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Orrex

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86. Ah, so now I'm an MRA. Whatever.

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 07:22 PM

Dec 2013

Asking for a definition doesn't mean mindless acceptance of any answer you get.

FWIW, your answer is better because it's concrete and straightforward and doesn't hang on a bunch of hotly contested buzzwords.

It's also a quite reasonable suggestion, on par with asking that people not play the persecuted victim whenever someone doesn't give in to their demands, much like a spoiled six year old will do.

I'm as much an MRA as you are a Dworkinite, so maybe we can dispense with the clumsy attempts at insult.

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I'm a "DU Man"...Have I been attacked, or not? [View all] Ken Burch Dec 2013 OP

being too much like Jimmy Carter Schema Thing Dec 2013 #1

But I haven't tried to negotiate Middle East peace in weeks now. Ken Burch Dec 2013 #87

I'm feeling very un-attacked, personally. arcane1 Dec 2013 #2

Hmmm... pipi_k Dec 2013 #33

yeah hfojvt Dec 2013 #37

My wife once threw a baggie of bean sprouts at me...but that had nothing to do with DU. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #3

Seems like it's just for being men... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #4

I've been here a long time and what I've seen from the DU men, is great support for the women of the shraby Dec 2013 #5

DU men aren't under attack. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #6

Exactly how do you define "manhood?" Orrex Dec 2013 #13

Not being a sexist rape culture enabler and acknowledging my privilege as a cis straight white male. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #15

How exactly do you define "manhood" outside of a string of catch-phrases? Orrex Dec 2013 #34

How is that difficult to understand? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #39

It's less simple than you seem to think. Orrex Dec 2013 #45

To the knight in shining armor it is simple Major Nikon Dec 2013 #53

Really, the white knight nonsense? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #56

Because your definition of "manhood" speaks for itself Major Nikon Dec 2013 #66

So what's yours? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #68

I doubt you'd be interested Major Nikon Dec 2013 #72

Ah, right, I'm just doing this to impress the feminist ladies. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #73

I thought CIS meant CompuServe Information Services... icymist Dec 2013 #62

Right from the MRA playbook intaglio Dec 2013 #83

Ah, so now I'm an MRA. Whatever. Orrex Dec 2013 #86

No you were not called an MRA intaglio Dec 2013 #105

Those things are debated on DU like evolution is "debated" in Texas textbooks Scootaloo Dec 2013 #90

My father gave me a poem at my Bar Mitzvah many moons ago (492 to be exact). Half-Century Man Dec 2013 #44

This way... madinmaryland Dec 2013 #22

Mick Jagger does. hfojvt Dec 2013 #32

"Satisfaction" has been described as a major consciousness-raising song... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #113

how exactly does a "male gaze" NOT apply to ALL men? hfojvt Dec 2013 #31

Well if you understand male gaze doesn't apply to all men NuclearDem Dec 2013 #36

all I have to do then hfojvt Dec 2013 #46

And here I thought it was looking too long AKA staring. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 #88

Staring and ogling are a byproduct of that NuclearDem Dec 2013 #100

Or more than likely it's biological Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 #101

Less biological and more societal and cultural. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #102

Are you a man? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 #107

Parents, friends, TV, school, how is that all not societal programming? NuclearDem Dec 2013 #108

Same way an Italian can cook Chinese food. nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #41

There's a small group of men that have been emboldened by the relaxed standards in GD. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #7

And there's an increasingly large group of people sick of the constant shit-slinging. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #18

feminists get accused of being man-haters all the time here, and juries vote to 'keep' in virtually geek tragedy Dec 2013 #20

So, are internet discussions full of insecure women who are likewise "marking their territory?" Orrex Dec 2013 #48

Quite frankly, I am not qualified to assess the motives of women in their geek tragedy Dec 2013 #51

Murkier and murkier Orrex Dec 2013 #57

I do not view things while pretending that male privilege does not exist. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #63

I notice that you didn't address any of my points. Orrex Dec 2013 #69

I did but the point apparently did not get through. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #71

Well, that's one way to spin it. Orrex Dec 2013 #74

Thank you. I don't know how much clearer you could have stated that very simple concept smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #120

Isn't it possible that sometimes men aren't "uncomfortable", but simply don't agree... Silent3 Dec 2013 #60

This dynamic plays out where there is a privileged group-- geek tragedy Dec 2013 #67

I haven't seen that PSA yet myself, so my comments are more generic. Silent3 Dec 2013 #75

well, sure, just because a woman and a man disagree doesn't make geek tragedy Dec 2013 #77

While "actually and actively listening" is of course good, that doesn't mean... Silent3 Dec 2013 #79

