dec 2013 #17

Very well said. M0rpheus Dec 2013 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2013 #19

If what they believe is hateful sexist bullshit, then yeah, they should shut the fuck up YoungDemCA Dec 2013 #23

Did you read it all the way to the end? MrScorpio Dec 2013 #24

It is ironic Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #26

You're not "opening up" in good faith though... YoungDemCA Dec 2013 #48

I am not whining and I am not blaming feminists Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #59

Well, first off, no one finds whiners attractive, except maybe other whiners justiceischeap Dec 2013 #66

Please identify the people that are whining? Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #80

Yes, please be vulnerable libodem Dec 2013 #67

It's just whining about whining about whining pintobean Dec 2013 #31

It's just a saying. Everyone knows no one has to stop talking treestar Dec 2013 #171

As a start. Stop with the pornography question everything Dec 2013 #22

I'm sorry� Are you saying that I've been posting porn? MrScorpio Dec 2013 #27

Sorry, no. "You" refer to DU question everything Dec 2013 #86

Actually, I think porn has its place... MrScorpio Dec 2013 #95

are you talking kishito itto or whomever? nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #30

Yes. (nt) question everything Dec 2013 #177

I have a pretty low tolerance for shock content as a juror davidpdx Dec 2013 #141

i talked to at least 5 men out and about shopping tonight. it was all fun, play, happy and we all seabeyond Dec 2013 #29

5guys, i dont know what to say. ;) loli phabay Dec 2013 #38

see, the tough part seabeyond Dec 2013 #42

on this i agree, its like talking in person and then through a third party. loli phabay Dec 2013 #47

I will agree it's not a tough one, but not everyone is raised the same way, CrispyQ Dec 2013 #176

Well said, well stated, well spoken!! Agreed 110% benld74 Dec 2013 #33

Fantastic post. Thank you. TDale313 Dec 2013 #34

I fucking love you right now. MadrasT Dec 2013 #35

Thank you AuntPatsy Dec 2013 #37

I guess you could use another K&R gollygee Dec 2013 #39

THANK YOU n/t Triana Dec 2013 #50

This is not the first time that I have said this to you, Curmudgeoness Dec 2013 #58

I think a lot gets lost on a message board The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #64

And there are some people on this specific message board justiceischeap Dec 2013 #68

I haven't participated much in these threads. KitSileya Dec 2013 #158

I have one, selfish issue about this. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #65

Only males that are dominant are those with the 1% wealth in our country Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #69

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #70

"accept your roll is this" Skittles Dec 2013 #75

What roll is that? ryan_cats Dec 2013 #82

lol. throw a rant about the whining as you get all defenisve about "judging" your wife when you put seabeyond Dec 2013 #89

THANK YOU Skittles Dec 2013 #93

thinking. i find it particularly funny he uses his wife to hide behind as he calls women chicks, seabeyond Dec 2013 #101

you know it Skittles Dec 2013 #102

some times it is simply too easy. seabeyond Dec 2013 #108

I'm not the one with boiling blood pressure. This makes me laugh. ryan_cats Dec 2013 #106

When in doubt, double down? AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #107

cause his woman says so.... dontcha know. now all you wimminz... hush. funny. i gotta wrap some seabeyond Dec 2013 #111

I'm not in doubt. I am a man who knows how things work. ryan_cats Dec 2013 #112

gnashing their teeth and suffering from an attack of the vapors seabeyond Dec 2013 #115

HE'S A MAN WHO "KNOWS HOW THINGS WORK" Skittles Dec 2013 #130

or his wife does, anyway. lol. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #132

yes.....his "wife" Skittles Dec 2013 #145

"I am a man who knows how things work." AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #116

SO, failing to come up with a compelling article, or reasoning, you resort to censoring ryan_cats Dec 2013 #125

Oh yes, I'm a scoundrel for alerting on a clear rules violation/personal attack post. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #126

McCarthy, Goebbels... A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2013 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author NuclearDem Dec 2013 #140

You have the right to offend? treestar Dec 2013 #174

A regular roll of barbed wire, that one. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #189

Logic is not a clear issue for you... ryan_cats Dec 2013 #117

oh... you got me, straight to the heart, stumblin' back. what a hoot you are. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #121

LOL, you poor thang Skittles Dec 2013 #92

Oh my, with a statement like that, if I was one of those thin skin whiner/ perpetually offended. ryan_cats Dec 2013 #109

now you are in trouble. nobody, and i mean nobody, insults our beloved skittles like that seabeyond Dec 2013 #113

Really, so some posters are more equal than others? ryan_cats Dec 2013 #120

they are liked more than others, anyway... lol. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #122

