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seabeyond

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51. i agree. you do not see me starting OPs. i never do. and the majority of what i do address

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 01:00 PM

Dec 2013

is when a falsehood is presented as a truth. hence, me in this thread, giving my opinion, when i feel mischaracterizations are being made.

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How did "creeps" and socially awkward men become conflated? [View all] DanTex Dec 2013 OP

Thank you. RedCappedBandit Dec 2013 #1

No it doesn't make you a creep ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #6

Here's an essay that seems relevant to this discussion JHB Dec 2013 #19

I have no idea ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #2

Well said FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #5

.. ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #7

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #10

And +1 to you. To whatever extent these two things are being conflated, enough Dec 2013 #18

perfect analogy, thank you BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #21

Great post. Happy Holidays! nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #107

To you as well ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #116

Very true. raging moderate Dec 2013 #3

There is more to beauty than surfaces. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #17

i really love the the balance and grounding in your psot that allows you to seabeyond Dec 2013 #29

I've spent the last 23 years married to the love of my life, but that doesn't mean ... 11 Bravo Dec 2013 #96

Shyness and introversion aren't the same thing. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #4

In my opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #8

Your post displays a lot of insight etherealtruth Dec 2013 #9

And to extend my thought, a bit ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #12

Yeah etherealtruth Dec 2013 #14

Actually, creeps do get the girl. DanTex Dec 2013 #16

I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #20

"Success in dating," "get the girl..." sorry, that's starting to sound a little creepy. hunter Dec 2013 #37

You must have missed this. Pretty much the opposite of what you're suggesting: Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #69

How so? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #100

danger seattledo Dec 2013 #70

What? Very often? DanTex Dec 2013 #76

What you say has little to no basis in reality. And "awkward" men don't need to be demonized nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #109

Because it is subjective Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #11

Here's two "socially awkward" charactors from The Big Bang TexasProgresive Dec 2013 #13

absolutely. making socially awkward cool and lovable. the only show i watch. i love the characters. seabeyond Dec 2013 #30

Perfect etherealtruth Dec 2013 #36

Where did that happen? treestar Dec 2013 #15

For example... DanTex Dec 2013 #28

the second was done because SOME men were defending the leering with socially awkward. seabeyond Dec 2013 #32

I'd say that at the very least that quote has an unpleasant tone. DanTex Dec 2013 #39

i think the reason it probably resonated with the OP'er is cause we had been hearing all day, seabeyond Dec 2013 #40

Everyone's responding to something. DanTex Dec 2013 #48

i agree. you do not see me starting OPs. i never do. and the majority of what i do address seabeyond Dec 2013 #51

I agree, two completely different groups of people. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #22

Because "socially awkward" is a euphemism for Creep Demeter Dec 2013 #23

Here: Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #24

that's not what it says Demeter Dec 2013 #26

Yeah, read the thread title. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #35

That differentiates between the two treestar Dec 2013 #34

Really disturbing grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #115

good post dan. there was a lot talking about leering using it as an excuse for men, seabeyond Dec 2013 #25

I have a hard time understanding your posts Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #72

i knew there were issues, as did the school and teachers. i never took him to the doctor to seabeyond Dec 2013 #74

I never have trouble understanding your posts. You do have a unique style and I suspect some use retread Dec 2013 #86

i appreciate it retread. thank you. have a happy couple days. i am off to enjoy seabeyond Dec 2013 #92

Attack what? Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #99

I'm trying to understand what you are talking about Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #89

"it's pissing me off" xulamaude Dec 2013 #91

Hey! Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #98

I don't have any trouble understanding what she says. xulamaude Dec 2013 #102

I don't see a whole lot of people having much trouble understanding her kcr Dec 2013 #104

take care of your boys. i will take care of mine. you have no idea... seabeyond Dec 2013 #93

Not boys Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #97

Good riddance? Where is she going? kcr Dec 2013 #105

K&R Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #27

Latest gender wars on DU suck TransitJohn Dec 2013 #31

Nice post.. I love the last line because what a better world it would be mountain grammy Dec 2013 #33

Just to contribute an added layer Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #38

I remember an NPR interview libodem Dec 2013 #41

"women who talk about street harrassment" hfojvt Dec 2013 #42

"Relatively easier" is not the same thing as "easy." Just saying. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #110

When creeps/assholes started trying to say 'I'm not a creep, I'm just socially awkward!' redqueen Dec 2013 #43

They're not. A creep is any guy who's attention is unwanted... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #44

It's not within anyone's power to control what other people think kcr Dec 2013 #45

"Creep" is a subjective perjorative label, not an objective description of activities Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #83

Right. Exactly so. How does that change what I've said? kcr Dec 2013 #87

My objection is that you insist on using the term as something men DO, rather than something women f Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #94

I'm doing no such thing kcr Dec 2013 #95

Of course it's subjective. All "labels" are. Doesn't make them invalid, though. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #113

Wrong. redqueen Dec 2013 #67

My point Red is that we are not talking here about objective things... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #88

But really, all labels are are descriptive words. kcr Dec 2013 #103

Can't argue with that. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #111

haha, so she is demanding attention and the creep ignores her, LOL. Sure thing. bettyellen Dec 2013 #78

I don't know. Relationships are difficult. I really love this song and video: Zorra Dec 2013 #46

This one's also apropos DanTex Dec 2013 #47

That's a beautiful song. redqueen Dec 2013 #49

That's a great song too. DanTex Dec 2013 #50

The No Doubt people love the Radiohead side. redqueen Dec 2013 #52

Yes. kcr Dec 2013 #53

THANK YOU! redqueen Dec 2013 #55

Men who've harrassed me, leered at me, gave creeepy vibes, generally haven't been the awkard types kcr Dec 2013 #59

Same experience here, save a few. redqueen Dec 2013 #62

I'm not sure that's entirely true. DanTex Dec 2013 #54

I read that as him trying to be charitable to the kinds who see discussions of sexual harassment redqueen Dec 2013 #57

I don't see how you could possibly read it that way. Honestly. DanTex Dec 2013 #63

You'll have to ask Mr. Scorpio to clarify his intent. I can only give you my perspective. redqueen Dec 2013 #64

There are at least two such examples in this thread. DanTex Dec 2013 #71

The first post was replied to almost immediately. redqueen Dec 2013 #73

Thanks for getting that I get it. DanTex Dec 2013 #90

Both those tunes rule whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #61

As a perfect example of someone who actually is both creepy and socially awkward, I present Flatulo Dec 2013 #56

Almost makes me wish I had HBO. redqueen Dec 2013 #60

Wonderfully said WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #58

I wish you didn't feel targeted by such rhetoric. redqueen Dec 2013 #75

Thank you WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #82

Why don't you ask some women IRL? Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #65

Even if true, what about the significant percentage that aren't? It's a type of profiling Tom Rinaldo Dec 2013 #77

Life is hard. Get a fucking helmet. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #79

My well informed opinion: xulamaude Dec 2013 #66

some guys cry "Unfair!" that women will allow the socially adept more leeway, and bettyellen Dec 2013 #68

Definition of the word Glassunion Dec 2013 #80

Parts of nerd culture tend to be really sexist. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #81

Creepiness, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #84

You're right - it's two different issues gollygee Dec 2013 #85

Thank you for this lucid and intelligent post bluestateguy Dec 2013 #101

they are 2 entirely different things in my mind. magical thyme Dec 2013 #106

i also find Socially Awkward types to be mostly respectful to everyone JI7 Dec 2013 #108

Maybe partly because people tend to be simpleminded, and not big on nuance? nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #112

I don't know, and I don't like it. SMC22307 Dec 2013 #114