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36. Well if you understand male gaze doesn't apply to all men

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 03:18 PM

Dec 2013

And the feminists who posted it know it doesn't apply to all men, then where's the big deal?

Male gaze is a behavior associated with men because of millennia of patriarchal societies and treating women as men's property and as objects to be enjoyed by heterosexual men. Of course it doesn't apply to every man, but it's institutional and culturally ingrained that most people accept it without a second thought.

No one here is under the impression that all men are guilty of this or are malevolent in their behavior. This is just raising awareness of something that happens and pointing out how it contributes to objectifying and repressing not just women but anyone who doesn't meet the standards of "manliness." That's it.

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I'm a "DU Man"...Have I been attacked, or not? [View all] Ken Burch Dec 2013 OP

being too much like Jimmy Carter Schema Thing Dec 2013 #1

But I haven't tried to negotiate Middle East peace in weeks now. Ken Burch Dec 2013 #87

I'm feeling very un-attacked, personally. arcane1 Dec 2013 #2

Hmmm... pipi_k Dec 2013 #33

yeah hfojvt Dec 2013 #37

My wife once threw a baggie of bean sprouts at me...but that had nothing to do with DU. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #3

Seems like it's just for being men... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #4

I've been here a long time and what I've seen from the DU men, is great support for the women of the shraby Dec 2013 #5

DU men aren't under attack. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #6

Exactly how do you define "manhood?" Orrex Dec 2013 #13

Not being a sexist rape culture enabler and acknowledging my privilege as a cis straight white male. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #15

How exactly do you define "manhood" outside of a string of catch-phrases? Orrex Dec 2013 #34

How is that difficult to understand? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #39

It's less simple than you seem to think. Orrex Dec 2013 #45

To the knight in shining armor it is simple Major Nikon Dec 2013 #53

Really, the white knight nonsense? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #56

Because your definition of "manhood" speaks for itself Major Nikon Dec 2013 #66

So what's yours? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #68

I doubt you'd be interested Major Nikon Dec 2013 #72

Ah, right, I'm just doing this to impress the feminist ladies. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #73

I thought CIS meant CompuServe Information Services... icymist Dec 2013 #62

Right from the MRA playbook intaglio Dec 2013 #83

Ah, so now I'm an MRA. Whatever. Orrex Dec 2013 #86

No you were not called an MRA intaglio Dec 2013 #105

Those things are debated on DU like evolution is "debated" in Texas textbooks Scootaloo Dec 2013 #90

My father gave me a poem at my Bar Mitzvah many moons ago (492 to be exact). Half-Century Man Dec 2013 #44

This way... madinmaryland Dec 2013 #22

Mick Jagger does. hfojvt Dec 2013 #32

"Satisfaction" has been described as a major consciousness-raising song... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #113

how exactly does a "male gaze" NOT apply to ALL men? hfojvt Dec 2013 #31

Well if you understand male gaze doesn't apply to all men NuclearDem Dec 2013 #36

all I have to do then hfojvt Dec 2013 #46

And here I thought it was looking too long AKA staring. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 #88

Staring and ogling are a byproduct of that NuclearDem Dec 2013 #100

Or more than likely it's biological Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 #101

Less biological and more societal and cultural. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #102

Are you a man? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 #107

Parents, friends, TV, school, how is that all not societal programming? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #108

Same way an Italian can cook Chinese food. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #41

There's a small group of men that have been emboldened by the relaxed standards in GD. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #7

And there's an increasingly large group of people sick of the constant shit-slinging. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #18

feminists get accused of being man-haters all the time here, and juries vote to 'keep' in virtually geek tragedy Dec 2013 #20

So, are internet discussions full of insecure women who are likewise "marking their territory?" Orrex Dec 2013 #48

Quite frankly, I am not qualified to assess the motives of women in their geek tragedy Dec 2013 #51

Murkier and murkier Orrex Dec 2013 #57

I do not view things while pretending that male privilege does not exist. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #63

I notice that you didn't address any of my points. Orrex Dec 2013 #69

I did but the point apparently did not get through. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #71

