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jollyreaper2112

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20. I don't absolve anyone
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 03:03 PM
Dec 2013

I sympathize with the side that's been wronged. In a system where the game's been rigged, my sympathies are with the underdog. But this doesn't mean that there can't be bad behavior from the underdog. Men can be real assholes. They can take advantage of social position and disparate income levels to really stick it to their ex-wives. But just because some men can be assholes, because some of the most visible cases that get media attention involve men being assholes, this doesn't mean women aren't also capable of being assholes. We have the case of the woman murdering her husband by shoving him off a cliff. Of course, we'll have many more cases of men murdering their wives. It's only natural for the asshole quotient to not reach parity in an unequal system.

As far as these discussions go, let's look at it like a judge at a custody hearing. The first question to be asked is whether both parents are on the same page, wanting what's best for the kids. Doesn't matter if they disagree on what's best, the important thing is that they want what's best. Hearts in the right place. We can have a reasonable talk. But if one parent wants to use the kids as a weapon against the other, then whatever that person has to say doesn't really have much bearing, now does it?

Strong advocates of a given point of view make easy targets. If you are also a fun target, then you will get trolled mercilessly. But it does become clear when there's no effort to resolve anything, when the topic is sheer trollbaiting.

I'm not a fan of MRA's. I've known some men who have gotten screwed in divorces but that doesn't mean I'm going to say all women are evil anymore than a Nigerian trying to scam me online means the whole country is full of crooks. MRA's are in that dangerous, slippery slope where reasonable people who have been legitimately wronged can hear a fellow sufferer in the propaganda and then get swept along to some very wrongheaded conclusions. Seductive wrongness is dangerous. I've also seen feminists who have gotten screwed in life and have turned a real issue into a platform for personal psychodrama. It's not really helpful. Am I saying all feminists are this way? No.

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Great, comparing feminist discussion of issues to evangelists scoring points and doctrinal purity boston bean Dec 2013 #1
It's a pretty apt comparison in general The Straight Story Dec 2013 #2
I've read most threads and what you write boston bean Dec 2013 #3
"calling for more intelligent and less inflammatory discussions" from the man with the door issue on seabeyond Dec 2013 #5
+1. [nt] Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #33
ah, excellent jollyreaper2112 Dec 2013 #14
A perfect post. Bonobo Dec 2013 #4
need an enemy? cause i needed old to start an Op dissing me and all the voices to diss me as i am seabeyond Dec 2013 #6
You were just going along minding your own business Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #8
no. bam an OP started to attack our group and me personally. and a pile on of insulting, seabeyond Dec 2013 #9
you were never named jollyreaper2112 Dec 2013 #15
yes. i was seabeyond Dec 2013 #16
Did you see this, Sea? gollygee Dec 2013 #26
ya. did you see this one? seabeyond Dec 2013 #29
That's not my post jollyreaper2112 Dec 2013 #27
why are you addressing me. i was staying in context, read reply to bonobo. then capt... seabeyond Dec 2013 #31
ok jollyreaper2112 Dec 2013 #32
Nope, you get to be jumped by a very familiar-looking series of usernames. Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #34
WRONG. Your first sentence is incorrect, WRONG! boston bean Dec 2013 #17
er jollyreaper2112 Dec 2013 #25
which brings me to another point per the Op. dont you have at least SOME responsibility in seabeyond Dec 2013 #10
jolly, when i watch people able to be ugly against a few and then see an OP here calling out the seabeyond Dec 2013 #7
I don't absolve anyone jollyreaper2112 Dec 2013 #20
i am not an imbecile. i have never promoted all women are light, all men evil. further seabeyond Dec 2013 #22
Yesterday's fiasco was started to bash skulls. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #11
K&R! Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #12
This is how "special interest" evangelism "fails" kcr Dec 2013 #13
There's a school of thought that says "If I bust this guy's skull, I change that guy's mind." Iggo Dec 2013 #18
skull-busting jollyreaper2112 Dec 2013 #23
Here's how it looks from my side gollygee Dec 2013 #19
Yes. This is exactly it. kcr Dec 2013 #24
What can happen is you can get mad treestar Dec 2013 #21
This is an excellent question for each of us to ask ourselves. Kurovski Dec 2013 #28
I'm not sure it's about either changing minds or busting skulls. rrneck Dec 2013 #30
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