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freshwest

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20. Only see one reason why Obama wouldn't allow this out now...
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:47 PM
Dec 2013

To prevent racist, christian nationalist murders of innocent Arabs, Muslims and anyone the ignoratti see as them, as they can't or don't care about who was really up to no good on 9/11.

I remember not only the bullying and the attacks, but the outright murders of so-called Muslim terrorists. I don't want to see that happen again.

I don't see why, even if this is alleged to be the most liberating and game changing news release in history, that a pogrom, not of Jews but Muslims, would fail to take place in this country as the propagandists found a new scapegoat to get ratings. Let's not kid ourselves and think information will be used benignly or to enlighten and bring out the best in people.

The media has to power to incite a lynch mob, and has used it repeatedly. Many of us were never called out for anything more than our liberal minds,. The racism promoted, the vilification, denigration and disenfranchisement of millions of people in non-white ethnic groups is a real concern.

It would be naive to not take this into account and spinning a broad smear, or inventing more delicious fiction, as the media will do to Obama for not releasing this, doesn't make it any more true than other smears. Obama is responsible for the lives of millions as CinC. Not just the 'guilty' would be affected, but many innocents. One must think big picture.

IMHO, there is something to this. I am biased by my intense distrust for the Shrub and his running buddies, as I know their world view and PNAC. But that vision has failed to materialize as Obama resisted it.

As much as I would love to feel the vindication of my suspicions of what I consider to be vile cabal of repukes and their international allies, I am not willing to have the blood of American Muslims and people of color on my hands to justify my angst.

I believe American Muslims would not want this put out on hate radio 24/7 and on Faux, etc. That doesn't mean they want to protect the Saudis or approved of 9/11. Far from it. The luxury of those of us who would not affected by a repeat of the hate-filled atmosphere from those days in the BushCo era, is not something they can count upon. I'm thinking of them.

IDK when or how this can be released to the public. Just because DUers most assuredly would never bully or shoot Muslims after the WTC events, doesn't mean this information would not be used by shameless politic ans in the private and public sectors.

PBO and others got un redacted copies long, long ago. No doubt it effected his policy. Note some of the players given so much homage in the BushCo era are growling about the change. The reason is a different president at the helm. They know if they want to make mischief, they're on their own.

And by private, I mean politic ans such as Palin, Hannity, O'Reilly, Rush, Beck and the rest of the fascist media. They would love to have fresh red meat to throw to their Duck Dynasty masses.

By public, we know about McCain and the rest of the baggers. They'd love something to get their voting block voting against Democrats in 2014 for not releasing this now. We know that they would, but we may have to take the licks to save the lives of fellow citizens.

The hyping of this by media may not be timely for any purpose to do good, but to deflect from rightwing failures to address our core concerns. They hope that recycling this seminal event in this century can be used to once inflame the media both conspiracy and mainstream, against Obama, the Democratic Party and minorities.

An example of this from years past:



Wave of Hate Crimes Directed at Muslims Breaks Out

By Heidi Beirich on August 26, 2010

A string of attacks against Muslims and their religious centers has broken out over the past few weeks, apparently inspired by the protests in New York City over the planned Muslim community center and mosque near where the 9/11 attacks took place. Leaders of those protests have repeatedly made hateful statements against Muslims and Islam, with the National Republican Trust Political Action Committee, for example, saying the center is meant “to celebrate [the] murder of 3,000 Americans.”

The apparent resurgence of anti-Muslim hate crimes followed a long decline that began after a major outbreak in the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center (more below).

The most violent of these attacks took place on Tuesday in New York City, when 21-year-old film student Michael Enright allegedly attacked a cab driver. Police said that Enright cursed out the cabby after asking him if he was Muslim and then slashed his throat and stabbed him in several places when he answered in the affirmative. Enright was charged with hate crimes on Wednesday.

In California also on Tuesday, Imam Abdullah Salem arrived at the Madera Islamic Center to find two menacing signs, one of which read, “Wake up America, the enemy is here.” It was the latest in a recent string of attacks on the center, including a brick thrown at the building on Sunday and a sign posted the prior week that read, “No temple for the God of terrorism at Ground Zero...”


http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/08/26/wave-of-hate-crimes-directed-at-muslims-breaks-out/

We've all known about the redacted pages for a decade now. And we can hardly fail to be interested in an act that was used to transform our nation into something worse than it ever was since the Civil War, and bankrupted us and is hurting generations.

So why is this being pushed in the media now, along with calls for more sanctions on Iran? Some for the 'right' and some for the 'left'? Not buying any criticism if it's not released. I'd like to see some of it released, but not as much as I'd like to protect innocent Muslims and POC here.

That's the meaning of 'Forward.' I wish that history was written much differently. We are still in danger from the same people that profited by the BushCo wars of aggression for profit. We can't forget the present.

JMHO.

