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Doctor_J

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230. I dislike conservatives of any nominal affiliation

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 02:00 PM

Dec 2013

the more conservative they are, the more I dislike them.

My view of the country is driven by core beliefs (ideology). I believe in health care as a right, clean air and water as a right, quality education as a right, public money for public services, vast cuts to the pentagon AND all of the black ops that are sucking money from the country, honest wages for an honest job, expansion of anti-poverty programs like SS and UE, and so forth. These views are orthogonal to not only all republicans, but a large portion of current Dems - namely the DLC/Turd Way dems. And voting for and supporting DINOs is not helping anything, period. The republicans are completely hopeless. There isn't a single one, anywhere in the US, that I would vote for. The ONLY place for me to fight this battle is within my party.

So please, get your head out of your ass and stop blaming the (increasingly few) people who are actually trying to rescue the country from the conservatives

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In 2003 DLC said "fringes" in politics hung out at Dem Underground, mentioned Skinner by name. [View all] madfloridian Dec 2013 OP

Thank you for this fascinating look back! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2013 #1

"These Democrats who despise us are responsible for the increase in our numbers" madfloridian Dec 2013 #2

Thanks! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2013 #3

Or, to quote a great sign at the Madison protests.... Lifelong Protester Dec 2013 #202

At the time we were the fringe. Egnever Dec 2013 #4

We were the fringe to Bushco, yes. That we were dismissed as "fringe" by our own party winter is coming Dec 2013 #42

Well said. madfloridian Dec 2013 #65

And it was a false meme created by rightie Third Way. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #80

+1. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #73

Well said. n/t cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #84

We were the voices of reason, ALWAYS and we were RIGHT, weren't we? While the liars were spreading sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #129

My sig line from early days at DU: bvar22 Dec 2013 #159

"the people posting on that site are an animated bunch" - wrong! We are real! NRaleighLiberal Dec 2013 #5

I just found you on twitter... madfloridian Dec 2013 #7

howdy! Well, I used to be much more out there political in my tweets... NRaleighLiberal Dec 2013 #45

Congrats on the book! mimi85 Dec 2013 #164

LOL. Well, the traditional Democrats are real, anyway. woo me with science Dec 2013 #33

Speak for yourself! klook Dec 2013 #108

Excellent post. Phlem Dec 2013 #6

That is more like an Either/Or choice. RC Dec 2013 #12

yes but it's lost on others. Phlem Dec 2013 #20

and here is the gem DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #8

Agreed. madfloridian Dec 2013 #9

I forget. Phlem Dec 2013 #24

It was WH spokesperson Robert Gibbs.... madfloridian Dec 2013 #28

Nice find! Totally book marking it. Phlem Dec 2013 #32

He really made a mistake saying that. madfloridian Dec 2013 #40

Well yes and compound that with, Phlem Dec 2013 #46

No, as I remember it, we were wild-eyed latte-drinking Volvo-driving, birkenstock wearing liberals. PassingFair Dec 2013 #39

lol I remember that ad Here's the video from 2003...lol madfloridian Dec 2013 #43

"...latte-drinking Volvo-driving, birkenstock wearing liberals.'' YOHABLO Dec 2013 #48

I always gave my lattes to the Volvo. winter is coming Dec 2013 #204

That's the party leadership's view? Depressing. El_Johns Dec 2013 #41

Gibbs who has never earned a dime outside the world of 'professional politics'.... Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #114

How in the world did you read that phrase Number23 Dec 2013 #51

Because DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #61

I have absolutely no idea what you are even trying to say Number23 Dec 2013 #69

Mention ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #91

That phrase is a false characterization, propagated as fact by those who benefit from the lie. winter is coming Dec 2013 #156

TA DAH!! annabanana Dec 2013 #185

That's all well and good but has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted Number23 Dec 2013 #186

It's very much about what you were posting. winter is coming Dec 2013 #203

What's really intriguing is how some folks will see whatever they want Number23 Dec 2013 #214

"unhinged"? Wow, let it all hang out. Let us know how you really feel about liberals. madfloridian Dec 2013 #223

Point SPECTACULARLY made. And with a dose of martyrdom tossed in for taste. Thanks for that. Number23 Dec 2013 #225

Gibbs is completely full of shit noiretextatique Dec 2013 #207

I'm not saying that I agree with the quote. But it's clear what the quote was saying Number23 Dec 2013 #215

really?!? noiretextatique Jan 2014 #238

That still has nothing to do with the quote or the way that poster twisted it Number23 Jan 2014 #239

i didn't see that...and the comment was really stupid noiretextatique Jan 2014 #240