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Skittles Dec 2013 #127

Hahahaha!! Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #161

Is it a Kaiser roll? chervilant Dec 2013 #168

Had to have someone resort to that one treestar Dec 2013 #173

Love how they always use their "wife" treestar Dec 2013 #172

Well, I guess you're going out to last minute shop for burkhas this holiday, if you haven't already MrScorpio Dec 2013 #76

Project much? ryan_cats Dec 2013 #77

And what bullshit is that? MrScorpio Dec 2013 #91

Everyone is at risk of a crime when out in public davidn3600 Dec 2013 #84

Is there a point that relates to what I'm talking about here somewhere? MrScorpio Dec 2013 #94

chick.perpetually offended. jealous? so. you slut shame the girls dress, asking for it. you prude seabeyond Dec 2013 #87

"Tramp stamp"? My wife has a full back tattoo. If you catch a glimpse of the lower portion of it AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #105

his wife is really pumping him up as we speak. lmfao. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #124

Disgusting. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #133

his wife is. she told him to say it. lol. he da man. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #134

just as a matter of curiosity, are you intentionally misusing "roll"? have to admit, it makes your niyad Dec 2013 #139

This. WilliamPitt Dec 2013 #71

SPOKEN BY A REAL MAN!!! Skittles Dec 2013 #72

Great post, and a lot of great comments in reply. Squinch Dec 2013 #73

It has been encouraging, yes. A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2013 #74

Seems like a lot of whining coming from both directions. Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #78

I am a man and was raised by a lot of powerful, female, role models. Rex Dec 2013 #79

+1. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #90

Have a great Christmas sea! Rex Dec 2013 #97

ahhh, thank you. we will and you too.... seabeyond Dec 2013 #103

Huge kick and rec--right on point, Mr. Scorpio. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #98

What about DUers who think of Asian women as "Spicy Thai babes"? Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #119

And what's date on that... Nine and half years ago? MrScorpio Dec 2013 #142

i was going to ask how far back the poster had to reach. but then, i figured seabeyond Dec 2013 #148

Huge K and fucking R. Iggo Dec 2013 #123

respect yourself.... madrchsod Dec 2013 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author madrchsod Dec 2013 #129

The one good thing about this day is that this OP got more recs NuclearDem Dec 2013 #131

"Shut the fuck up" Sorry no, I have every right to discuss issues relating to my gender. Kurska Dec 2013 #136

k and r for this excellent post. judging by this, and the one I read just prior, I have missed a niyad Dec 2013 #137

"deign" does notmean what Clarence Thomas thinks it means cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #138

There is NOTHING sexier than a man smart, confident and capable enough to communicate Number23 Dec 2013 #144

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #146

Wow, you didn't last long did you? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #149

You're right. DU is rife with sexism. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #150

he has already been called out on that. how long ago is it? i would much prefer a man that shifted seabeyond Dec 2013 #151

The statute of limitations clock restarted at "shut the fuck up". n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #152

he addressed it years ago. and has since shifted position. so no, you would be wrong lumberjack seabeyond Dec 2013 #153

Lol. opiate69 Dec 2013 #155

That's one way of making clear BainsBane Dec 2013 #160

Maybe some deserve lecturing about sensitivity.. YoungDemCA Dec 2013 #156

What's great about this is that everyone can see that I understand the mindset. I it had then MrScorpio Dec 2013 #157

It's transparent and cynical pandering. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #169

So are you implying that I haven't had a change of mind over the last ten years? MrScorpio Dec 2013 #178

Okay, perhaps I've misjudged you. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #180

I was speaking against a general mindset, not anyone in particular MrScorpio Dec 2013 #184

Thank God for a voice of reason BainsBane Dec 2013 #159

Thank you, MrScorpio. Excellent post. nt DLevine Dec 2013 #163

Great post. Recd. nt raccoon Dec 2013 #164

k&r Little Star Dec 2013 #165

Well, you are a straight man. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #166

If you'd like... MrScorpio Dec 2013 #167

FFS treestar Dec 2013 #175

I wish I could kiss you. wryter2000 Dec 2013 #170

Mission accomplished, Mr Scorpio. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #181

Because I'll never meet Mr. Scorpio wryter2000 Dec 2013 #185

what an incredibly shallow and petulant thing to say. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #186

One of the greater things about middle age, tavalon Dec 2013 #182

Thanks very much! nt MrScorpio Dec 2013 #187

Well, I'm a man... Feral Child Dec 2013 #183

Sorry... Im a man too XRubicon Dec 2013 #188