That's because the whole thing was a black ops false flag operation. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #1
Or the economy. Ellipsis Dec 2013 #2
I believe it is just one huge continuing operation including the economy. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #4
That sounds about right. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #14
zackary wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #32
And they took control of the media so that the people generally have no idea sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #72
No, that's because there are significant numbers of Saudis cheapdate Dec 2013 #5
If the powerful ruling family likes the US so well, Chiyo-chichi Dec 2013 #16
Saudi petroleum reserves are estimated to be around 200 billion barrels. cheapdate Dec 2013 #22
They were directly involved. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #33
If that's what you believe. cheapdate Dec 2013 #37
LIHOP MoonRiver Dec 2013 #39
They had "plausible deniability". Enthusiast Dec 2013 #55
Playing dumb is what they always do. seattledo Dec 2013 #63
You could be right. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #64
One of the most incriminating acts, imo, MoonRiver Dec 2013 #73
I don't remember any specifics. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #77
Able Danger! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #61
and some members of the PNAC IMHO! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #60
Don't forget, for a whole lot of people, the 9/11 attacks were like Christmas in September. Jerry442 Dec 2013 #48
Well I hope they learned... Roy Rolling Dec 2013 #8
... Can't he fooled again! WowSeriously Dec 2013 #28
LOL! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #58
Osama bin Laden took credit for 9-11 on multiple occasions cpwm17 Dec 2013 #9
What if colbertforpresident Dec 2013 #11
That adds an unnecessary level of complexity to 9-11 cpwm17 Dec 2013 #17
of course Bush wasn't behind 9-11 Rumold Dec 2013 #15
"Smirk. Thanks for the cover. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL Bush (R) Berlum Dec 2013 #25
Bush was supposed to play the role of a president caught totally by surprise, but... Jerry442 Dec 2013 #50
bin Laden's having taken credit for 911 is arguable. sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #52
Osama claimed responsibility on video more than once cpwm17 Dec 2013 #53
This tape was aired in 2004, sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #54
In 2001 he barely escaped with his life cpwm17 Dec 2013 #57
...that may or may not be bin laden. There were several bin ladens depicted in tapes like ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #56
I'm not sure what "several bin ladens" you're referring to cpwm17 Dec 2013 #59
Nevertheless, there was contemporary discussion on this board and across the Internet as well ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #62
I'm aware of some discussions about fake videos cpwm17 Dec 2013 #66
of course it "appears to be genuine"... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #68
If your belief system makes all evidence that exists faked as part of the conspiracy cpwm17 Dec 2013 #70
would rather have a criticle belief system.... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #71
You will ALWAYS be in the minority when it comes to this issue. What wildbilln864 said, too. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #69
what you said! n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #31
The Saudi royal family has a 6% stake in Fox news' Newscorp. loudsue Dec 2013 #3
True! Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #6
The Saudis do own a big chunk of Fox News, Inc. (R), and the RepubiSuckers who lap up... Berlum Dec 2013 #47
Republican Heads Will Explode When The Realize They Have Been Duped By Bush And Cheney cantbeserious Dec 2013 #7
No. They'll just parrot the Fox line that is fed to them on how to deny it, or loudsue Dec 2013 #10
Treason colbertforpresident Dec 2013 #12
The Bush Adminisration Neo-Cons Enthusiast Dec 2013 #34
This needs to be declassified now cpwm17 Dec 2013 #13
I'm with you on all that. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #35
DU always knew the connection was there FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #18
It wasn't hard to cover it up Enthusiast Dec 2013 #36
Let me know when they finally reveal the CIA/WH connections to Saudi Arabia---the ultimate domino. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #19
Only see one reason why Obama wouldn't allow this out now... freshwest Dec 2013 #20
What would S.A. get out of it treestar Dec 2013 #21
S.A. got the complete destruction of Saddam Hussein's army. Jerry442 Dec 2013 #49
Give America a Christmas gift: a wee smidgen of truth Berlum Dec 2013 #23
Price of gasoline was $1.00 under President Clinton. Coyotl Dec 2013 #24
Nope. You need not say more. lonestarnot Dec 2013 #26
Fess up Saudi Arabia. Real Americans are getting just slightly pissed off. Lint Head Dec 2013 #27
The number 15 was all you needed to know about the Saudi involvement. WowSeriously Dec 2013 #29
The truth shall set you free! k & r! eom. wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #30
Where are all the usual dis-info agents that always swarm around this issue on DU? Hmmmm? n/t ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #38
All the good dis-info agents are with their families on Christmas! bobduca Dec 2013 #40
Conspicuously absent johnnyreb Dec 2013 #41
More like intentionally avoiding bumping this and the other thread. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #43
James R Bath Octafish Dec 2013 #42
this one conspiracy arely staircase Dec 2013 #44
KNR. DirkGently Dec 2013 #45
Confiscate all of their Wall Street holdings and then shut down Fox "News" when it complains. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #46
Well, he did promise "transparency", though we've seen little of it. If any. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #51
Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their inner cadre cheapdate Dec 2013 #65
. Ellipsis Dec 2013 #67
If the Dancing Israelis... adavid Dec 2013 #74
Inching ever closer to justice for 9/11 victims. raouldukelives Dec 2013 #75
The tin foil is strong in this thread... SidDithers Dec 2013 #76
And your contribution to the discussion is, as usual, weak. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #78
Love the loon... heh. Ellipsis Dec 2013 #80
What a pack of assholes blackspade Dec 2013 #79
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