Regardless, I don't think it's important or interesting enough to drag up a 2 week old thread about Number23 Jan 2014 #241

Elizabeth Warren is NOT RUNNING!!! MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #103

Silly ...Hillary will fight for us against the 1%, banksters, insurance corporations and the MIC. L0oniX Dec 2013 #124

You'll be surprised. joshcryer Dec 2013 #227

more gems DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #10

Gerstein among the worst, as was Powers. madfloridian Dec 2013 #13

Everyone is so focused on presidential politics... Blanks Dec 2013 #152

But 2010 was all our fault! Doctor_J Dec 2013 #11

Great point. They also tried to blame 2000 on the left. I say if you want Christie for president, rhett o rick Dec 2013 #54

That was when I discovered DU malokvale77 Dec 2013 #14

It doesn't describe any liberal I know, either. winter is coming Dec 2013 #15

I raised 2 very liberal children... malokvale77 Dec 2013 #29

I found DU in 2002... madfloridian Dec 2013 #19

Welcome to the light, LOL malokvale77 Dec 2013 #35

And Then OWS Occurred To Clearly Delineate The Enemy - The 1% Versus Everyone Else cantbeserious Dec 2013 #16

The clash will be between the governing class and the activists. From 2004 madfloridian Dec 2013 #64

We had one of these "clashes" in the Arkansas Democratic Primary, 2010. bvar22 Dec 2013 #162

^^^^This^^^^ truebrit71 Dec 2013 #165

True. There's no way to give that pig a makeover. n/t winter is coming Dec 2013 #205

the Truth. Phlem Dec 2013 #212

DLC The Wizard Dec 2013 #17

Good and valid point. madfloridian Dec 2013 #34

Funny how "Turd Way" has the same stink, though. 1000words Dec 2013 #62

Change of letterhead does not equal death JHB Dec 2013 #96

When people become aware of a scam, do con artists turn honest? winter is coming Dec 2013 #160

The capitalists call this "rebranding"........... socialist_n_TN Dec 2013 #210

The DLC is not "dead". bvar22 Dec 2013 #192

Deaniacs were labled confederate flag loving gun nuts... joshcryer Dec 2013 #18

True, he really was the moderate. madfloridian Dec 2013 #22

The one thing Dean did amazing was leverage social media. joshcryer Dec 2013 #66

Most progressives I knew were relieved that Dean was pro-2A... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #118

Most progressives are pragmatic. joshcryer Dec 2013 #226

I agree that Hillary will have to run more "liberal"... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #228

You apparently miss that he was right... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #21

I disagree with so much of your post. madfloridian Dec 2013 #26

+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2013 #67

You deserve a massive plus one! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #82

The DU is home to the anti-Democratic-party left... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #219

the "anti-Democratic-party left"? Very judgemental. madfloridian Dec 2013 #221

" This is what he actually wrote:" Phlem Dec 2013 #37

if you have to announce to the world that you're a member of the "reality-based" community.. frylock Dec 2013 #144

I'm quoting the text of the ACTUAL REFERENCED ARTICLE ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #220

Baloney. I put a link to the whole article. You are purposely being misleading. madfloridian Dec 2013 #222

Actually, you did exactly. Which was good. ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #224

Ooh name calling and everything. Phlem Dec 2013 #232

Name calling? ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2013 #235

yep. Phlem Dec 2013 #236

The Democrats were weak kneed The Wizard Dec 2013 #99

+1 lunasun Dec 2013 #123

+2 Phlem Dec 2013 #233

I dislike these attempts to divide Democrats treestar Dec 2013 #23

Hear that everyone! I don't believe you can walk and chew gum at the same time! Phlem Dec 2013 #27

Doesn't respond to my post fairly treestar Dec 2013 #125

Did we not just elect the guy twice? Even with a host of issues? Phlem Dec 2013 #176

The left is just as guilty of it as the middle... Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #44

What some of the Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #76

+1 treestar Dec 2013 #131

Pure hogwash. And worse. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #83

Drunken's post is reasonable treestar Dec 2013 #132

How is it hogwash? Drunken Irishman Dec 2013 #138

Oh, you two! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #184

Oh, please. The "centrists" actually GET some stuff from the party Doctor_J Dec 2013 #120

Sounds like you dislike centrists more than you dislike Republicans treestar Dec 2013 #133