How that disagreement is expressed matters. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #81

I made no comments about anyone being "victims" of anything. Silent3 Dec 2013 #84

We're done here. Your grievance is women who use claims of privilege as a means geek tragedy Dec 2013 #85

Thank you for perfectly exemplifying the quick-categorize-then-dismiss style of argumentation. Silent3 Dec 2013 #97

Only as much as the way what they're disagreeing with is expressed. beevul Dec 2013 #104

"IS NOT WELCOME" sums up the problems I have with discussing feminism & male I.D. Issues. nt Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #114

The minute you've walked a mile in 4-inch spiked heels through a daily gauntlet of Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #29

Hyperbole much? DragonBorn Dec 2013 #47

You seem to be operating under the assumption that since everyone has an opinion, Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #70

You have my permission to wear different shoes. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #49

Best response yet NoOneMan Dec 2013 #59

Why would you wear those shoes? grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #52

My only option is to take it until I can get away? SMC22307 Dec 2013 #103

This... lame54 Dec 2013 #8

What are these guys' DU user names? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #11

I know who the ugly one is. Whisp Dec 2013 #17

I know I ain't being attacked. Iggo Dec 2013 #9

I don't have the energy to attack any dudes. SOteric Dec 2013 #10

some apparently think we are not men hfojvt Dec 2013 #12

You didn't let me down! WinkyDink Dec 2013 #112

anytime Bruce hfojvt Dec 2013 #116

Hee! I'm more Patti than Bruce! And NO, it was not a put-down~! WinkyDink Dec 2013 #117

but everyone is called Bruce hfojvt Dec 2013 #118

No, but we can get Skittles on the case if need be! demmiblue Dec 2013 #14

I hate whiners Skittles Dec 2013 #106

Can't get too worked up whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #16

From what I know of you, you have not been attacked or even mildly criticized by geek tragedy Dec 2013 #19

Have we been accused of "white knighting" on DU yet? Scootaloo Dec 2013 #21

Oh, I'm sure in PMs I get called that and worse. geek tragedy Dec 2013 #24

Sure have. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #80

I dunno, maybe someone is staring at you. But generally, men are unable to be attacked. The Straight Story Dec 2013 #23

Jesus, not this crap again. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #25

The League of Men Oppressed by Imaginary Feminists., nt geek tragedy Dec 2013 #28

Agreed Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2013 #89

I am going to bet you can't produce a single post from a DU feminist advising men: geek tragedy Dec 2013 #26

It's the it happened once, therefore it must happen all the time theory. Glassunion Dec 2013 #35

here's another handy list of don'ts hfojvt Dec 2013 #38

stop mansplaining lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #42

Sounds like something Faux Knews would publish... seattledo Dec 2013 #43

You're right about one thing. Iggo Dec 2013 #61

Hey, TSS! LOOK! A beaten dead horse is holding a door open for you! Squinch Dec 2013 #78

It's dead? Damn, it just helped me change a tire too. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #82

That can get smelly. Squinch Dec 2013 #98

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That's a really bad list MrScorpio Dec 2013 #109

DU is all words. rrneck Dec 2013 #27

You didn't miss anything... hughee99 Dec 2013 #30

Apparently if you're not a creep, they aren't all simultaneously talking at *you*. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #40

Creep isn't a gendered word Tien1985 Dec 2013 #65

Depends if you observed women fox an undetermined amount of time... Lost_Count Dec 2013 #50

I love these threads. I know right off who to put on Ignore. nt valerief Dec 2013 #54

I really don't understand. I thought women dressed sexy in order to get us to look at them. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #55

Recently, all men have been characterized as raging if a women chooses not to sleep with them NoOneMan Dec 2013 #58

My hair is a bird. klook Dec 2013 #64

You didn't notice us outside your kitchen window with the pitchforks? Squinch Dec 2013 #76

I think it's because there are criminals in the world, as we know. Some of them sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #92

your post is totally off point creating something that is not. but, that is a norm. seabeyond Dec 2013 #93

Please do not tell me what I experienced right here on DU. Two people told me that sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #95

whatever sabrina. i did not even make it past your title. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #96

I found your posts a refreshing and sensible change Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2013 #99

+1! Sabrina's one of the best. pacalo Dec 2013 #119

I feel quite certain I haven't attacked you BainsBane Dec 2013 #94

Can we start moving these posts into the Gender and Orientation groups? Aerows Dec 2013 #110

Jeez. And I thought it was just guns & the Mid East. Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #115

Depends. Do you WANT to be attacked, wink, wink, nudge, nudge? WinkyDink Dec 2013 #111