How did "creeps" and socially awkward men become conflated?

[DanTex]

90. Thanks for getting that I get it.

Like I said in the OP, I've been in a few locker rooms and such, and some of it is really not pretty. Part of it is probably due to the age -- teens and early 20s -- but still. It makes some of the sexism discussions here on DU seem quaint. I mean here we are talking about how many seconds you can look at a woman's legs when she walks by, meanwhile in locker rooms and bars and frat houses everywhere there are men screaming about all the b---s they are going to be f----g and how if you really want to get laid you have to stop thinking of girls as people, and so on. That Steubenville guy is far from the first person to laugh about a woman being raped. My honest reaction when I watched that video was to be pleasantly surprised that some of the other guys in the room were objecting to what he said.

Anyway, that was a while ago, and I don't run in "high testosterone" circles these days, so I have no idea if those same people are as bad as they used to be. In their defense, not all of the guys on sports teams were misogynists, a lot of them were just going along. I hope they've all grown up and become decent people. But one thing I'm pretty sure of is the theory that "nice introverted guys" are actually secretly just as sexist as the outright jerks is false.