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NuclearDem

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39. More about Glenn Greenwald and Snowden's characters and methods.

Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:19 PM

Dec 2013

I never said I was a diehard fan of either of them. But how does any of that change the content of what was leaked?

It doesn't. You can argue methods and motivation all you like, but Snowden still did the right thing leaking the information. It should have been unnecessary, but the incompetence of the intelligence and oversight committees as well as the intelligence community's culture of sweeping problems under the rug made it the only viable course of action.

I'm not going to be erecting a statue of Snowden any time soon, and I don't necessarily care for him as a person, but as the person who exposed this overreach, he was right. Which is exactly why the ad hominems and attempts to poison the well are completely irrelevant and only useful for cultists of personality and those who can't separate the person from the action.

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Here Is Edward Snowden's Christmas Message [View all] babsbunny Dec 2013 OP

And very well said! RKP5637 Dec 2013 #1

This is ProSense Dec 2013 #2

Why is it ridiculous? The part that says 'privacy matters' or the part that says children born sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #3

No, ProSense Dec 2013 #4

Not absured at all FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #6

It's absurd. n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #10

"methinks he doth protest too much" niyad Dec 2013 #13

Well that settles it, although a blue link would have sealed the deal. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #38

50 years ago it would have seemed cartoonish and hyperbolic for someone to say sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #7

Are you ProSense Dec 2013 #12

He doesn't need to be prophetic to read the writing on the wall. There are huge profits sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #18

Now ProSense Dec 2013 #23

Your last line, priceless! nt sheshe2 Dec 2013 #71

Perhaps not. Mom and Dad may post to social media about the blessed event... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #99

The only substance you're going to get in response NuclearDem Dec 2013 #15

The Rule of Law: 1. If the facts are against you, argue the law. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #20

+1 burnsei sensei Dec 2013 #36

+2 bvar22 Dec 2013 #88

Well said, ET n/t Aerows Dec 2013 #111

"Substance": ProSense Dec 2013 #29

More about Glenn Greenwald and Snowden's characters and methods. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #39

"I never said I was a diehard fan of either of them..." ProSense Dec 2013 #44

Given the uproar and the administration's own attempts to reign in the NSA NuclearDem Dec 2013 #85

"The ACLU certainly did at least." Here: ProSense Dec 2013 #86

Funny how you use a libertarian Youtube channel to make your point. zeemike Dec 2013 #50

So ProSense Dec 2013 #53

Speaking of checkbooks, OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #57

LOL! ProSense Dec 2013 #58

Greenwald doesn't have the same authority as the POTUS, now does he? OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #63

So ignore the point about Greenwald? n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #65

Journalists get paid to write. OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #67

Got it: It's OK to sell out for money if you're a "journalist." ProSense Dec 2013 #69

Got it: It's OK to protect torturers and criminal telecoms if you're a "Democrat." OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #70

I made no such case. You, however, justified a "journalist" selling out for money. n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #76

If you have displayed any criticism for Obama's actions OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #83

Prosense, your time would be much better spent if you ignored your stalkers. And I'm serious Number23 Dec 2013 #103

Back in days of Joe McCarthy some thought it was important for such nolabels Dec 2013 #21

I have never seen anyone despise a person so much. Wow, do you have a hard time admitting... Logical Dec 2013 #73

Again: ProSense Dec 2013 #81

"WTF? LOL!" And I quote, in it's entirety, the original content from your link. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #8

More gibberish: ProSense Dec 2013 #14

Ignore her... Logical Dec 2013 #74

Words ProSense Dec 2013 #91

LOL, you mean like this one..... Logical Dec 2013 #102

Yes, it is BeyondGeography Dec 2013 #26

Fuck Snowden.. HipChick Dec 2013 #5

He's probably more popular than the Queen around the world. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #9

Is One Expressing Disgust Or Desire cantbeserious Dec 2013 #30

LOL, classic no answer. n-t Logical Dec 2013 #75

With dead Cha Dec 2013 #92

Was he sitting by the fireplace clutching a Taser? gulliver Dec 2013 #11

I wouldn't be surprised if 30 years from now he is sitting by the fire place in the WH giving the sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #17

Talk about ProSense Dec 2013 #25

Cult of personality is definitely what gets presidents elected, don't you think? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #40

