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zeemike

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63. Well let me explain something to you if I may.

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 02:48 PM

Dec 2013

I don't give a fuck what Snowden's politics were then or are now...I judge him by what he did, which was to tell us we were in a surveillance state the equals of which do not exist in history...and he gets credit for that no matter what his politics are...and that is what is fair.
And I would give Rush limpballs the same credit if he were to do something as important as that.

I am not one who will fall for that false dichotomy of with us or against us...that is the basic tactic of right wingers to get people to act against their own interist...like "liberals are for Social Security so you have to be against it or we will start calling you a commie liberal"

And we are seeing this same thing trying to be used here at DU...but frankly it is not working all that well...at least not on me.

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Edward Snowden: 'I Already Won'-�If I defected at all, I defected from the government to the public� [View all] kpete Dec 2013 OP

"The NSA�s business is �information dominance,� the use of other people�s secrets to shape events." Pholus Dec 2013 #1

�I am still working for BAH right now." ucrdem Dec 2013 #2

Thank you, Edward Snowden. woo me with science Dec 2013 #3

As I recall this person was a private contractor for the NSA. gordianot Dec 2013 #4

Booz Allen Hamilton. ucrdem Dec 2013 #17

His point stands. The NSA isn't a worthy Aerows Dec 2013 #68

Snowden deserves a Nobel Peace Prize. Fuddnik Dec 2013 #5

yep Fuddnik kpete Dec 2013 #6

+1 cantbeserious Dec 2013 #8

+1. jsr Dec 2013 #46

agreed, 100 percent.... mike_c Dec 2013 #72

I'm able to appreciate Snowden while disliking him TekGryphon Dec 2013 #7

What's your basis for that being his last straw? Broward Dec 2013 #10

The fact that he was all gung-ho about national security while... TekGryphon Dec 2013 #14

Making up shit. former9thward Dec 2013 #39

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #40

Your garbage means has nothing to back up your claims. former9thward Dec 2013 #47

3 seconds on Google would get you.. TekGryphon Dec 2013 #50

Unlike your google my google is rational. former9thward Dec 2013 #59

All signs points to him being a patriot. zeemike Dec 2013 #12

My signs are hearsay? Prove it. TekGryphon Dec 2013 #13

No no, that is not how it works. zeemike Dec 2013 #20

Oh, it's easy for me. TekGryphon Dec 2013 #35

Snowden started work as a contractor for the NSA in 2009 RC Dec 2013 #41

And his transcripts show that: TekGryphon Dec 2013 #45

I do not understand how you can equate exposing unconstitutional wrong doing of the NSA with Glen Beck RC Dec 2013 #51

He blew the whistle for one reason: TekGryphon Dec 2013 #52

Snowden said he blew the whistle because our President is Black? RC Dec 2013 #56

So what do you want done? Ignore the Constitutional violations because he is a racist? rhett o rick Dec 2013 #74

YOU are the one making the logical leap that it's *BECAUSE* "we have a black president" yodermon Dec 2013 #65

Or a patsy, or an asset, ucrdem Dec 2013 #21

And you can prove this how? zeemike Dec 2013 #22

Call it due process then. ucrdem Dec 2013 #29

yes like all the accused commies were chomping at the bit zeemike Dec 2013 #36

Good to know that Tea Party loons are Patriots according to you. TekGryphon Dec 2013 #38

Well let me explain something to you if I may. zeemike Dec 2013 #63

How do you know that poster in your link is Snowden? riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #66

Oh how nice of him to give us that chance! treestar Dec 2013 #9

Everything was going along fine with that process before Snowden came along, wasn't it! gtar100 Dec 2013 #27

He could have used the whistleblower protection act treestar Dec 2013 #28

Hldhave ended up in Gitmo mindwalker_i Dec 2013 #42

Baloney treestar Dec 2013 #62

On paper, yes those options were available. But I have seen no evidence that those laws have been gtar100 Dec 2013 #58

I have little doubt he'd have been tried in federal court treestar Dec 2013 #64

are you freaking kidding? grasswire Dec 2013 #30

You've constructed a strange world in your head treestar Dec 2013 #33

"The government is not reading your email" former9thward Dec 2013 #43

And whose side are you on in this class war? You seem to worship the authoritarian rhett o rick Dec 2013 #75

He won in that he was able to give us information they didn't want us to have. As far as us having liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #11

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #15

"I am not trying to bring down the NSA..." ProSense Dec 2013 #16

Snowden is not referring to a personal win but a win for the cause. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #23

He said ProSense Dec 2013 #25

You're taking the "I" word too literally and the last paragraph Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #31

No, I think you want this to be another gem from Snowden, but ProSense Dec 2013 #44

You took the "I already won" out of context, if you include the rest of the paragraph, Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #48

It's very creepy and pure Snowden.. mahalo Cha Dec 2013 #70

Of course you side with the authoritarians state of Clapper and Alexander, who are not DEMOCRATS. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #76

K&R'd! snot Dec 2013 #18

A rolling stone gathers no moss PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #19

The world won. Thanks to Snowden. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #24

Hero, patriot, defender of the Constitution. Thank you Edward Snowden. Scuba Dec 2013 #26

He's akin to the Chinese man in Tienamin Square grasswire Dec 2013 #34

I always thought that inevitable stupidicus Dec 2013 #32

merry xmas kpete! ucrdem Dec 2013 #37

ucrdem kpete Dec 2013 #53

The Whistle Blowers are the protectors of our Democracy! bvar22 Dec 2013 #49

Whole lotta "I" and "me" in all that. MADem Dec 2013 #54

I noticed that. Narcissism is amusing. nt politichew Dec 2013 #57

He was asked "to reflect at length on the roots and repercussions of his choice." ronnie624 Dec 2013 #79

Not "small and irrelevant"--it's precisely the point. MADem Dec 2013 #80

That KGB asset should have the decency to stay out of the media during our nation's holidays. nt politichew Dec 2013 #55

Yes, otherwise it might be taken as a "War on the Holidays." Pholus Dec 2013 #60

Now Snowden is contributing to the war on Christmas? ! riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #67

:) I know, right? nt Pholus Dec 2013 #69

Eddie needed a fix. nm Cha Dec 2013 #71

And you stand with Booz-Allen against those that dare to desire freedom and liberty. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #77

it's my nation too... mike_c Dec 2013 #73

�All I wanted was for the public to be able to have a say in how they are governed,� he said. gulliver Dec 2013 #61

Geez...why didn't he go to his hero, Rand Paul, on the Senate Intel Committee? MADem Dec 2013 #81

k&r idwiyo Dec 2013 #78