Well, that's one way to spin it. Orrex Dec 2013 #74

Thank you. I don't know how much clearer you could have stated that very simple concept smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #120

Isn't it possible that sometimes men aren't "uncomfortable", but simply don't agree... Silent3 Dec 2013 #60

This dynamic plays out where there is a privileged group-- geek tragedy Dec 2013 #67

I haven't seen that PSA yet myself, so my comments are more generic. Silent3 Dec 2013 #75

well, sure, just because a woman and a man disagree doesn't make geek tragedy Dec 2013 #77

While "actually and actively listening" is of course good, that doesn't mean... Silent3 Dec 2013 #79

How that disagreement is expressed matters. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #81

I made no comments about anyone being "victims" of anything. Silent3 Dec 2013 #84

We're done here. Your grievance is women who use claims of privilege as a means geek tragedy Dec 2013 #85

Thank you for perfectly exemplifying the quick-categorize-then-dismiss style of argumentation. Silent3 Dec 2013 #97

Only as much as the way what they're disagreeing with is expressed. beevul Dec 2013 #104

"IS NOT WELCOME" sums up the problems I have with discussing feminism & male I.D. Issues. nt Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #114

The minute you've walked a mile in 4-inch spiked heels through a daily gauntlet of Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #29

Hyperbole much? DragonBorn Dec 2013 #47

You seem to be operating under the assumption that since everyone has an opinion, Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #70

You have my permission to wear different shoes. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #49

Best response yet NoOneMan Dec 2013 #59

Why would you wear those shoes? grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #52

My only option is to take it until I can get away? SMC22307 Dec 2013 #103

This... lame54 Dec 2013 #8

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I know who the ugly one is. Whisp Dec 2013 #17

I know I ain't being attacked. Iggo Dec 2013 #9

I don't have the energy to attack any dudes. SOteric Dec 2013 #10

some apparently think we are not men hfojvt Dec 2013 #12

You didn't let me down! WinkyDink Dec 2013 #112

anytime Bruce hfojvt Dec 2013 #116

Hee! I'm more Patti than Bruce! And NO, it was not a put-down~! WinkyDink Dec 2013 #117

but everyone is called Bruce hfojvt Dec 2013 #118

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Can't get too worked up whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #16

From what I know of you, you have not been attacked or even mildly criticized by geek tragedy Dec 2013 #19

Have we been accused of "white knighting" on DU yet? Scootaloo Dec 2013 #21

Oh, I'm sure in PMs I get called that and worse. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #24

Sure have. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #80

I dunno, maybe someone is staring at you. But generally, men are unable to be attacked. The Straight Story Dec 2013 #23

Jesus, not this crap again. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #25

The League of Men Oppressed by Imaginary Feminists., nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #28

Agreed Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 #89

I am going to bet you can't produce a single post from a DU feminist advising men: geek tragedy Dec 2013 #26

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here's another handy list of don'ts hfojvt Dec 2013 #38

stop mansplaining lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #42

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That can get smelly. Squinch Dec 2013 #98

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DU is all words. rrneck Dec 2013 #27

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Apparently if you're not a creep, they aren't all simultaneously talking at *you*. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #40

Creep isn't a gendered word Tien1985 Dec 2013 #65

Depends if you observed women fox an undetermined amount of time... Lost_Count Dec 2013 #50

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I really don't understand. I thought women dressed sexy in order to get us to look at them. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #55

Recently, all men have been characterized as raging if a women chooses not to sleep with them NoOneMan Dec 2013 #58

My hair is a bird. klook Dec 2013 #64

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I think it's because there are criminals in the world, as we know. Some of them sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #92

your post is totally off point creating something that is not. but, that is a norm. seabeyond Dec 2013 #93

Please do not tell me what I experienced right here on DU. Two people told me that sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #95

whatever sabrina. i did not even make it past your title. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #96

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Can we start moving these posts into the Gender and Orientation groups? Aerows Dec 2013 #110

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Depends. Do you WANT to be attacked, wink, wink, nudge, nudge? WinkyDink Dec 2013 #111