So you admit it? ProSense Dec 2013 #54

I stated a fact. It IS a fact, isn't it? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #112

Your loyalty to Snowden is admirable. gulliver Dec 2013 #27

Your Opinion Only - Others Would Disagree cantbeserious Dec 2013 #33

So you want to see him in prison for wrecking your country Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #37

There's no contradiction. gulliver Dec 2013 #56

Do you want to see Bush, who instituted these spying in prison, or just those who exposed the sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #46

Bush can go to hell. gulliver Dec 2013 #55

"Some things are too big for jail." NuclearDem Dec 2013 #96

loyalty to ignorance is pitiable stupidicus Dec 2013 #59

I anticipated this response. gulliver Dec 2013 #72

There's a difference between police powers and economic regulation. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #97

nothing new there stupidicus Dec 2013 #115

Lol, there's that 'tactic' again. I would think that by now the pro sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #113

Actually my position on loyalty is no tactic. gulliver Dec 2013 #114

Whatever it is it could not be more misguided and just plain wrong. It doesn't matter who the sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #117

An excellent message from a True American Patriot. 99Forever Dec 2013 #16

Here is the You tube for those that want to see it. zeemike Dec 2013 #19

It has been blocked from viewing in YouTube RC Dec 2013 #28

LOL! ProSense Dec 2013 #32

Censorship is funny? RC Dec 2013 #60

Who is responsible for this "censorship"? ProSense Dec 2013 #61

It happened because channel 4 wanted to keep control of their precious video. RC Dec 2013 #64

No shit? zeemike Dec 2013 #45

yeah, the content provider blocked it itsrobert Dec 2013 #48

TVs that watch us? Oilwellian Dec 2013 #22

Is your TV watching you? Latest models raise concerns OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #87

That would be a really dick Move. Though I imagine it doesn't Kinect for some yet. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #93

Newer models can nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #94

Edward Snowden is right on. Glad he made this statement. To those snappyturtle Dec 2013 #24

They're not really private if you say them out loud. arcane1 Dec 2013 #35

Nice try. Nobody has claimed mind reading powers. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #41

Nevertheless, that's how "a private moment to themselves" is being interpreted arcane1 Dec 2013 #43

that is not what was meant. There was no argument made regarding mind reading. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #47

They are actually working on the reading minds devices nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #95

Creepy, and impossible. Nothing to lose sleep over. arcane1 Dec 2013 #100

You can tell the Stanford folks that they are engaged in impossible research nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #101

There's a huge chasm between that research and reading memories in court. arcane1 Dec 2013 #105

Unfortunately when they start doing things like this nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #106

You'll have plenty of private moments in private. JaneyVee Dec 2013 #31

Yes sure, just make sure you are in a farraday field, have infrared sheilding, and Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #51

Cell phones use public infrastructure. I'm refering to face time. JaneyVee Dec 2013 #82

you aren't paying attention. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #89

Cell phones do not use public infrastructure. hootinholler Dec 2013 #90

shhh... Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #109

The real question in your scenario is hootinholler Dec 2013 #110

"Full Orwellian" but indisputably true. Nt. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #34

The guy is an fucking dumbass and his message is total bullshit. Scurrilous Dec 2013 #42

Perhaps you could be more convincing if... Oilwellian Dec 2013 #49

lol stupidicus Dec 2013 #62

LOL, like your post? Typical Snowden hater. Nothing but emotion! n-t Logical Dec 2013 #79

Today, we are all Snowdens. nt Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2013 #52

Merry Christmas, Traitor Eddie SoapBox Dec 2013 #66

Ahh, an NSA employee I assume. He kicked the NSAs ass. It was GREAT! n-t Logical Dec 2013 #77

well, as you can see, there was some real and/or percieved hyperbole stupidicus Dec 2013 #68

Someone should make A Venn Diagram bobduca Dec 2013 #78

lol stupidicus Dec 2013 #116

God Bless him for standing up for our freedom Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #80

Snowden gave the world a better gift than any found under a tree. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #84

+100! nt GliderGuider Dec 2013 #98

Channeling Julian Assange who had a widely derided Christmas message last year Number23 Dec 2013 #104

he sounds like a fucking idiot JI7 Dec 2013 #107

Buyer's remorse. randome Dec 2013 #108

"If it really wants to know how we feel asking is always cheaper than spying." yurbud Dec 2013 #118