Horse puckey. n/t truedelphi Dec 2013 #168

I dislike conservatives of any nominal affiliation Doctor_J Dec 2013 #230

anyone adhering to the ideas in paragraph one treestar Dec 2013 #130

So we all should stick together and accept the fact that... polichick Dec 2013 #141

I said it was hard to stick together treestar Dec 2013 #142

My point is we shouldn't stick together under current circumstances... polichick Dec 2013 #143

When the left can't form a coalition, the result is a hard right government & long term disaster stevenleser Dec 2013 #146

That kind of thinking turned the Dems into a second corporate party... polichick Dec 2013 #147

It's not "thinking", it's looking at obvious historical facts. You may not like what history shows stevenleser Dec 2013 #148

Primaries are the place to fight it out... polichick Dec 2013 #149

Your straw man has nothing to do with my point. stevenleser Dec 2013 #151

Your point seems to be that the left should fall in line... polichick Dec 2013 #170

No, that is your straw man. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #171

That's not what you're suggesting here?... polichick Dec 2013 #199

We had a coalition in 2009. We got a hard right government anyway Doctor_J Dec 2013 #172

No, we didn't. We didn't get anything like what the Tea Party here would do in power. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #173

The Teabaggers are about 10% of the electorate. We had more than 50% Doctor_J Dec 2013 #177

The far right is always a small slice thats why it takes a fractured left for them to take power. stevenleser Dec 2013 #178

I think you're inaccurate in your assumption that the Democratic Party is synonymous with the Left. Maedhros Dec 2013 #187

The Tea Party doesn't think John McCain is right wing either. But he is. stevenleser Dec 2013 #189

"Left" is not as subjective as you make it out to be. Maedhros Dec 2013 #193

And its not as narrow as you suggest it is. All of those things are common to the dreaded 3rd wayers stevenleser Dec 2013 #194

"The Democratic Party is dominated by entrenched interests that see 'the Left' as a problem" winter is coming Dec 2013 #208

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #25

Thank you, WillyT madfloridian Dec 2013 #58

to this day, Dean is awesome, but he's not some uber liberal. he's a centrist with brass stones who dionysus Dec 2013 #30

+1 Still a Deniac. nt Live and Learn Dec 2013 #68

He's a damned site more liberal than the President is... truebrit71 Dec 2013 #166

yeah, but he's not as cool as this Dean; dionysus Dec 2013 #237

Dean's message was "fiery"? And also "elitist, weak-kneed, brain-dead"? winter is coming Dec 2013 #31

Oh how I remember those dark days. K&R n/t myrna minx Dec 2013 #36

There were some dark times, weren't there? madfloridian Dec 2013 #38

What makes folks believe these "dark days" have left? LovingA2andMI Dec 2013 #47

and today we see this; M_A Dec 2013 #213

Ah, good times geomon666 Dec 2013 #49

K&R Their primary goal is to get us to shut up. woo me with science Dec 2013 #50

That's why we see all the paid operators here. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #86

How to tell the difference, we've got "paid operators" from every faction here. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #90

No we don't. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #92

If you don't think the Koch Bros. money hasn't been spread out equally... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #98

You believe the Kochs and others would Enthusiast Dec 2013 #100

It's not the "position" they're arguing. It's the division they're sowing. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #101

How insulting. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #102

I kinda figure you were done with your first insult to other DU'ers..."paid operators"? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #104

You don't think there are "paid operators" here? Scuba Dec 2013 #110

Obviously, reading isn't fundamental in your case. Re-read my post. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #136

Ahhhh, I see. Pholus Dec 2013 #112

What kind of division is sewn in multi cultural Party by folks who say Latin America Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #115

I stood by the statement then, as I do now. Next question? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #137

Wha-a-t! ??? n/t truedelphi Dec 2013 #181

You're hilarious. Scuba Dec 2013 #105

Why thank you. I'm here all week. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #107

Anyone who disagrees with me is a "paid operator." treestar Dec 2013 #135

+10000. They're small, but loud, and overrepresented on the internet, especially DU. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #139

So y'all agree we need to raise taxes on the rich to pre-Reagan levels, exit costly trade agreements grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #154

You don't have a fuckin' party, or did you forget the thread you're posting on? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #158

Now that's a divisive statement treestar Dec 2013 #200

Do you agree with any of those points, and which ones? grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #216

This was a head scratcher pintobean Dec 2013 #190

The Third party Alert Task Force is in full effect today: Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #197

That made me laugh. pintobean Dec 2013 #198

I feel sorry for that one. Must be hell to rule an internet site, and still have no real world.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #201

Merry Christmas Tarheel_Dem pintobean Dec 2013 #209

Exactly. But we're all supposed to pretend that's not what's happening here Number23 Dec 2013 #188

Shut up...AND VOTE Doctor_J Dec 2013 #122

That's 10 years ago.................... George II Dec 2013 #52

What goes around comes around... madfloridian Dec 2013 #53

And its gotten worse since The Great Appeaser took office Doctor_J Dec 2013 #121

A lot of folks were chased off this site for calling attention to the DLC 1000words Dec 2013 #55

Growth and change... madfloridian Dec 2013 #57

Yes I'm sure they will try to purge us liberals when the 2014 elections come around. liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #59

kick and recommend. When madfloridian starts typing... solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #56

..... madfloridian Dec 2013 #60

Green for victory!!... SidDithers Dec 2013 #111

Don't you mean "Red Green"? L0oniX Dec 2013 #128

the corporatist think they're fighting the elite! the purgers think they're protecting the Party MisterP Dec 2013 #63

Yer damn skippy! progressoid Dec 2013 #70

The party has devoted a LOT of time and effort to sucking up to the 1%... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #71

well of course iamthebandfanman Dec 2013 #72

To them Notafraidtoo Dec 2013 #74

K&R.... daleanime Dec 2013 #75

Third Way believes in making the Democratic Party into Enthusiast Dec 2013 #77

+1 Scuba Dec 2013 #106

The Iraq war. think Dec 2013 #78

Recommended X 1000! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #79

Isn't that about the time the sensible woodchucks showed up? hootinholler Dec 2013 #81

Shhh madfloridian Dec 2013 #87

Ooohhhhh I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok! hootinholler Dec 2013 #94

lol madfloridian Dec 2013 #116

K&R Solly Mack Dec 2013 #85

".. disproportionately magnifying the voices of the activist groups with the loudest, most combative pampango Dec 2013 #88

K&R emsimon33 Dec 2013 #89

Right now the real fringe has way too much power and money. ananda Dec 2013 #93

I'm sure . . . another_liberal Dec 2013 #95

K&R Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #97

Great thread, with many replies illustrating the Turd Way's presence here. Scuba Dec 2013 #109

Totally. They've almost become cariacatures of themselves. marmar Dec 2013 #117

Yep. nt antigop Dec 2013 #126

Kucinich 2004!...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #113

Interesting article, even more interesting reactions. stevenleser Dec 2013 #119

great thread, mad! Thanks. nt antigop Dec 2013 #127

DU prospered, FR foundered. Kudos to DU! . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #134

Echoes are great nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #169

Alexa is bogus; it depends on people dumb enough to install their toolbar Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #182

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Kick & Rec FloriTexan Dec 2013 #140

Recommend. nt Zorra Dec 2013 #145

Who is Randolph Court and why are we giving any weight to what he wrote a decade ago? grantcart Dec 2013 #150

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Between the revisionsism of who and what Howard Dean was (a STAUNCH moderate Number23 Dec 2013 #191

There is no need to answer sometimes. madfloridian Dec 2013 #195

If Elizabeth Warren does run, her issues will be very different from Dean's. Number23 Dec 2013 #196

He's been replaced by Jon Cowan and Jim Kessler madfloridian Dec 2013 #155

I would ask the same question about Gerstein Doctor_J Dec 2013 #174

Howard who? Kurovski Dec 2013 #157

Ten years later, DU is still alive and kicking rocktivity Dec 2013 #161

It was not enough DonCoquixote Dec 2013 #163

Neo Democrats Have Helped Get Us In This Mess colsohlibgal Dec 2013 #167

But the officials in Israel and AIPAC love him n/t truedelphi Dec 2013 #183

"Unfortunately for them......" DFW Dec 2013 #175

"The Deaniacs didn't die out with the end of Howard's candidacy." madfloridian Dec 2013 #229

"Much of what they post...would not be appropriate to repeat here." robertpaulsen Dec 2013 #179

Yeah, they mean posts like, "We need health care, not private insurance" Doctor_J Dec 2013 #231

A failed attempt to dismiss anything left of Reagan DirkGently Dec 2013 #180

DU was a threat, that is why the "Hordes of turd wayers" we see now PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #211

"a third of a third" MisterP Dec 2013 #217

K&R great post! eom TransitJohn Dec 2013 #218

The Internet has/is enhancing democracy and I believe contibuting to voter turnout. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #234